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post #31 of 1446
I vote for the PCB swap option too.
post #32 of 1446
Quote:
Originally posted by cablejunk
Is the HD+ capable of nonlinear stretch?

No.

- Dale Adams
post #33 of 1446
Quote:
Originally posted by Clark Burk
Dale, I'm sure the HD+ is finalized at this point, but have you given any thoughts to a future version that might have more DVI(or better yet HDMI) inputs available? Now that you have scaling of DVI signals,many of us IscanHD users have more than one source that has DVI out such as a DVD player and HD cable or satelite. This would eliminate the necessity of a DVI switcher box.

You might want to take a really close look at the photo of the unannounced DVDO video processor that's been posted in another thread on this forum.

- Dale Adams
post #34 of 1446
Quote:
Originally posted by Dale Adams
You might want to take a really close look at the photo of the unannounced DVDO video processor that's been posted in another thread on this forum.

- Dale Adams

Have a look here.

Ryan
post #35 of 1446
Dale Adams,

Is the new iScanHD+ really fitted with BNC connectors on the output?
Because that's one of the very few things i miss on my iScan HD.
post #36 of 1446
Quote:
Originally posted by B.Hegelstad
Dale Adams,

Is the new iScanHD+ really fitted with BNC connectors on the output?
Because that's one of the very few things i miss on my iScan HD.

I don't know if your refering to the image in the link above, but if so then this is not the iScanHD+, but a as yet unreleased product, which will more than likely be a higher end scaler than the iScanHD+.

Dale any chance of some titbits of info on the new product??

Ryan
post #37 of 1446
I just don't like VGA and BNC would be reason enough to buy the iScan HD+ for me.
post #38 of 1446
As far as the DVDO website is concerned the iScanHD+ inputs/outputs are the same as those on the standard iScanHD, so no BNC's in sight...
The only changes seem to be internal and very small, ie HDCP and HD over DVI.

Ryan
post #39 of 1446
I'll just hope for a iScan HD+BNC then

Its just that a high end scaler like the HD should have professional output for the ones that uses real projectors (CRT)!
post #40 of 1446
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Originally posted by vinodk
Believe me Dale you will make lot of people happy & loyal to DVDO for a long long time to come if you decide to offer the board upgrade at a reasonable cost rather than trade in because quiet a good number of us have bought IScan HD just in the past 2-3 months & nobody likes the idea of losing good chunk of change on a trade-in in this short period of time. Hope you guys will seriously consider the board upgrade.

Guess how you would feel if you purchased the Iscan HD through the onecall power buy two weeks ago.
post #41 of 1446
I fall into the same category with a recent purchase of the HD. The thing we need to remember, most manufacturers don't even offer a trade in program so let's at least be thankful there is an option.

If for some reason we can upgrade a board, that would be awesome! let's keep our fingers crossed.

Fran
post #42 of 1446
Guess what! I purchased IScan HD through Onecall.com powerbuy at the end of July so it's not even 2 months out & we already have HD+.
post #43 of 1446
vinodk, same situation here-also from Onecall-early August; just getting my HD setup in My Great Room. Haven't even registered it yet! Not amused! Got a brand new upgradeable unit and now it is obsolete? "Lucy, you got some 'splaining' to do"

A board swap at a reasonable price, not the $750 or $500 range might help. If purchased in the last few months while there was lots of hype on the HD, DVDO just should do it! I think there may be a marketing feeling that those of us that have income to add a video processor to our Home Theater have a lot of disposable income. Well it isn't true, at least here!

And I would like to know how upgradeable the HD will be, now there is a new kid on the block.
post #44 of 1446
Yea, a reasonable price ($200-$300) to upgrade means you get more $$ from me. A cost to me of $750 to trade in means you don't get more $$ from me. The choice is DVDO's

-Allen
post #45 of 1446
grizbear,

I'm not sure why you feel so cheated... The iScan HD+ has just been announced (it won't be on sale for a while yet). In addition, the changes are not catagorically huge - it is more like a minor upgrade than DVDO's next gen product.

I understand your frustration, but I don't think you've lost out by much - the iScan HD is a fantastic product and it's well worth every cent.
post #46 of 1446
Well said Oferlaor.

On the other hand, DVDO is exploring an upgrade, and how it will be done. If you all can be patient for a few days, we will announce officially what that program will be, and what it will cost.

I do want to mention that in general, when customers purchase an item, it is typically obsolete when it's sold, just because the manufacturer is always working on a new generation. Also, most if not all companies, do not offer an upgrade program, you just get to buy the new unit, and try to sell the old one, in which you loose on both ends. DVDO offering an upgrade for folks, is an excellent thing, and kudos to them for the effort!
post #47 of 1446
Well, this Bear is still growling a bit, but it turns out OK! Seems that today was the 29th day of my 30 day no questions asked return. I now have an RMA and another 30 days to watch this situation.

