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post #451 of 5686
The HS10 (and HS20) also have 1080p/24sf support, but I don't know of anyone that's tried it out.
post #452 of 5686
Is optical lense shift a 'freebie' in that it doesnt cost anything in IQ? I know digital keystoning is usually frowned upon since you are altering the image to display correctly at odd angles.
post #453 of 5686
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Originally posted by John Alison
Preset signals don't bode well for HTPC users wanting to Powestrip 1280x720 @48 Hz or 50 Hz.

It appears that HTPC users can do 1:1 mapping with my above mentioned preset, but it will be at 59.855HZ. If you really want to do 48Hz from HTPC then you'll need a video card capable of doing 1920x1080 interlaced with custom timings at 48.00Hz , use preset 9 (1080p24sf), and feed the input via the HDMI connector.

I don't quite get it though. I understand that the theory is you want 48Hz because it's a multiple of the film rate of 24fps. But, if film runs at 24fps and film transfered to video runs at 23.976fps (like DVD's for HT) then you'd really want the computer set at 47.952Hz or 71.928Hz for perfect temporal mapping right? So, we're out of luck because most projectors won't do that hz rate. Also, does'nt the lcd panel run at it's own set rate? So, no matter what rate you feed the projector it will convert to it's internal rate of 60hz or whatever it is?
post #454 of 5686
Thanks for the link to the manual. I have been interested in the ethernet port and what one might do with it. It looks like it's on the front of the machine (the 51) and no mention of function in the manual at all! I guess from those two facts it's a vestigial device, rather than a functional one - so why did the engineers sign off on the cost of it??
post #455 of 5686
Sanyo seem to be pushing the Z3 out a tad quickly. Hmmm...desperation?
post #456 of 5686
Caught with their pants down. Besides, what are they doing in terms of DI or increasing CR?
post #457 of 5686
According to the manual, the Image Director software will only be available for the HS51 and not the HS50.
post #458 of 5686
Hmmmm... Just read the manual. We knew that there would be no Ethernet fos us Europeans, but no USB? Why Sony, why? No Image Director software for us, no Gamma adjustment using a PC. WHY?

Also, can't HDMI be used for computer input? From the table at page 56-57, it seems only 640x480 is supported through HDMI... Surely, I must have misunderstood? Since they removed DVI, we can just use a convertor plug, right?
post #459 of 5686
Hi all,
Was able to download the manual.
The input "A" can be configured to be a computer input, or a 2nd component input. Which is very good news for me. Will have my dealer contact the Sony rep and order the cable for the component input configuration. Must be something like the "multi cable" that the HS20 had for the input "A" connector.
My dealer said that they talked to the Sony rep, and they still expect to ship by the end of the month. We will see. Will be happy if I get it by xmas.
Al
post #460 of 5686
Do we know if the panel runs @ a fixed 60Hz or so? Regardless of input frequency?
post #461 of 5686
EHUFF- have a look at ReClock threads and find out about the world of syncing one's PC to an exact multiple of the native frame rate. This is why fixed rate PJs suck.

60 Hz sucks big time for film based frame rates. The US is just used to the wind. Sadly, I want 720p at the required frame rate multiples on analogue RGBHV.
post #462 of 5686
"Is optical lense shift a 'freebie' in that it doesnt cost anything in IQ? I know digital keystoning is usually frowned upon since you are altering the image to display correctly at odd angles."

I have the same question. I think he meant to say picture quality. If I can have the same PQ by mounting dead center but 12 inches off ceiling versus 26 inches off the ceiling I would rather go 12 inches. (I have 10 foot ceilings and plan screen top at almost 8 feet)

Thanks

Jim
post #463 of 5686
Sony obviously still does not have separate input buttons for each input type on the remote, although it was requested since the HS10. Changing the input channel with the HS10 is really painful ... well, maybe they saved that one for the HS60 ...

Added:
It seems that there is no horizontal keystone any more (?). And the lens shift is not exactly as flexible as the old keystone correction in terms of horizontal mis-alignment. Of course, lens shift is a great improvement but as I'd have to put the pj for "extreme side projection" as I currently have to do with the HS10 this is a problem for me. Seems like I cannot place the HS51 at the same location. Bummer.
post #464 of 5686
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Originally posted by easypeacy42
Sony obviously still does not have separate input buttons for each input type on the remote, although it was requested since the HS10. Changing the input channel with the HS10 is really painful ... well, maybe they saved that one for the HS60 ...

