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post #5311 of 5686
Well my bulb went super dim and then popped at the 1072 hour mark. Sucks that the bulb died so fast--I guess I was just used to my old HS10. My HS10 bulbs (2) each went close to 3000 hours and never failed--they did dim but are still useable whereas my HS51 bulb got very dim and then popped. Hopefully the next bulb will be better and will get me to my next pj--anyone have better luck with the replacement bulb?
post #5312 of 5686
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Originally Posted by JJay View Post

Hopefully the next bulb will be better and will get me to my next pj--anyone have better luck with the replacement bulb?

Based on one of my clients getting only a few hundred hours out of his Qualia 006 original bulb and the posts of others on the forums about short lives of original bulbs, I think that the original bulbs might have shorter lives because they are shipped as part of the projector and receive higher inertia changes during shipping. The replacement bulbs weigh almost nothing and come shipped separately and so get a much softer ride. That's the only idea I can come up with as to why the originals go fast and the replacements seem to last longer. It would also be interesting to see if there is any correlation between shipping distance and bulb life. In my case I am 2 UPS days from the Sony warehouse and so my unit received a lower amount fo shipping jarring.
Bouncing along in a UPS truck for 6 days vs. 1 or 2 days might be the difference between 500 hours and 1500 hours. If there was a correlation it might incentivize the makers to ship the bulbs separately with new PJs to keep the customer complaints down.

That is if my hypothesis that it is the normal shipping jarring that is shortening the life of the originals is valid.

I have my projector housed in an Ikea coffee table and run an auxilary fan that keeps the PJ much cooler than if it just sitting out on a table. I'm hoping a longer bulb life will help pay for the table.

I will try and get the install shots I took online this week.

M./
post #5313 of 5686
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Originally Posted by wyattsdad View Post

I think that the original bulbs might have shorter lives because they are shipped as part of the projector and receive higher inertia changes during shipping. The replacement bulbs weigh almost nothing and come shipped separately and so get a much softer ride.

M./

This was my thought as well...

My first bulb lasted 822 hours, second has only been in for a couple of weeks so I won't know its life for some time.

Sony reimbursed me 1/2 the price of my replacement bulb -- they would have replaced the bulb if I had shipped the projector back to them. Obviously shipping the projector 2-ways again is a stupid alternative on a variety of levels.

I keep a spare bulb on hand.... If I don't need it, whoever buys my used projector some day will get a fresh bulb!

Happy televiewing!

HS
post #5314 of 5686
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Originally Posted by JediMaster109 View Post

Here is what I have noticed so far with the HS-51 and the HD-A1. I originally tested the HD DVD player through VGA. DVI to VGA converter and 720p output from the player. Image was not even close to my Oppo and a SD DVD. Image was terrible!!! Hooked up via HDMI and set to 720p... "So no 1 to 1 pixel mapping... Big freaking deal..." Not much better grrr. Next set it to 1080i... OMFG!!! Thought I was watching it through the Hubble space telescope! hahaha. Image was amazing. So it must be the scalers on the inside of the player. Wouldn't you want to output the most pixels and let your display decide what to do with them? Just a thought!

Some people complain about it not being a lot better than OTA HDTV... One word to ponder on, 1080i is 1080i no matter witch way you look at it. The higher bit rate just eliminates the pixelization that you get when a scene is moving. I will say that it does look smother than OTA HD though! Tested Serenity and WOW, looks good. Can't wait for Apollo 13 next week!

Another thing to consider is how well the studios scan in there film to HD... if they do a crappy job than it is not going to look good no matter what format it is on.

BTW, all the content is 1080p, it just doesn't output 1080p.

One question for the Forum, what are your settings for Contrast and brightness for the HS-51?

Audio DAC's are awesome, I have it hooked up analog.

SD DVD upscale is a lot better than the Oppo, surprise there...

All in all a really good player, except for the fact of no good 720p support.
Hope this helps everyone out there...


Apperently no one cares about the HD-A1 with the HS51... Oh well. I like mine.
post #5315 of 5686
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Originally Posted by wyattsdad View Post

That is if my hypothesis that it is the normal shipping jarring that is shortening the life of the originals is valid.

Sounds like a good theory to me...

