OFFICIAL Sony HS50(51) thread - Page 13

I just posted a message on the AE700 thread: it seems the 700 can really do 2000:1 CR with perfect colours and lots of lumens if you use a special colour filter and some professional colour measuring tools. If not, it goes up to 950:1. Since I know a lot of you keep an eye out to the 700 as well I thought I'd mention this. True 2000:1 CR with an LCD pj, these are exciting times

What's so special with this color filter? I gather that during the calibration one of the primaries drops off too early and needs to be compensated, no? Also, achieving 2K:1 is in what lamp mode (low/econo presumably) or measured brightness?

In mode where AE700 can archive 2000:1 CR it has by defualt 45% more blue than needed and 25% less red, so you need filter that can compensate both of them at the same time.
2000:1 was archived in High lamp mode - only in it dynamic iris works.
Ekkehart didnt specified brightness in this preview - we will need to wait for full review on next week.

If you have any more questions - just use Babelfish to translate his AE700 preview on www.cine4home.de =)

I did use Babelfish for translation, but I must of missed where it stated what filter was used. I did read that it used a filter, but not what specific filter.

Can anyone confirm only 1 HDMI input and 0 DVI? Did anyone check it out at CEDIA?

Kinda hard to see, but there is just one HDMI, one vga, no DVI... :-(

Can someone translate the 700 review in english and post to this thread.

I think that information would be more appropriate in the AE700 thread...

If you complain about this technique (not YOU specifically that is used to achieve 6000:1 contrast ratio, you may as well complain about the technique that DLP uses. DLP "fakes" your mind into thinking you are seeing a full color image at once. However, you are seeing red, green, and blue flash by really fast and your mind blends it in together. You are "tricked" into thinking that it's a normal picture. Need I say mo?

If there is a process or procedure that increases PERCEIVED picture quality, I'm all for it, plain and simple. It's like being in the Matrix...if the Matrix TELLS you that the steak is moist and delicious, then it is. If the Matrix tells me that I'm sleeping with Catherine Zeta-Jones, then I am.

Unfortunately, not all brains are the same and for some brains (mine) DLP isn't faking anything as I can see the separations to my detriment. I wonder, though, if I will see the dynamic iris and sense when its doing something. Will it be silky-smooth like Catherine's skin, or will it be coarse and annoying? Only time will tell and hopefully by this time next month I'll know.

From the photo that nilsp posted, it looks like Sony eliminated the "A" input multi cable for the 2nd component/ S video input.
Looks like the "A" input is now the TTL RGB input.

If you can see rainbows on a 6x color wheel (after a week or so of watching), there is a glitch in your Matrix.

Here's a closer shot that I downloaded from somewhere.....possibly early in this thread....

http://www.itmedia.co.jp/lifestyle/a...6/news062.html

TheFerret--if you don't notice the flickering caused by film (e.g. each frame be shown separately for a split second, then I don't see how you would notice the iris. I would suppose there would be times when going from a very bright scene to a very dark one that the eye couldn't make the change as fast as the iris but that's a "catch up" problem for the eye and when it does, you will see more detail in the contrast. You might feel some pain, though if YOU're iris gets a workout in the process--which might be the real problem--maybe some headaches and eye pain similar to those who are deeply annoyed by the flickering wheel and corresponding "rainbow" affect of the DLP. It's always a trade off for those of us outside the bell-shaped curve that all products are designed for.

Bob

This is getting tough....I am torn between the HS51 and the new Panasonic 700! What does the Sony offer (besides the brand name) that the Panasonic doesn't that would warrant a $1000 difference in price. Will the Sony be THAT much better? I don't mind paying the difference if the Sony is truly a superior projector...

-Alex-

It would appear that the Sony offers a lens shift without the serious limitations of the Panasonic AE700 lens shift.

I think the biggest advantage for the Sony will be the black levels (CR). We'll see. And whether that will be worth the price difference is really up to each person. Many people have paid much more than $1000 mostly for higher CR.

--Darin

i've also never had a problem with vertical banding on my hs10 (with sony panels), while many panasonic users have complained about this (using epson's).

SONY Japan officially announced SONY VPL-HS50 on Oct 07.

Model name: SONY VPL-HS50
Release date in Japan : Dec 01
MSRP: N.A. (but they hope 350,000 Yen)


All of following sites is written in Japanese language.

SONY Japan website: http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer...S50/index.html
specification: http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer...HS50/spec.html
front : http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...7/sony1_02.jpg
rear : http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...7/sony1_03.jpg
advanced Iris device: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...7/sony1_06.jpg
etc: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...41007/sony.htm

FINALLY! Official info from Japan! Thanks S. Kaneda!

So if the official release date in Japan is December 1st, what would that put the US release date? Later...sooner?
-Alex-

I thought it was going to have an ethernet connection. This picture does not show onw. What is the trigger connection for?

Someone suggested the HS50 doesn't have the Ethernet port while the HS51 does have it. I could be mistaken as I am following three different projector products at the moment.

I thought I read that the trigger connection is used to control an electric screen.

I tried to tell people it wouldn't be out for awhile after CEDIA.... It was obvious from talking to the Sony folk.

If you look at larger pics of the rear you will see the 'Input A' is still there.

JJay,
Yes it is "A" input, but is for a 15 pin RGB computer input, not a multi cable.
Al

This is true, unfortunately.

My concerns are:

1) If the IRIS takes 12ms to open up ... its going to have to do so while and existing picture is being displayed. If a 50hz signal takes 20ms is, they will either have to dim the displayed picture temporarily (and get 1 darker frame) as the iris opens, or reduce the picture brightness after the iris has opened fully (in which case you'll get 1 brighter frame displayed). Or am I missing something?

2) How long do we think a Mechanical Iris that is opening and closing all the time will last for before the bearings cease to exist?

Question:

3) What use is an enternet port? (Sorry ... I'm European!). Can we send HDMI data over ethernet/cat5? Or is this so that the US government can see what your watching over the internet and send subliminal frames from QTV into our living rooms? ;-)

Antony.

Antony,

3) It is for control purposes only. As in you controlling the projector e.g through an HTPC, not the government controlling you.. ;-)