Like most of us here, I am well aware that A/V electronics are usually obsolete in a short time [sometimes by the time you get them home]; this one seemed a little blatant to me with a $750 upgrade charge, esp. with the audio bug fix and a few other "improvements" still coming for the HD. $750 for a "minor upgrade" is out of the question for me.

The HD is indeed a very fine product; I'd like to be a satisfied customer and I will be watching closely.
post #48 of 1446
Hi,

I was thinking of purchasing the Iscan HD / HD+ but am a little confused about what component (Yc Cb Cr) signals it will transcode to RGB, if any.

Basically, I'm looking for something that will take a component HDTV 1080i signal from a JVC DVHS deck, trancode it the RGB and scale it to match my projector's (1365 x 1024 or 1365 x 768) resolution. I own a D-ILA.

I'm also looking to input a 480p signal from a DVD player through it's DVI output.

Not sure if the Iscan HD or HD+ does this, though.

Thanks,
Russell
post #49 of 1446
Russell1,

the iScan HD+ does process 1080i and should transcode it. Please note that it will do bob for 1080i - so if that's not a problem for you, it willd o what you need.

BTW, I would recommend going with 480i from a DVD player (preferably SDI) instead of 480p through DVI.
post #50 of 1446
Quote:


Originally posted by Russell1
I was thinking of purchasing the Iscan HD / HD+ but am a little confused about what component (Yc Cb Cr) signals it will transcode to RGB, if any.

Basically, I'm looking for something that will take a component HDTV 1080i signal from a JVC DVHS deck, trancode it the RGB and scale it to match my projector's (1365 x 1024 or 1365 x 768) resolution. I own a D-ILA.

I'm also looking to input a 480p signal from a DVD player through it's DVI output.

Not sure if the Iscan HD or HD+ does this, though.

Neither the iScan HD or HD+ will process or transcode an analog HD signal. The HD will process a 480p DVI signal if it's not HDCP protected. The HD+ will handle HDCP, as well as HD-resolution DVI signals.

Note, however, that if a DVI signal is HDCP-encrypted it can only be sent out as an HDCP-encrypted signal (at a user-selected resolution and frame rate) from the HD+'s DVI output. This will be true for any video processor which handles HDCP.

- Dale Adams
post #51 of 1446
Hi Dale,

The new HD+ has DVI+HDCP. Is that mean it will take the Pioneer 59avi HDMI (to DVI) 480i/576i (with HDCP I think) for the usual Sil504 deinterlace and all other processing in the iScan and out via DVI in any supported resolution (with HDCP)?

Is so then we don't need any SDI mod! Though so far the Pioneer 59avi is the ONLY DVD player that output the raw 480i/576i via HDMI.

I think the HD+ DVI takes 1080i (as well as 720p, right?) HDTV, "bob" it if needed (it don't bob a 720p input, right?), and rescale (with HDCP is needed).

Does the component input also support these HDTV processing?

Thanks in advance.

regards,

Li On
post #52 of 1446
LiON the Pioneer is not the only one to do this. In Europe there are TWO Pioneers that will and in the US and here Arcam DV79 and DV29 will also.

Gordon
post #53 of 1446
Thanks for the info. The question remain...

regards,

Li On
post #54 of 1446
Quote:


Originally posted by Li On
The new HD+ has DVI+HDCP. Is that mean it will take the Pioneer 59avi HDMI (to DVI) 480i/576i (with HDCP I think) for the usual Sil504 deinterlace and all other processing in the iScan and out via DVI in any supported resolution (with HDCP)?

No, it will not process a 480i/576i signal from DVI. This might be added in future firmware upgrade, though.

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I think the HD+ DVI takes 1080i (as well as 720p, right?) HDTV, "bob" it if needed (it don't bob a 720p input, right?), and rescale (with HDCP is needed).

From the 4th post in this thread:
"The iScan HD+ can take an incoming HD signal over DVI and scale to the chosen output resolution. With 480i signals, the iScan HD/HD+ uses motion and source adaptive video deinterlacing for NTSC (3:2 and 2:2 pulldown; video) and PAL/SECAM (2:2 pulldown; video) sources. With a 1080i signal, the iScan HD+ uses 'bob'. 'Bob' consists of treating each video field independently for de-interlacing purposes".

Quote:


Does the component input also support these HDTV processing?

Also from the 4th post:
"The analog component inputs function the same way as the iScan HD. If the component signal comes in with a resolution exceeding 480p(NTSC) or 576p(PAL), it will be passed thru and it will not be transcoded to RGBHV."

And from the post immediately before yours:
"Neither the iScan HD or HD+ will process or transcode an analog HD signal."