My bulb just died at ~900 hours. Dimmed severely at around 890 and then popped. Seemed to me like it went from 100% - 90% pretty quickly (in the first month or so). And then went 90% - 5% at the end and pop. No gradual dimming effect here...

Had the pj 4 months when it popped. My theory to this point was that I didn't run the fan in high altitude mode. I live in CO (~5000ft). Initially I did. But then the fan noise started getting to me. I figured if there was a problem running it on low, I'd run into some sort of overheating. Never did so I assumed it was OK.

Think I'm gonna leave it on high for the next bulb...
post #5316 of 5686
Hey Everyone,

I am in Colorado, and one of our big box retailers has the cineza hs51a for 2000 with a warrant thay covers 2 bulbs over the next few years. I would be coming from a 42inch WEGA as my primary set, and I was curious if I should have a secondary set for viewing, or if I use it as my primary display for movies, gaming, and hd television that I will eat up my hours..Any Thoughts?

Thanks.
post #5317 of 5686
Greetings,

My original lamp is currently in my projector. I bought a replacement lamp back in November and installed it in the unit. The original lamp had 704 hours on it and was working just fine. I like to have a spare lamp and intended to keep the original as a back up.

The replacement worked fine up until around the last week in March. All of a sudden the lamp dimmed severely and became unwatchable. The lamp had just over 350 hours on it at the time. Rather than wait for it to pop I removed it and put the original back in. All returned to normal. The original lamp now has 764 hours on it and is still functioning very well.

I contacted Sony and a replacement lamp was ordered under warranty and should be shipped to me by weeks end. They were on back order until this week.

This is a circumstance that may shoot the theory regarding the original lamps in the foot somewhat.

So far Sony Customer support has been extremely helpful. I will post back upon receiving the replacement lamp to conclude the total experience.

Regards,
post #5318 of 5686
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Originally Posted by repdetect2 View Post

I am in Colorado, and one of our big box retailers has the cineza hs51a for 2000 with a warrant thay covers 2 bulbs over the next few years. I would be coming from a 42inch WEGA as my primary set, and I was curious if I should have a secondary set for viewing, or if I use it as my primary display for movies, gaming, and hd television that I will eat up my hours..Any Thoughts?

Using the pj as our primary display is how I got to ~900 hours in ~4 months. We're reconsidering our usage pattern. Well, my wife is at least. Will probably try to limit it to nighttime viewing only. During our first 4 months, the pj was often on for 10 hours a day. Now that she realizes how much bulb replacements cost (though our first 2 are going to be replaced under warranty), I think she will remember to turn the TV off during the day.

Anyway, dunno if that helps answer your question. Guess it all depends how sensitive you are to the replacement costs and how you want to use it. In my mind, limiting the usage to nighttime family viewing hours and weekends makes sense. Using it all day long for the kids' cartoons does not. We will be banishing the kids to a br TV during the day or better yet, outside to run around.
post #5319 of 5686
Greetings,

I average 100 hours a month on my HS51. It is used primarily for family viewing in the evenings ( TV mostly ) and for movies. I fire it up twice a day and every now and then three times a day.

Regards,
post #5320 of 5686
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Originally Posted by placidman View Post

Greetings,

I average 100 hours a month on my HS51. It is used primarily for family viewing in the evenings ( TV mostly ) and for movies. I fire it up twice a day and every now and then three times a day.

Regards,


I too average about 100 hours a month on my HS51... my first bulb failed at 822 hours and I wondered about the shaking-while-being-shipped possibility, plus I used to sometimes turn the projector on several times a day for very short periods of time to program the TiVo.... I've often wondered if the turning the pj on and off -- running it for short periods -- shortened bulb life. With new bulb I only turn pj on when I intend to watch it for an extended period. (Sort of like not driving a car for 2-3 mile trips -- always allowing it to warm up completely for at least 30 min.)

Just a thought.

