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post #61 of 4527
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Originally posted by Dr_F
UK supplier AVland now have it on their site. Not sure there's any new info in it.
http://www.avland.co.uk/panasonic/ptae700/pt-ae700.htm

1,399.95 GBP = 2,578.40 USD
United Kingdom Pounds United States Dollars

Is that MSRP?

If not, my apologies for putting something other than MSRP on the site.

reaper
post #62 of 4527
Until we know official MSRP, speculation is fine. All indications are that it will be in our price range, and early word was that it would be close in cost to the existing MSRP for the L500U.
post #63 of 4527
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Originally posted by yipchunyu
based on the web site's info. 14' will project how big an image? both the min and max

Well, from my calculations based on the website info, I get a throw-ratio range of 1.18-1.45 (short-throw, with fairly small zoom-range) So for 14' projector distance, you are looking at image size between 115"-142"... Seems too big to me (not enough lumens to support this size. And your seating distance will have to be accordingly distant.) You probably need a pj with a longer throw ratio. Or find a way to shorten that mounting distance a bit..
post #64 of 4527
Well, I hope it's MSRP. That's a bit high if it's street price. That could set back my purchase another few months. Is avs planning to offer the unit for sale, madpoet? I'd love to buy it from avs at a great price.

reaper
post #65 of 4527
Ask the sales people I just mod here! AVS has traditionally not carried many LCD projectors (despite my pleas to the contrary). Start bugging them if it's something you'd like to see.
post #66 of 4527
If I were in the UK, I would not think this projector is worth £600 more than the Pj-Tx100 unless the contrast really is 2000:1
post #67 of 4527
Ah... but here in the US, this thing will likely be around HALF the price of the Tx-100.... ae700 will almost certainly be worth HALF a tx100.

In fact, if it even comes close to tx100 performance (and it may well SURPASS it for all we know), Hitachi will have a real hard time selling any tx100s here.
post #68 of 4527
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Originally posted by exsodius
Thanks for the translation B.Wilson.

Does hdmi have the same problems with cable length as dvi does?

Looks like panasonic want to be ahead of the z3, because last year panasonic released the 500 first in japan then in america and at last europe. And now AE700 will have WORLD RELEASE at september. Go for it Panasonic!

HDMI is a better standard than DVI. If I could quote the HDMI.ORG Faq:

Does HDMI accommodate long cable lengths?
Yes. HDMI technology has been designed to use standard copper cable construction at long lengths. In order to allow cable manufacturers to improve their products through the use of new technologies, HDMI specifies the required performance of a cable but does not specify a maximum cable length. Cable manufacturers are expected to sell reasonably priced copper cables at lengths of up to 15 meters. As semiconductor technology improves, even longer stretches can be reached with fiber optic cables. Longer cables are available with fiber or amplifiers.


Link to HDMI article here

That would be nice, nice long fibre optic cable runs for your video! If you have DVI connectors that's fine too - there is adaptors available.
post #69 of 4527
Oh no!

Panasonic have remowed all info from the specification links!

Maybe a hacker laid this sites out on panasonic web pages.
Maybe this only was a false alarm?


ae700pdf

ae700spec
post #70 of 4527
I'am pretty sure it gonna be announced at Cebit 2004. Someone just find a link in advance. Someone at Websupport must have seen the bandwidth or someone reported it to them (panasonic forum member) and they shot it down...
post #71 of 4527
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Originally posted by potus
Well, from my calculations based on the website info, I get a throw-ratio range of 1.18-1.45 (short-throw, with fairly small zoom-range) So for 14' projector distance, you are looking at image size between 115"-142"... Seems too big to me (not enough lumens to support this size. And your seating distance will have to be accordingly distant.) You probably need a pj with a longer throw ratio. Or find a way to shorten that mounting distance a bit..

thx for your calculation. I think it's quite similar to the old one. May be I need to find a better way to mount it.
post #72 of 4527
I have an L500. Could somone give me a hint on how to calibrate it? :-) Please?
post #73 of 4527
AE 500 tips and tricks
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=319257
THis forum has an excellent search function :-)
Mike
post #74 of 4527
Wow!
It is very cool to see the release of this new PJ.
I was considering the AE-500 as my next projector. I will be watching the reviews on the new 700 very closely.

Craig
post #75 of 4527
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Originally posted by suffolk112000
Wow!
It is very cool to see the release of this new PJ.
I was considering the AE-500 as my next projector. I will be watching the reviews on the new 700 very closely.

Craig

You're in the same situation then me. I'am planning to buy next year and if the projector really have 1:2000 CR and the same retail price than the AE500 i'll definatly buy this one!
post #76 of 4527
Thank you :-) I have a memory the size of a small pea... I just need some coaching some times.
post #77 of 4527
Quote:


Originally posted by exsodius
Oh no!