- Dale Adams
post #55 of 1446
Quote:


Originally posted by Dale Adams
From the 4th post in this thread:
"The iScan HD+ can take an incoming HD signal over DVI and scale to the chosen output resolution. With 480i signals, the iScan HD/HD+ uses motion and source adaptive video deinterlacing for NTSC (3:2 and 2:2 pulldown; video) and PAL/SECAM (2:2 pulldown; video) sources. With a 1080i signal, the iScan HD+ uses 'bob'. 'Bob' consists of treating each video field independently for de-interlacing purposes".

As far as my poor English understanding, the above saying does NOT clearly state whether or not the HD+ DVI will take 480i or not. Your answer above does clear up the confusion.

So the only unclean question: how about a DVI 720P HDTV (with or without HDCP)? Bypass? "bob" like 1080i? Scale to output resolution?

Thanks in advance.

regards,

Li On
post #56 of 1446
Quote:


Originally posted by Li On
As far as my poor English understanding, the above saying does NOT clearly state whether or not the HD+ DVI will take 480i or not. Your answer above does clear up the confusion.

Which is why I provided a separate answer to that question and did not quote a previous post in this thread.

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So the only unclean question: how about a DVI 720P HDTV (with or without HDCP)? Bypass? "bob" like 1080i? Scale to output resolution?

That's 2 (maybe 3) questions. You might want to try reading the posts in this thread as your questions have already been answered. That's one of the main advantages of having a public forum instead of just communicating via email and PMs.

In short, however: 'Bob' is a deinterlacing technique. 720p is not interlaced. Hence, there is no need to deinterlace it. The HD+ will scale a 720p DVI input signal with or without HDCP. If it's HDCP protected then it can only be sent out the iScan's DVI port, also with HDCP protection.

- Dale Adams
post #57 of 1446
720p through DVI will be scaled up, as there's no need to deinterlace it.
post #58 of 1446
Seriously, I think the original post is VERY confusing!

The OLD iScan HD can't do anything to 720p/1080i except passthrough. And no HDCP.

The new iScan HD+ has HDCP and process HDTV.

That beg the following questions on 3 input signals via DVI:

1. 480i/576i
2. 720P
3. 1080i

To my understanding, the original post which Dale quote repeatedly said:

1. 480i is processed for deinterlace, scaling and all the usual processing
2. not mentioned
3. 1080i is "bob" deinterlace and scale

After my 2 posts questions, the following is concluded:

1. NO 480i/576i DVI processing
2. 720P is scaled
3. 1080i is "bob" deinterlace and scale

If you all think the original post is so clean about all the issues and my questions seems so silly, then moderator please remove my posts AND Dale reply. Thanks in advance.

regards,

Li On

PS: in fact I just come up a new question! The old iScan HD will process (scale) a 480P input as long as there is no HDCP. How's the new HD+ process 480P with HDCP via DVI?
post #59 of 1446
Quote:


Originally posted by Li On
Seriously, I think the original post is VERY confusing!

You may want to try looking at the information on the DVDO website at: http://www.dvdo.com/pro/pro_ishdplus.html That provides more detailed information on the HD+. If you still have questions after looking at that site (or the 52 other posts in this thread), please ask them.

Quote:


The OLD iScan HD can't do anything to 720p/1080i except passthrough. And no HDCP.

The new iScan HD+ has HDCP and process HDTV.

That beg the following questions on 3 input signals via DVI:

1. 480i/576i
2. 720P
3. 1080i

To my understanding, the original post which Dale quote repeatedly said:

1. 480i is processed for deinterlace, scaling and all the usual processing
2. not mentioned
3. 1080i is "bob" deinterlace and scale

From the original post (which is really a marketing blurb rather than a technical specifications list): "the iScan HD+ adds scaling of high definition sources (720p, 1080i) which come in on DVI, and HDCP support over DVI",
so 720p input over DVI is explicitly mentioned, as it was in other posts in this thread.

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If you all think the original post is so clean about all the issues and my questions seems so silly, then moderator please remove my posts AND Dale reply. Thanks in advance.

That's a bit of an over-reaction, I think. I was simply suggesting that you read the entire thread (which really isn't that long, unlike another one I can think of ) before posting questions. Most of what you asked had already been discussed.

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The old iScan HD will process (scale) a 480P input as long as there is no HDCP. How's the new HD+ process 480P with HDCP via DVI?

Yes. If the iScan HD+ can process the DVI signal, then it can process it regardless of whether it's HDCP-encrypted or not.

- Dale Adams
post #60 of 1446
Make the DVI works with 480i/576i HDCP and we will have a KILLER!

Someday I'll bring a Pioneer 59avi to try the Faroudja 1010 on 480i/576i DVI input...

regards,

Li On
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