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post #121 of 1446
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Originally posted by Tony Costanza
Josh,

Has the speed on the pixel clock been increased or is it the same as the HD?

Tony

The pixel clock is the same.
post #122 of 1446
Josh,
if you find the time, please could you also answer my questions.
Thanks.
post #123 of 1446
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Originally posted by bejoro
Can I transfer any test results directly from the iScan HD to the HD+?
(Because of the similarity between the iScan HD and HD+)

So if the iScan HD preforms very well in my system the HD+ will do it the same way?

Yes, with SD content, the performance of the HD and HD+ will be the same.
post #124 of 1446
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Originally posted by bejoro
Would it be possible to implement a selectable "pass through" for DVI and YUV/RGBS inputs (per input)? So every DVI, YUV and even interlaced SD YUV-signals could be passed through the iScan HD(+) without processing on demand?

Regards
Bernhard

The hardware is capable of passing thru on the DVI and YUV inputs. The DVI input already has this ability in the HD and will have it in the HD+. At this time there is no work in progress to support this is on the YUV input. Is there a particular reason why you would want to pass thru an SD YUV signal?
post #125 of 1446
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Originally posted by bejoro
@Josh or Dale

There were significant PAL film mode locking problems with the HD.
Are these problems completely solved now?

We have added "Film Bias" mode to help with PAL film mode locking in the HD. Outside of that, the problems with 2:2 pull down detection are largely a result of the limitations in the SiI504.

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[i]For CRT owners two standard resolutions 1440x864@50Hz (PAL) and 1440x720@60Hz (NTSC) are very interesting. Are these resolutions available as standard settings? [/b]

These are not standard preset resolutions, although they can be created using the custom programming of the output parameters. If you can provide the timing information associated with these resolutions, it is possible they could become presets.
post #126 of 1446
Josh
I just read your new article. Very well written and an excellent read.
post #127 of 1446
Josh,

CRT owners use those two resolutions as they are integer multiples of the DVD resolutions for PAL and NTSC.

BTW, EVERY ONE has 2:2 pulldown locking problems because there are no repeat fields to track down, so the locking is half luck and half trial and error...
post #128 of 1446
Hi Josh! You have a PM.
post #129 of 1446
Dale
Are you mentally prepared for a "2300 posts and counting" thread on the HD+ as well?
post #130 of 1446
Wow. So many posts...for both threads...

I wonder...I like pixel perfect, and scaling is key, so letting a projector scale has its drawbacks, therefore, an iScan HD scaling is better for over 480p displays. What about even before I get a higher resolution PJ? Many have said that taking a higher resolution into a PJ is a good thing. Any thoughts? For example, the many people running upscaling dvd players at 1080i into their PJ's. Theoretically I could run 540p, 720p or 1080i into my 480p lcd pj and it should look as good or better than 480p, right? Just a thought. I am also wondering how important it will be to go for 720p or 1080 when I go up to a 720 projector. I may upgrade my iScan Ultra for an HD or HD+ depending on the difference it makes
post #131 of 1446
Josh,

Can you tell at this point if the HD+ resolves the "snap, crackle, pop" audio issues with B&K processors that the original HD had?

-John
post #132 of 1446
could you please confirm/verify the ff:
- DVI and HD-15 outputs are NOT simultaneous, but can be switched thru remote (digital vs analog)
- analog 480i/p component input will be processed while any resolution above will be passed thru; in both instances, a signal will be output to HD-15. i have read that the iScan does not do analog transcoding. so if my HD-15 output is set to YPbPr, then i should get an output from my component inputs (whether processed SD or HD pass-thru)?
- for 4:3 sources, my ONLY output options for a 16:9 display is a scaled 4:3 image with black side bars or scaled stretched image (linear). there are no other stretch options such as Mitsubishi's Stretch Plus or Samsung's Panorama?
thanks very much.
post #133 of 1446
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Originally posted by John Williams
Josh,

Can you tell at this point if the HD+ resolves the "snap, crackle, pop" audio issues with B&K processors that the original HD had?