HS
post #5321 of 5686
Thanks Derek, definitely helps out. I need to factor that in. I think I would be using the projector quite a bit as a primary display. The cost of replacement bulbs at $300 dollars a piece might either cause me to rethink this or setup a secondary display for viewing.
post #5322 of 5686
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Originally Posted by derek_lukasik View Post

Using the pj as our primary display is how I got to ~900 hours in ~4 months. We're reconsidering our usage pattern. Well, my wife is at least. Will probably try to limit it to nighttime viewing only. During our first 4 months, the pj was often on for 10 hours a day. Now that she realizes how much bulb replacements cost (though our first 2 are going to be replaced under warranty), I think she will remember to turn the TV off during the day.

Anyway, dunno if that helps answer your question. Guess it all depends how sensitive you are to the replacement costs and how you want to use it. In my mind, limiting the usage to nighttime family viewing hours and weekends makes sense. Using it all day long for the kids' cartoons does not. We will be banishing the kids to a br TV during the day or better yet, outside to run around.

I used my HS50 as my primary display for the 1st 9 months and racked up about 1500 Hours - I then bought a Plasma for day to day TV viewing and only use the HS50 for big sporting events and movies at night time. As a result I now have about 1700 hours on it - or less than 300 hours in 6 months (still on my first globe too!).

I recomend NOT using your PJ as your primary display just from the "having to live in a dark cave" aspect alone.
post #5323 of 5686
Thanks as well Djos. I might have been looking at the implementation of a projector all wrong. If I can configure things so that I have a second viewing area for movies and sporting events, then the projector makes total sense and I would keep the hours down. If I can't, it might be better to stay with the 42inch for the time being.
post #5324 of 5686
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Originally Posted by SFNSXguy View Post

I too average about 100 hours a month on my HS51... my first bulb failed at 822 hours and I wondered about the shaking-while-being-shipped possibility, plus I used to sometimes turn the projector on several times a day for very short periods of time to program the TiVo.... I've often wondered if the turning the pj on and off -- running it for short periods -- shortened bulb life. With new bulb I only turn pj on when I intend to watch it for an extended period. (Sort of like not driving a car for 2-3 mile trips -- always allowing it to warm up completely for at least 30 min.)

Just a thought.

HS

Greetings,

HS, thanks for the input. Actually I never power the unit up for anything less than 1 hour. I have a 14 inch CRT monitor that I use for cueing my HD DVR and for viewing the menu system on my pre/pro etc. My projector is used in the morning for 1 to 1.5 hours and then in the evening from 1 to 3 hours. Every now and then it may be used mid day for an hour or so.

Regards,
post #5325 of 5686
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Originally Posted by repdetect2 View Post

Thanks as well Djos. I might have been looking at the implementation of a projector all wrong. If I can configure things so that I have a second viewing area for movies and sporting events, then the projector makes total sense and I would keep the hours down. If I can't, it might be better to stay with the 42inch for the time being.


No Worries, here is how I setup my 1 and only living-room so I could have the best of both worlds:

NEC 42VM5W 42" SD Plasma Mounted on my display wall
Sony Cineza HS50 HD Projector & Equipment behind the main seating in the corner (Equipment shown isn't current as I have just upgraded to a Denon 2910 DVD/SACD & Yamaha RX-V2600 AVR.
Birk 92" Motorised Screen shown in the down position.
post #5326 of 5686
To bring up and old topic - what's the current status of the hs50 with hdmi. I live in the UK and 720p HD is just being released here. I want to drive the PJ over hdmi (I use vga at the moment), but I want 1-1 mapping. My dealer told me that 1-1 mapping is only possible over hdmi using a connection with hdcp - sounds dodgy to me, but has anyone tried it?

Thanks,

SB
post #5327 of 5686
I sent my projector in to Sony service for bulb failure after 370 hours. They turned it around in only a few days -- faster than the 10 days quoted. It also seems to work ok and the unit wasn't scratched or damaged. On the negative side -- although it was returned in my original box, the inside padding was different and didn't seem to hold the projector in place that firmly (if there is any truth to the shipping theory on bulbs, this one won't last long either because it probably got bounced more than typical because of the loose packing). Overall Sony service was fast and generally helpful (although I remain upset about needing to replace the bulb after 370 hours).