Panasonic have remowed all info from the specification links!

Maybe a hacker laid this sites out on panasonic web pages.
Maybe this only was a false alarm?


ae700pdf

ae700spec

Did anyone download the pdf before they pull it? I am wondering how much lens shift can this thing do. I almost put my money down for TX100 but it only can do 1/4 horizontal lens shift. If AE700 can do 1/2 lens shift, it will be big plus for me.
post #78 of 4527
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Originally posted by uranium
Did anyone download the pdf before they pull it? I am wondering how much lens shift can this thing do. I almost put my money down for TX100 but it only can do 1/4 horizontal lens shift. If AE700 can do 1/2 lens shift, it will be big plus for me.

It didn't say anything about that. But i think this links where scams. I read ae500 specs at the same site and it looked like this was copied and edited. With just a few changes. So i think we got fooled by this.

I wont get more exited until cedia is finished, and we get the real stuff.
post #79 of 4527
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Originally posted by uranium
Did anyone download the pdf before they pull it? I am wondering how much lens shift can this thing do. I almost put my money down for TX100 but it only can do 1/4 horizontal lens shift. If AE700 can do 1/2 lens shift, it will be big plus for me.

Here it is.(remember maybe fake)

Highly soluble (prisvärd?) 16:9 panel with 1.280 x of 720 pixels
hp mixing CCIT place
Lense SHIFT function
1,000 ANSI lumens
contrast relationship 2000:1
horizontal +vertikale trapezoid correction

noncommittal price recommendation 1,999.00 EURO

LCD projector
Panasonic brings perfect to cinema atmosphere home! For genuine Kinofeeling in the own four walls the new LCD projector PT-AE700E provides. The newest model of the AE series makes home cinema owing to its equipment characteristics and for one 16:9 LCD chip an unforgettable experience.

The projector is HDTV suited with a resolution of 1280 x 720 pixels and provides owing to new Smooth screen technology, a contrast relationship of 2000:1 as well as a hp mixing CCIT place and a luminous intensity of 850 ANSI lumens for a super sharp and clear picture, which leaves no more desires open. Numerous connection types leave no more desires open. The horizontal and vertical trapezoid correction works against inadvertent distortions. Owing to the Lense SHIFTS function is ensured a increased Einstellungsflexiblitaet without losses of the image quality. So the equipment can be positioned at will in the area. By means of new Design Panasonic creates true schmuckstuecke for each modern living room, which is almost noiseless thanks 27 railways operating noise in the image mode. Heimkinofeeling polyurethane promises the PT-AE700E.

Panasonic PT-AE700
Progressive scan technology compatibility allows for high quality images
HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) Digital Link
Lens Shift Joystick
10bit full digital processing & digital gamma processing
27db Low Fan noise
Powerful images produced by a 16:9 wide LCD panel
Short focal lens lets you enjoy large-screen images across a small room
Brightness of 1000 ANSI lumens, 2000:1 high contrast ratio
Compact and Portable, Simple Configuration
Smooth screen technology
High Resolution panel 1280x720 Pixels
Vertical and Horizontal Keystone adjustment
Full 10 bit Processing & Gamma Correction
1024 shades of gradation (1 billion colours)
Short throw capability 100 inch diagonal at a distance of 3.1m


Specifications for the PTAE700 Projector

Power supply AC: 100 V - 240V, 50 Hz/60Hz
Power Consumption 180W (<1 W on standby)
LCD Panel 0.7" (diagonal) polysilicon TFT Wide LCD Panel (x3 RGB)
Pixels 1280×720
Lens 22 - 26.2mm
Manual zoom
Lamp 130UHM lamp
Brightness: 850 ANSI Lumens
Scanning Frequency for RGB signals fH 30 kHz - 70 kHz, fv 50 Hz - 87 Hz
YPBPR signals 480i/480p/576i/576p/720p/1080i.
Colour system NTSC/NTSC4.43/PAL/PAL-M/PAL-N/SECAM
Projection Size 40" - 200" (16:9 Aspect ratio)
Throw distance 1.2m to 7.4m
Installation Front/Rear/Ceiling/Desk
Video Inputs S-Video: 1xMini DIN 4-pin
Composite Video:1xRCA phono socket
Component Video: RCA phono sockets x 3
RGB Scart
HDMI Input
PC: D-sub HD 15-pin
PTAE700 Dimensions Width 280mm
Height 85mm
Depth 269mm
Weight 2.9Kg
Operating Temperature 0oC - 40oC (32oF - 104oF)
Operating Humidity 20% - 80% (no condensation)
PT-AE700 Supplied Accessories AC cord
AV cable
Remote Control
Lens Cap
post #80 of 4527
Thanks exsodius. I guess I'll wait until Cedia to find out then.
post #81 of 4527
I'm confused with the spec lumens. Why does it say 1,000 ASNI Lumen at one end and then 850 Lumens at another? Well, maybe it doesn't matter... Only the calibrated brightness counts anyway.
post #82 of 4527
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Originally posted by uranium
I'm confused with the spec lumens. Why does it say 1,000 ASNI Lumen at one end and then 850 Lumens at another? Well, maybe it doesn't matter... Only the calibrated brightness counts anyway.