-John

As soon as we have a production unit in house I will test this on my AVR507
post #134 of 1446
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Originally posted by memnoch [/i]
could you please confirm/verify the ff:
- DVI and HD-15 outputs are NOT simultaneous, but can be switched thru remote (digital vs analog)

Correct

Quote:


analog 480i/p component input will be processed while any resolution above will be passed thru; in both instances, a signal will be output to HD-15. i have read that the iScan does not do analog transcoding. so if my HD-15 output is set to YPbPr, then i should get an output from my component inputs (whether processed SD or HD pass-thru)?

Correct

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for 4:3 sources, my ONLY output options for a 16:9 display is a scaled 4:3 image with black side bars or scaled stretched image (linear). there are no other stretch options such as Mitsubishi's Stretch Plus or Samsung's Panorama?

The iScan HD allows you to watch 4:3 with side bars, stretched horizontally (linear) or zoomed (for 4:3 Letterbox DVDs as an example). You can also zoom both horizontally and vertically in 50 individual steps.
post #135 of 1446
[quote]Originally posted by akm3
[b]Yea, a reasonable price ($200-$300) to upgrade means you get more $$ from me. A cost to me of $750 to trade in means you don't get more $$ from me. The choice is DVDO's


Sounds like they're comfortable with that choice. Are you with yours?
post #136 of 1446
Well it's November... Is it shipping yet?
post #137 of 1446
I have one on order and don't have it yet... ...
post #138 of 1446
Sorry Josh, a little late!

This is the video timing I used for my Barco 1208/2:

H active: 1440
H front proch: 56
H sync width: 152
H back porch: 192
V active: 864
V front porch: 1
V sync width: 3
V back porch: 38
V refresh rate: 50,00

I have discovered some other timings at 1440x864 but this worked best.

I hope this was not already answered but is it possible to connect e.g. a TV (PAL progressive scan) to the analog output with 576p and a projector to the DVI output with 720p and switch both via remote (different output resolutions analog/DVI)?
post #139 of 1446
I'm trying to figure out which makes more sense in my situation, the HD+ or HD. I'm planning on getting the Sony HS51 which has a native res of 1280x720. HD source initially will be a Comcast box via DVI.

At this time the Comcast box can't pass a HD signal straight through. You have to select 720p or 1080i. So there could be the following situtations:

Comcast box set to 1080i:
720p channel -> box converts to 1080i -> iScan converts to 720p
1080i channel -> box does no conversion -> iScan converts to 720p

Comcast box set to 720p:
720p channel -> box does no conversion -> iScan does no conversion
1080i channel -> box converts to 720p -> iScan does no conversion

So I guess the question becomes, does the HD+ deinterlace 1080i better than a Comcast box. From what I've read it does it via bob, which does not seem that difficult. Is this what a comcast box does as well? I don't really see any reason to get the HD+ over the HD, at least not in this situation. Please correct me if I've missed something.
post #140 of 1446
Josh/Dale,

Does the HD+ do high quality (multi-tap) downscaling for all in->out resolution combinations? I got bit by the FLI2300 bug where it downscales by decimation (throws pixels away) for some resolutions (1080i -> 720p, 1080i -> 1024x768, 720p -> 1024x768).

--Dan
post #141 of 1446
Hi,

Is 480i/576i over DVI (with HDCP) be processed via deinterlace/scaling like other analog SD input? I asked the question since the beginning and I just read through the last 2 pages and saw no mention of the feature. Will it be in the production release? Thanks in advance.

regards,

Li On
post #142 of 1446
From what I understand IScan HD+ will scale 480p & crossconvert 720p/1080i over DVI input (including signal with HDCP) & send it out via DVI. I believe it will also scale/deinterlace 480i over DVI input provided firmware is released for it to accept 480i over DVI input.
post #143 of 1446
Thread Starter 
We should start shipping out the first iScan HD+s late next week, while orders that are placed today, should be filled in early December. We are sorry about the delay, but keep in mind some manufacturers products are delayed months at a time before they go into production.
post #144 of 1446
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Originally posted by Li On
Is 480i/576i over DVI (with HDCP) be processed via deinterlace/scaling like other analog SD input?... Will it be in the production release?