The projector was returned with fan set to high altitude mode (it wasn't set before and I don't live in high altitude area), I'll leave that in place and hope it helps bulb life going forward.
post #5328 of 5686
My video settings were reset during the bulb replacement at the service center. I've seen a lot of tweaked settings posted, but I would rather not make any service menu changes -- does anybody have recommended settings with the service menu set to default? The projector is used in light controlled room with 106" Da-lite screen.
post #5329 of 5686
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Originally Posted by djos View Post

No Worries, here is how I setup my 1 and only living-room so I could have the best of both worlds:

NEC 42VM5W 42" SD Plasma Mounted on my display wall
Sony Cineza HS50 HD Projector & Equipment behind the main seating in the corner (Equipment shown isn't current as I have just upgraded to a Denon 2910 DVD/SACD & Yamaha RX-V2600 AVR.
Birk 92" Motorised Screen shown in the down position.

Thats actually a very good idea, and I love your layout. I am still new at this, but I was curious about your wiring setup. Everything looks super clean. Was this room built around the theater, or did you retro fit it? Would love to talk to you about doing something similar in my place....
post #5330 of 5686
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Originally Posted by repdetect2 View Post

Thats actually a very good idea, and I love your layout. I am still new at this, but I was curious about your wiring setup. Everything looks super clean. Was this room built around the theater, or did you retro fit it? Would love to talk to you about doing something similar in my place....

Thanks for the compliment's

I've replied to your PM - to see the construction phase check out this thread: I hate my apartment... any advice for small spaces?

In answer to your question the Town-House was 2 years old when I bought it and everything you see including the plaster work was retro-fitted.
post #5331 of 5686
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Originally Posted by pjp View Post

My video settings were reset during the bulb replacement at the service center. I've seen a lot of tweaked settings posted, but I would rather not make any service menu changes -- does anybody have recommended settings with the service menu set to default? The projector is used in light controlled room with 106" Da-lite screen.


Most folks have been happy with adjusting User 1 to:
Contrast 78
Brightness 55
Color 44
Hue 51
Sharpness 0
Black level OFF
Gamma OFF
Color temp LOW
DDE Film
Advanced iris AUTO
Lamp Cpntrol LOW
RCP OFF

Hope this helps.

HS
post #5332 of 5686
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Originally Posted by SFNSXguy View Post

Most folks have been happy with adjusting User 1 to:
Contrast 78
Brightness 55
Color 44
Hue 51
Sharpness 0
Black level OFF
Gamma OFF
Color temp LOW
DDE Film
Advanced iris AUTO
Lamp Cpntrol LOW
RCP OFF

Hope this helps.

HS

Thanks -- will give it a try tomorrow
post #5333 of 5686
Is there a known solution to the red shift across the screen? It has recently started on my hs51 and it is really starting to annoy me. I have had the pj for 10 months, 950 hours. I tried byte's suggestion of setting 04 DE/UF SW = 0 and it didn't help. Can I have someone come calibrate the gamma to fix this or should I look into taking it in for service? I bought it at Frys and I got the service contract because I have had some TV's need reparing in the past and found the service agreement comes in handy. I am not sure I trust Frys to fix it, but if they give a replacement I would be fine with it
post #5334 of 5686
Atleast with the 51 you can go into the gamma shading service menu and work your way through the 11 luminance ranges.

You could also do as I did when my 51 began to have serious red/blue bias error, and contact Sony for a service visit. My projector began to exhibit extreme red/blue errors very quickly. Sony ended up replacing the projector prism block, which is basically all of the image elements between the lamp and the lens. The repair solved my problem.

Although I did find the 04 DE/UF SW = 0 tweak did make the over all screen white balance even better. I was never able to try the tweak on the 51 before the repair, and the tweak does not work as well on the 51A.

Good luck and feel free to ask for help if you decide to conatct Sony and they give you any trouble.
post #5335 of 5686
I reported on my red shift above, it has been happening for about 2 weeks. I first noticed it on 24 when they do the countdown. The numbers went from orange to yellow. The filter message hadn't come up, but I looked at it and it was pretty dirty so I changed it. Then my wife and I watched Batman Begins, I didn't notice any red shift, then we watched 24 and it was gone! The PJ is also a lot quieter now. I had also noticed an increase in noise lately. I assume the dirty filter was restricting airflow, which was causing uneven heating of the lcd panels or the optics, or something else. I think I will start changing the air filter every 500 hours.