If this function is built in electronically, perhaps you could get one of those Sony universal controllers to do that. Could explain one reason why they're selling them.

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It seems that there is no horizontal keystone any more (?). And the lens shift is not exactly as flexible as the old keystone correction in terms of horizontal mis-alignment. Of course, lens shift is a great improvement but as I'd have to put the pj for "extreme side projection" as I currently have to do with the HS10 this is a problem for me. Seems like I cannot place the HS51 at the same location. Bummer.

That's not a problem. The manual clearly states that you could move the screen (using the lens shift feature) horizontally '50%' of screen width & '100%' screen height. According to page 19 of the manual, if you've got a 120" screen, you could move the screen horizontally, up to a maximum of, 52 3/8". That's more than 4 feet left or right relative to the middle of the lens. I think that's absolutely amazing! And you still retain 100% PQ. Try not to use keystoning if at all possible due to loss of PQ. Move furnitures if you have to.

I absolutely love lens shift. Especially the '100% screen height' vertical lens shift the Sony has. They're basically saving me $200 on a ceiling mount plus the hassle of getting it installed. I think that's worth paying a little more for, don't you think?
post #465 of 5686
I have all my cables and equipment installed for my first theater and I'm waiting for my HS51 and have decided to go with a 110" FIREHAWK screen. Three different people at Stewart recommended this (I have no ambient light issues in my theater).

I've been reading through the SONY HS51 manual and think I may have undersized my screen. My overall room depth is 230 1/4". From that I subtracted 15 1/4 (front hole of mounting bracket of the installed PSS 610 suspension support to rear wall) and an additional 1" (front wall to face of screen). My 'a' dimension came out to 214". If I've done this right the maximum 'a' distance for a 110" screen is 201 1/2". If I haven't screwed up or missed some basic concept it appears I may have to go to a larger screen.

Have I messed up some basic concept? What size should I order? Can anyone help me determine the right screen size to order for HDTV.

Thanks
post #466 of 5686
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Originally posted by tylerdgr8
I have all my cables and equipment installed for my first theater and I'm waiting for my HS51 and have decided to go with a 110" FIREHAWK screen. Three different people at Stewart recommended this (I have no ambient light issues in my theater).

I've been reading through the SONY HS51 manual and think I may have undersized my screen. My overall room depth is 230 1/4". From that I subtracted 15 1/4 (front hole of mounting bracket of the installed PSS 610 suspension support to rear wall) and an additional 1" (front wall to face of screen). My 'a' dimension came out to 214". If I've done this right the maximum 'a' distance for a 110" screen is 201 1/2". If I haven't screwed up or missed some basic concept it appears I may have to go to a larger screen.

Have I messed up some basic concept? What size should I order? Can anyone help me determine the right screen size to order for HDTV.

Thanks

Standard Lens Throwing Distance: 40" - 1.2m-1.8m; 60" - 1.8m-2.7m; 80" - 2.4m-3.7m; 100" - 2.9m-4.6m; 120" - 3.5m-5.5m; 150" 4.4m-6.9m; 180" - 5.3m-8.3m; 200" - 5.8m-9.2m


You're correct (unfortunately). The maximum distance for a 110" screen is 196.85" (16.4'). At your distance of 214" (17.8'), you'll need to project at least a 120" screen. I'm planning on a 126" from about the same distance (18').




Stew
post #467 of 5686
Well, just called the SonyStyle.Ca reps in regards to availability of the HS51 in Canada. A side note, when calling a call centre it's a hit & miss as always in terms of whether you get someone informed or not. But basically the guy I talked to, with a foreign accent, said he doesn't see it in their system, so it's not available here in Canada. And went on rambling about some products aren't available here and vice versa. Uh...yeah...right. I should have directed him to the HS51 manual, which clearly states on page 3 "For the customers in Canada" in regards to complying with some code only the government knows why.

Anyway, I'm not going to blaming Sony or the guy, it's just the way call centre works these days. So no info there.