Exactly!

This is one of the reasons i thougt they had only edited the AE500 site
AE500 has 850 ANSI. And i dont think AE700 will have the same.

Wait and see.
post #83 of 4527
Hmmmm...well, if this projector comes out along the same time lines as with every other year, I guess late November we'll see AE700's being imported from Japan or maybe the UK?...in North America late December 04/Jan 05?

It'll be interesting to see how the projector does in reviews etc.
post #84 of 4527
From Epson's release, I think that the only way for Panasonic to get to 2000:1 is to use the AI trick with a huge color temperature. I just don't see anything close to 2000:1 in the new D5 panel (unless CR for an LCD is additive, but that's a different discussion...).

From http://www.epson.co.jp/e/newsroom/news_2004_06_28.htm:
Sample specifications (for 0.7-inch, 720p model)
Code:

Technology           |       D4       |      D5      |
Effective pixels        |        1284 x 724             |
Screen size (diagonal)  |       0.7" (1.8 cm)           | 
Pixel pitch             |       12 µm   |        12 µm  |
Aperture ratio          |       50%     |       60%     | 
Contrast                |       500 : 1 |       750 : 1 |
Note the fill factor increase and the CR increase (is that a 2250 theoretical maximum up from a 1500:1 theoretical maximum?). However, a 50% bump in contrast gets you to around 1300:1 without a filter, but with using the AI feature (~50% increase there) assuming that the D5 panels are even ready for production-level shipment.

Later,
Bill
post #85 of 4527
Which makes me ask how Hitachi and Epson 500's contrast are each able to rival the Panny 500 and Sanyo Z2 while using the same LCD panel. Granted, its not a hugh difference, but its there, and some argue its big enough that it makes the picture quite a bit better.
post #86 of 4527
They don't rival the Z2 and Panny 500, in the Epson's case they stomp it into the ground . The Epson had a calibrated CR of something like 1050:1 in Cinma Back mode. That far outstrips what Panasonic and Sanyo did, and with the same panels.
post #87 of 4527
That's also why I was curious as to whether LCD theoretical contrast was additive across the panels. Yes, the Epson is very close to DLP in its picture, and it blows away any other LCD I've ever demo'ed.

Later,
Bill
post #88 of 4527
"That's also why I was curious as to whether LCD theoretical contrast was additive across the panels."

Oh, I thought you were joking. Every part in the optical path with an affect on CR is contributing to black level, and adding to the black levels always means less CR.
post #89 of 4527
Right. I wasn't going to say exactly how much better they are, as I don't know myself exactly. Point is, both Epson and Hitachi are better, and yet they have the same panels as the Panny and Z2.

I guess when one projector has better contrast, its only a matter of tweaking to get the black level correct. I imagine you can pretty well make the absolute black level of lower contrast ratio PJ close to the higher contrast ratio PJ, but of course, brightness will be reduced and so there you have the deficiency of contrast ratio.

Taking away light only lowers contrast. Black is black and you want all the light you can get in the overall design. Of course, with LCD's, black level is still an issue regardless of contrast ratios. So far the Epson seems to be doing the best. I wonder how the Epson 200 fairs against the Hitachi PJ TX100. One things for sure, I don't think the light modulation is as effective in boosting contrast ratio as overall design is.
post #90 of 4527
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Originally posted by noah katz
Oh, I thought you were joking. Every part in the optical path with an affect on CR is contributing to black level, and adding to the black levels always means less CR.

Noah - This doesn't make sense to me. Black level is set by the light source and then the ability of things in the light path to block that source. Since I'm a pretty simple guy, I see that there are two easy ways of calculating an LCDs theoretical maximum CR: the highest CR of any one component panel or the additive CRs of all of the panels. Until the Epson came along, my understanding was that it was the CR of one panel (the first method). However, I'd be pretty surprised if the iris and filter more than doubled the theoretical CR of the D4 panels in the TW500. Hence my question as real (but still for another topic).

Back on topic, even if CR does work as an additive function, there's still no way for the Panasonic to hit 2000:1 at anything approaching D65.

Later,
Bill
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