My understanding is that the initial software for iScan HD+ will not include support for 480i over DVI (HDMI). I will find out when to expect this and post in the next couple of days.
post #145 of 1446
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Originally posted by Josh@dvdo
We should start shipping out the first iScan HD+s late next week, while orders that are placed today, should be filled in early December. We are sorry about the delay, but keep in mind some manufacturers products are delayed months at a time before they go into production.

I know ive been waiting for my new projector for 3 months now , sorry for being this direct. My 'problem' was/is with skipping questions on these topics while updating the website in way that makes us wonder. I was not asking for anything like why is it delayed just a response like you just provided. Why do i feel this is important because if you don't changes are that alot of people will start to see your company as a 'happy talking company'. Im sure alot of people will find me insulting by saying this but over the last few years we have seen several brave companies providing firsthand info to these board in good times and pulling back in bad time (probably for good reasons) and then when the next product cycle comes stop providing info not to get burned again.

Im hoping that dvdo will not becomming one of them because your direct feedback is a important part in many of our (newbies) learning curves you provide info that most dealers can't.

Most of us would understand if you are more direct about the amount of support you can provide at times like 'sorry we will be busy for the next 8 weeks or we just updated our site there is a few weeks of delay and we can't comment on why'


Hope you read these comments with the good spirit i am trying to make them and that my non native english speaking translation doesn't strike the wrong tune.

Greetings,

Daniel.
post #146 of 1446
The fact that DVDO is providing a board upgrade for us IScan HD owners to bring it on par with IScan HD+ says a lot about their commitment to their customers.
post #147 of 1446
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Originally posted by vinodk
The fact that DVDO is providing a board upgrade for us IScan HD owners to bring it on par with IScan HD+ says a lot about their commitment to their customers.

This is my last message on this topic before i seem like a dvdo basher im not, read my message i worry about happening to dvdo on this board what happend to other 'reps' from companies.

Ive talked and they did several things for me sofar that proof they support their product just fine it was just a warning that if they only react to some questions and ignore the ones about delays some people will start to paint them in a way they did with others (they only react to things they like) and that mostly results in the company leaving the forums. Take Jeff from Denon for example or Bob from infocus, They went from very active at product release, then slowed down, got attacked more and more and now either left or lurk mostly.

Greetings,

Daniel.
post #148 of 1446
Hi Daniel! Didn't mean to offend you. I apologize if I came across the wrong way. I was just making an observation. I can tell you I am getting better service from DVDO in the 4 months I have owned their product compared to almost 2 years of owning a B&K prepro & frusturatingly waiting for upgrades.
post #149 of 1446
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I will be at EHX next week in Long Beach showing the iScan HD+. I will have a 50" plasma and an HD TiVo for demonstration. The show floor is open Tuesday (10-6), Wednesday (10-6) and Thursday (10-3) and we are at Booth #1265. Please stop by if you have any questions or if you want to preorder the HD+.

For more info about the show, check out: http://www.ehexpo.com/
post #150 of 1446
Forgive my ignorance... I'm currently using the iScan HD with a DishDVR
921. The 921 does its own upconversion of whatever signal to 1080i or
720p and outputs via DVI.

DVDs are processed in my system via SDI, so this input isn't relevant...

The iScan outputs via DVI to my BenQ 8700+, which accepts a naitive 1080i
HD resolution via the DVI.

Today, everything coming in via the DVI is obviously passed through.
Exactly what would I gain with the HD+? Besides using the iScan's aspect
ratio/zoom modes (I currently use the ones built into the DishDVR 921),
since the 921 forces an upconversion to either 1080i or 720p of SD signals,
am I correct in saying I won't see any improvement of these Dish-based
upconversions of 480i since they are upconverted to 1080i prior to
reaching the iScan?

Thanks,

-Jay
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