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post #211 of 1952
This is great news--first finding out that WKBN will be high def; then that, as an Armstrong customer, I'll be able to see Fox in high def as well. It's certainly a great time to own an HDTV set in this area!

By the way... I understand that WKBN is shooting for May 1 for it's HD broadcast--is this the same time Armstrong will begin relaying Fox's HD signal as well?

Thanks Mr. Zocolo, and everyone else in this thread!
post #212 of 1952
Thanx to Inundated and Mr. Zocolo for answering my question.

I actually worded it incorrectly, as I know that a sub-channel will be in SD, and not HD like the "prime channel" is in most cases.

And I don't know why people put down SD.

Granted it is not HD, but having a digital local Fox station is a HELLUVA lot better than what we currently have, which is nothing. The overall picture will be GREATLY improved because now the channel is being sent out digitally, especially if one is watching with a HDTV.

Would HD be better? Well, Duh. But if you want HD that badly, get an antenna and pull in either Cleveland, OH or WPGH/Fox out of Pittsburgh, PA. I can get the Fox feed out of the Burgh with a cruddy amplified indoor RCA antenna(and this is at close to 50 miles away from me. It is 48 miles to be exact, I think.). I occasionally get breakups, but if one can get a nice outdoor antenna, you really should not have a problem pulling in either.
post #213 of 1952
[quote=WKBN Chief]Fox 17/62 will be carrying the Indians this year. We are very excited to bring this to the valley. Unfortunately, the games will not be available in HD, even if we did put them on the KBN side. This is because a HD satellite feed will not be available. The satellite distribution of these games will be only in SD. We, too, were excited when we first started talking about carrying the Indians' games only to be disappointed when we learned of the SD feed. Keep in mind that this is a new endeavor and if it is successful, more effort will likely be put into the HD distribution down the road.

That is too bad about the lack of HD - but I understand that it is out of your control. I guess with the short amount of time the Indians have had to put this new network together, it is not surprising that they were not able to put together a HD distribution for the OTA games. Perhaps next year.

I am happy that I will at least have an OTA backup to WKYC for Indians games. I am hoping to pull in WKBN-DT with my temp indoor antenna here in North Canton and once I get my outdoor antenna back in operation, it should be a cinch!
post #214 of 1952
I'm pleased to announce that we will be the CW affiliate this fall. We've put a lot of time, energy, effort, and money into making this a viable channel in the Youngstown market. It is becoming successful for us and we're happy we can keep improving on it now.
post #215 of 1952
What do you mean by 'CW' affiliate?
post #216 of 1952
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Originally Posted by hoops10 View Post

What do you mean by 'CW' affiliate?

The CW is the new network that is being created by combining the WB and UPN, which occured about 2-3 months ago. Both UPN and the WB are going to cease to exist, and the CW will be the joint effort of the two networks in their Merger last fall.

I can't remember what CW stands for(Can't Watch ), but that is the new call letters for the new channel going out across the country.
post #217 of 1952
I take it when you say 'Can't Watch' that the programming is pretty bad on that station? Are there any good shows on it?
post #218 of 1952
I believe CW stands for CBS/Warner Bros. since they are each own 50%. My account isn't allowed to post links yet, but you can look it up on wikipedia.

I am too an Armstrong cable user and find the CBS/Fox/CW in HD great news. That will mean we get to watch my favorite shows such as NFL football, 24, and Smallville in HD That will give us approx. 12 HD stations by then.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but CBS/FOX should be in HD come May 1st, followed by CW this September?
post #219 of 1952
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Originally Posted by MoggSquad View Post

Correct me if I'm wrong, but CBS/FOX should be in HD come May 1st, followed by CW this September?

Just a correction: CW won't be in HD via WBCB/WFMJ. The channel is the current WB network feed that is a digital SD subchannel of WFMJ-DT 20. There's not enough room on one digital channel to carry two HD feeds at once, and they have to carry the NBC HD feed on WFMJ-DT. WKBN/WYFX has the same problem with FOX 17/62 - since they'll have an SD digital subchannel on WKBN-DT...and the FOX 17/62 primary transmitters are analog LPTV and can't send out digital or HD.

Now, if Mr. Fils and company do the same thing that WKBN/WYFX is doing for FOX 17/62, and feed a CW Network HD feed to the cable companies, that would overcome that. The TV stations can feed a direct fiber optic HD and SD feed to the cable companies that bypasses the over-air transmitter limitations mentioned above.