I called my Sony rep, and he said their warehouse doesn't have any, and it's not currently in their computer systems yet. No pre-order. But may need to check back in 2-3 weeks. Well, at least he didn't deny it being availabe for purchse here. If anyone finds out when the ETA for Canada is please post here, thanks. I'll give you guys an update for those interested Canadians.
post #468 of 5686
Nothing to add today, just couldn't let this thread move off of the first page.





Stew
post #469 of 5686
When o when will the Sony's be out.
post #470 of 5686
Distributer I talked to seemed to think the end of the month. Take it for what it's worth.
post #471 of 5686
Quote:


Originally posted by TheFerret
When o when will the Sony's be out.


O when o when will they be.





Stew
post #472 of 5686
Quote:


Originally posted by Souki
That's not a problem. The manual clearly states that you could move the screen (using the lens shift feature) horizontally '50%' of screen width & '100%' screen height. According to page 19 of the manual, if you've got a 120" screen, you could move the screen horizontally, up to a maximum of, 52 3/8". That's more than 4 feet left or right relative to the middle of the lens. I think that's absolutely amazing! And you still retain 100% PQ. Try not to use keystoning if at all possible due to loss of PQ. Move furnitures if you have to.
I absolutely love lens shift. Especially the '100% screen height' vertical lens shift the Sony has. They're basically saving me $200 on a ceiling mount plus the hassle of getting it installed. I think that's worth paying a little more for, don't you think?

I completely agree, lens shift is great. But still in my case it IS a problem. Currently I have the HS10 about 1.5 feet left from the left edge of the screen (!). This is possible by using more or less max. keystone correction.

With the max. lens shift of HS51 I cannot come near where I have to be with my setup. Yes, of course "move furniture if you can" ... but I can't, unfortunately. And, yes, everybody says "oh my god, don't use that much keystone correction, you loose PQ like hell" ... but first of all I really do not have any other possibility and second, I can tell you that, believe it or not, there is no visible PQ loss for normal DVD viewing (no HDTV thingies in Europe anyway ...). Of course there is PQ loss, you loose lots of pixels, brightness, etc. but I was surprised myself when I realized that for simple DVD viewing there's no noticable impact.
post #473 of 5686
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Originally posted by TheFerret
When o when will the Sony's be out.

i saw one site said 29 Oct, and sony's site says on or about 31 Oct. the question i want to know is when will i find out how many are alloted to the different places cause i have 2 on pre-order. both said the sony will be allocated for some time, and i'm 3rd on the pre-order list one place for $XXXX, and 8th on the list at another place that is $300 cheaper than the first. if i can't get in on the first shipment on one, i'm going with the other, even if it is more money.

eric
post #474 of 5686
Are you buying two, or just covering your bases?
post #475 of 5686
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Originally posted by ericeash
if i can't get in on the first shipment on one, i'm going with the other, even if it is more money.


That's also what I'm doing with my three pre-orders.




Stew
post #476 of 5686
Quote:
Originally posted by TheFerret
Are you buying two, or just covering your bases?

well, i actually planned to cancel the more expensive one, but after i made the pre-order for the cheaper one and was then told i was 8th on the list i decided to keep them both until they each let me know how many they will be alloted on the first run. i've been without a projector since a month before cedia when i decided to buy an HS20. then i decided to wait til cedia just to see, and then i changed my mind and went with the HS51. the wait is killing me, so i want one of the first runs. so now i'm covering my bases.

eric
post #477 of 5686
oh yeah, did i mention i'm upgrading from an 800 x 600, 4:3 LCD from hitachi that had a manufactuer contrast rating of 200:1, so i'm a little anxious.
post #478 of 5686
Eric, that's pretty funny. Are you going to have this present gift-wrapped?
post #479 of 5686
Question about the projector lens ring. Does anyone know if its threaded, and in either case (threaded or not) what the diameter is?
post #480 of 5686
I received 4 Emails today:

1. Your Pioneer Elite 56txi receiver and 56avi DVD player have shipped.
2. Your Carada 126" BW screen has shipped
3. Your Axiom speakers have shipped (QS8's, QS4's, M22ti's, VP150).
4. Just a reminder, I have your Coaster HT seats on hand. Just let me know when you want them delivered.

I got my sub (SVS PB2-ISD) two weeks ago. I painted the room today and just have to put up fabric, carpet and trim.

I'M WAITING ON ONE MORE EMAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!




Stew
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