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post #1621 of 1952
You can read information about WYTV HERE. Scroll down about two thirds of the page.
post #1622 of 1952
Does anyone know what's going on with WKBN? This is twice in the same weekend that they were off the air (last being early Saturday morning). WFMJ seemed to have problems at the same time Saturday as well.
post #1623 of 1952
I hope it's because they're working on the antenna. I'm still hanging onto hope that the antenna moving up will be beneficial to my reception. WKBN is network O&O quality compared to WOIO. The WKBN newscast makes WOIO look like a cheap operation in a 150+ TV market. Only thing I don't like about WKBN is they changed the news theme. They used to use Impact, I liked that. Now they're using the same sh!tty CBS Enforcer WOIO is using.
post #1624 of 1952
I think it was NBC's programming that changed this weekend. I forget what was on in the afternoon, but on WKYC we only had one hour of Today. The 8AM hour had those crappy Saturday morning cartoons on and the local news at 9. WFMJ probably had infomercials because they decided to show their E/I programming at a different time.
post #1625 of 1952
Thanks B. H. for the info on the WFMJ/WBCB problems.
post #1626 of 1952
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Originally Posted by salemtubes View Post

WKBN plans to move its antenna to the top of the tower sometime this fall.

Just checking back to see if anyone knows anything new on the moving further up of the DTV antenna of WKBN?
post #1627 of 1952
Is WYFX 17/62 OTA HD yet ???
post #1628 of 1952
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Originally Posted by fmcomputer View Post

Is WYFX 17/62 OTA HD yet ???

Unless I am mistaken, I don't think they'll be wasting the money putting it on it's own transmitter since they have done real well squeezing it on 27 with WKBN and it's got great coverage.
post #1629 of 1952
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Originally Posted by Vchat20 View Post

Unless I am mistaken, I don't think they'll be wasting the money putting it on it's own transmitter since they have done real well squeezing it on 27 with WKBN and it's got great coverage.

However, as a result, both WKBN and WYFX ended up with a really mediocre quality HD picture, IMO.
post #1630 of 1952
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Originally Posted by rluyster View Post

However, as a result, both WKBN and WYFX ended up with a really mediocre quality HD picture, IMO.

Sorry for the late reply. But while I do not disagree on this point, the biggest thing I see coming out of this is OTA broadcasts are ultimately focused on and used by those who don't care much about quality. At least imho. Though maybe WKBN's engineer has other ideas for the future? But I think if he's squeezing the quality in that's there now (which is honestly astounding FWIW. 2 720p feeds in 18mbit of bandwidth. No easy feat when trying to keep PQ up.), the push for a separate transmitter becomes less and less.

One thing I wanted to ask though and maybe WFMJ's engineer is still hanging around and reading this: Any known plans for HD Syndication/in-house programming in the near future? I know the budget issue makes this difficult, but no idea if anything has changed recently. I'd love you guys forever if this could change.

And also to the WFMJ engineer if he reads this: When it comes to primetime NBC programming, if there's any way you can postpone like the onscreen lottery tickers to commercials or something rather than in the middle of primetime shows, that'd be awesome. Kinda annoying right now 'cause it cuts the picture back to the SD feed and windowboxed with the added graphic clutter. I haven't watched enough this tv season but I know last season with L&O:SVU it happened just about every week at the same time during the same show. I eventually switched my DVR recording to WKYC for that show (thankfully Time Warner gives us both the Y-Town and Cleveland locals down here.).
post #1631 of 1952
If any of the local engineers read this, also when is WFMJ or WYFX going to be available in HD from DISH? Any hope of CW or MNT getting up on DISH?
post #1632 of 1952
Has anyone else noticed that WYTV monentarly blacks out. This has happened the last couple days.
post #1633 of 1952
Does WYFX plan on ever putting out 5.1 audio for primetime viewing or sporting events? It's getting frustrating having to watch House in 2.0 and watching baseball games the same way.
post #1634 of 1952
WYTV still blacking out. Lets get this fixed Please.
post #1635 of 1952
No Audio on WKBN for 5 minutes during Medium
post #1636 of 1952
I noticed today when departing from work that WKBN is working on the antennas at the top of their tower.
Get really for the improved signal if that's possible!
October 19th 2009
post #1637 of 1952
For those who missed it, WKBN announced tonight on their 6 PM newscast that they plan to move their transmitter to the top of the tower this Wed (10/21/09). However it means WKBN will be down for 12 hours at least. They said they hope to be back on by 8 PM that night. We'll see!
post #1638 of 1952
Y-Town folks...did WKBN go down today as planned?
post #1639 of 1952
WKBN is currently off the air.
post #1640 of 1952
I'm assuming they did go off as planned at 8 PM, because the window is 12 hours, and I'm sure they want back on before prime time...
post #1641 of 1952
Yep, they are done, and whatever they did the picture on CSI NY hs tons of interference and is very grainy. I already emailed Tom at WKBN to let him know.
post #1642 of 1952
I'm getting a slightly better signal from WKBN over here in the Akron area, though not good enough to lock. I haven't played with antenna placement yet, though.
post #1643 of 1952
The WKBN digital antenna move from the side mount position to the top mount has taken place. However, there is still a little work yet to be done. We had to make a custom length piece of transmission line that connects the last piece of standard length transmission line (roughly 20 foot pieces) to the elbow complex that transitions into the antenna. We will have a factory piece made and shipped in for the final assembly. This is a typical procedure and usually once the length of the custom piece is known, progress stops until the piece is made and flown in. Obviously in our case we didn't want to be off the air for another whole day (or best part of one) so we made a temporary one on site. Once the factory piece is installed the whole system must be swept and fine tuned for best performance. There are a few places where there are fine matching adjustments for impedance optimizations: at the launch in the transmitter building, the elbow at the base of the tower and at the input of the antenna. The system is tuned so that every precious Watt of energy gets radiated from the antenna and nothing (or very little) gets reflected back to the transmitter. So what this means is that we will be operating at low power, about 30%, until all of this work is completed. Looking at the weather and talking with Don Guthrie, it looks like our next safe opportunity will be Sunday night going into Monday morning. Since we will have to be off for a few hours again, we'll do this work between midnight and 5 AM and then hopefully we will finally be at full power at the top of the tower. As far as the low power situation goes, we've been running at 30% since last Sunday morning for safety reasons because of all of the cables and riggings on the tower. Once we are up to full power the crew will continue removing the old analog transmission line from the tower and then WKBN will be done.