Kevin
post #5336 of 5686
Greetings,

For those who read this thread on a regular basis you may be familar with my problem with a spare lamp for my HS51.

For those who may not I will restate the problem. I bought my HS51 in April of '05. In November I purchased a spare lamp for use as a backup. My original lamp had 704 hours on it and was performing fine. Upon receiving the spare lamp I immediately installed it in the projector and to ensure that there were no premature failures which would be covered by the 90 day warranty.

The lamp was fine until the last week in March when it dimmed severely and got to the point where it was unwatchable. I removed it and reinstalled the original and things were back to normal. The backup had just under 500 hours on it when it failed.

The first week in April I contacted Sony customer service regarding the lamps premature failure. I felt that even though the lamp was a month out of warranty that this was unacceptable. After being routed through several levels and getting no where I finally got the right person.

After faxing a copy of my receipt for the lamp I was advised that it would be replaced under warranty. The lamps were on back order and were not due until the end of April.

I was advised yesterday that the lamp shipped to my home address and was provided with a UPS tracking number. The lamp is due to arrive on Thursday.

I just wanted to post in this thread to advise that I have been very satisfied with Sony's customer service. This is the second Sony product that I have owned that required dealing with their customer service ( I owned the HS10 as well and it needed a service visit to Laredo ) and in both instances I was treated fairly.

I will post back upon receiving the lamp and having installed it in my HS51.


Thanks for listening.


Regards,
post #5337 of 5686
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Originally Posted by kroberts1972 View Post

I assume the dirty filter was restricting airflow, which was causing uneven heating of the lcd panels or the optics, or something else. I think I will start changing the air filter every 500 hours.

Kevin

My recommendation would be to vacuum the filter clean of dust and then back blow with compressed air every 50 hours or so depending on dust levels, especially of you run the fan on high altitude.
post #5338 of 5686
Quote:


My recommendation would be to vacuum the filter clean of dust and then back blow with compressed air every 50 hours or so depending on dust levels, especially of you run the fan on high altitude.

That sounds like a great idea hawkeye3.1. I will start doing that.
Thanks,
Kevin
post #5339 of 5686
To put this lamp thing into pespective let's look at the true cost assuming only 900 hrs of usage and $300 replacement cost. 900/300 = $.33/hr or $33/mo assuming 100hrs a month usage. Here's one more at $1/day. I am not going to sweat that. I am at 800 hrs going strong....cross fingerslooking for that $250 bulb I used to see around.
post #5340 of 5686
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Originally Posted by placidman View Post

Greetings,

For those who read this thread on a regular basis you may be familar with my problem with a spare lamp for my HS51.

For those who may not I will restate the problem. I bought my HS51 in April of '05. In November I purchased a spare lamp for use as a backup. My original lamp had 704 hours on it and was performing fine. Upon receiving the spare lamp I immediately installed it in the projector and to ensure that there were no premature failures which would be covered by the 90 day warranty.

The lamp was fine until the last week in March when it dimmed severely and got to the point where it was unwatchable. I removed it and reinstalled the original and things were back to normal. The backup had just under 500 hours on it when it failed.

The first week in April I contacted Sony customer service regarding the lamps premature failure. I felt that even though the lamp was a month out of warranty that this was unacceptable. After being routed through several levels and getting no where I finally got the right person.

After faxing a copy of my receipt for the lamp I was advised that it would be replaced under warranty. The lamps were on back order and were not due until the end of April.

I was advised yesterday that the lamp shipped to my home address and was provided with a UPS tracking number. The lamp is due to arrive on Thursday.

I just wanted to post in this thread to advise that I have been very satisfied with Sony's customer service. This is the second Sony product that I have owned that required dealing with their customer service ( I owned the HS10 as well and it needed a service visit to Laredo ) and in both instances I was treated fairly.

I will post back upon receiving the lamp and having installed it in my HS51.


Thanks for listening.


Regards,


Greetings,


As per the above, the lamp arrived yesterday. I installed it this afternoon and it is up and running. Sony customer service came through and are to be commended. For those who may have issues in the future I recommend that you hang in there and be patient. If you can reach the customer relations unit and have a reasonable request I believe you can count on being treated fairly.

Regards,
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