Once WKBN is done, the crew will pack up their equipment and move it down the street to WYTV and that project will begin. In this case, all of the old analog antenna and transmission line must first be removed from the tower before the new line and antenna can be installed. I have no estimate on the time frame because every bit of tower work is dependent upon the weather conditions. Even when it's not raining, high winds can stop work at the top of the tower. Just as an example, the crew has been on site at WKBN for a little over a month. We've needed about 10 good working days to get where we are right now Welcome to NE Ohio!
post #1644 of 1952
Thanks for the update Tom!

Just a minor question but any idea what is up with WYTV currently and their unstable reception for many of us? Is all this antenna/transmitter work a cause? I know others have already chimed in but here in Warren the signal strength of 33 can vary greatly in the matter of minutes and cause dropout issues. Sometimes it will read 70-80% signal strength and just as easily it can drop down to 30% or so where a solid signal lock will not happen.

Would be nice to finally get 33 in solidly here. Now if only WFMJ can start pushing out WBCB in HD like 27 is doing now. (Though honestly I think having the quality degradation, as minor as it may be, on 2 major networks in a single market would be pretty messy.)
post #1645 of 1952
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Originally Posted by Vchat20 View Post

Thanks for the update Tom!

Just a minor question but any idea what is up with WYTV currently and their unstable reception for many of us? Is all this antenna/transmitter work a cause? I know others have already chimed in but here in Warren the signal strength of 33 can vary greatly in the matter of minutes and cause dropout issues. Sometimes it will read 70-80% signal strength and just as easily it can drop down to 30% or so where a solid signal lock will not happen.

Would be nice to finally get 33 in solidly here. Now if only WFMJ can start pushing out WBCB in HD like 27 is doing now. (Though honestly I think having the quality degradation, as minor as it may be, on 2 major networks in a single market would be pretty messy.)



I think that's a major issue. Quality degradation is always a major issue. At least with WKBN it can be justified() because FOX is a major network. If my NBC affiliate decided to downgrade to 720p AND cut bandwidth for the CW, I'd be out there with torches and pitchforks. Plus it should come with the folks at 30 Rock yanking their NBC affiliation. The CW is a crap "network" like that "My Network TV".

I'll bet there would be tons of P.O.ed viewers if Sunday Night Football, the Summer and Winter Olympics, Saturday college football and other NBC programming was degraded for fncking Gossip Girl.
post #1646 of 1952
There have been no changes or work done on the WYTV transmitter, antenna or tower. It is running with a solid output and a high S/N and MER. The transmitted signal does not vary throughout the day and the power is never lowered. So I don't have any explanation for your observed signal changes other than possibly seasonal atmospherics. I have recently seen an increase in viewer complaints regarding signal dropouts so you are not alone. Hopefully our new transmitter and antenna will remedy the situation.
post #1647 of 1952
WKBN CHIEF,

Thanks for the update, Your temporary fix is working just fine I have good signal strength here in Oil City. I just hope the WYTV transmitter upgrade will get their signal to my area.
Thanks Again,

WKBN CHIEF, "Antenna Crew"
Keep Up The Great Work!!
post #1648 of 1952
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Originally Posted by WKBN Chief View Post

There have been no changes or work done on the WYTV transmitter, antenna or tower. It is running with a solid output and a high S/N and MER. The transmitted signal does not vary throughout the day and the power is never lowered. So I don't have any explanation for your observed signal changes other than possibly seasonal atmospherics. I have recently seen an increase in viewer complaints regarding signal dropouts so you are not alone. Hopefully our new transmitter and antenna will remedy the situation.

Is WYTV stilll planning on increasing thier power output?
post #1649 of 1952
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Originally Posted by firemantom26 View Post

Is WYTV stilll planning on increasing thier power output?

Well, they're probably not going up there because they like the view.

Looking at WYTV's FCC database entry, the 1000 kW upgrade is the only one on the plate:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=4693

And I'm not sure why he'd mention "new transmitter and antenna" if this wasn't the case.
post #1650 of 1952
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Originally Posted by firemantom26 View Post

Is WYTV stilll planning on increasing thier power output?

Was gonna post til I saw Inundated's response. Though TV-Fool now pegs it in the same signal quality area as WFMJ and WKBN with the 1000kw update, this is only going by FCC filings so I dunno if it's actually been bumped up yet or if it's gonna be done after WKBN's antenna is finished. Though with the noticable increase in signal lately I'd wager a guess it has been upgraded. Just need to figure out exactly what is causing all these dropout issues around here.
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