As someone else mentioned, whenever WBNX-DT 30 Akron (55-1) manages to get its DT stick up and running, many folks in the Youngstown area may be able to get that over-air, particularly in Warren/Trumbull County or the closer you are to Cleveland (WBNX's stick is actually in the Parma antenna farm in that Cleveland suburb)...that feed would have The CW's HD programming.
post #220 of 1952
To TV21Chief:

I am not picking you up today - analog or digital. Are you off the air or running at reduced power?
post #221 of 1952
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Originally Posted by TheBlackKnight View Post

To TV21Chief:

I am not picking you up today - analog or digital. Are you off the air or running at reduced power?


Sunday was not a good day for us. Digital and analog were off last night from somewhere around 5 :30P until about 6:30P when I got the digital back on the air. Analog had been on our standby transmitter at lower power all day (except from about 5:30P - 8:00P). We had multiple failures in multiple areas that turned into a cluster -you-know-what. Everything went back to normal today at noon.
post #222 of 1952
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Originally Posted by TV21CHIEF View Post

Sunday was not a good day for us. Digital and analog were off last night from somewhere around 5 :30P until about 6:30P when I got the digital back on the air. Analog had been on our standby transmitter at lower power all day (except from about 5:30P - 8:00P). We had multiple failures in multiple areas that turned into a cluster -you-know-what. Everything went back to normal today at noon.

Glad to hear that you got everything back up and running. My reception of WKYC-DT has been spotty lately, so you guys are my NBC backup. It's nice to have options!
post #223 of 1952
I finished the surround equipment install today. The first 40 minutes of Law & Order sound OK at home so I guess I can tell everyone since it works.
post #224 of 1952
Thanks for the heads up, Robert. I'll be watching Leno on WFMJ instead of WPXI now.
post #225 of 1952
21-1 has been in black all day??
21-2 looks fine....
good signal level...
anyone else??

Ed...
post #226 of 1952
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Originally Posted by wd8kct View Post

21-1 has been in black all day??
21-2 looks fine....
good signal level...
anyone else??

Ed...

Same here
post #227 of 1952
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Originally Posted by wd8kct View Post

21-1 has been in black all day??
21-2 looks fine....
good signal level...
anyone else??

Ed...

As of about 10:30 last night, same here. It appears that they are not even sending out a stream on 21-1 - not even a blank raster. When I punched in 21 on my remote, the tuner automatically changed to 21-2 and 21-1 disappeared.

I'm sure Mr. Flis will fill us in after he's done scrambling around trying to fix this.
post #228 of 1952
With me, it has been kinda of weird.

WFMJ/HD on BOTH cable and OTA has disappeared(21-1 no longer shows up on my OTA, while it's cable designation[Adelphia] has disappeared also. OTA/Cable for the WB is still there though).

But on my analog cable channel lineup(Adelphia) WFMJ comes in just fine, but the CBWB out of Youngstown is GONE. Odd.

UPDATE: As of 11:45am 4/4/06, my WB station, which is normally the one out of Youngstown, has been replaced with the WB channel out of Pittsburgh(WB22).

Something is definitely wrong with the set-up, and it is affecting both channels somehow.
post #229 of 1952
I came in at 3 AM Monday morning to upgrade software in my HD encoders. I've done this before with no problems and usually no one knows, but this time it didn't work.

The main encoder also contains the remux card that combines WFMJ-HD, WBCB, and PSIP. Something happened during the upgrade that caused the encoder to not recognize the remux card. Even reverting back to the original software didn't work. It takes about 50 minutes of rebooting to get everything loaded so it's a real PITA. Anyway, I chose to force WBCB into the transmitter and give up NBC HD because it's a simulcast and there was nothing on in HD until Leno. Everything is back up for now on loaner external equipment. I've been spending a lot of money here trying to get some redundancy for the single points of failure. Just haven't made it to this particular piece of equipment yet.

In addition to adding the DD5.1 sound, I've ordered a backup exciter, and my program guide is now a subscription service (TitanTV) that should keep it a little more up to date than the manual entry mode. I just finished going through my HD rack and cleaned up a bunch of clicks and pops in the audio from the surround install. Hopefully by the time February 2009 ( ) rolls around I'll be as redundant as the analog side.

Adult beverage time...
post #230 of 1952
Robert,

Are the WFMJ-HD, WBCB and PSIP data streams multiplexed
at the transmitter or at the studio then to the STL??

Tnx... Ed...
post #231 of 1952
Quote:
Originally Posted by wd8kct View Post

Robert,

Are the WFMJ-HD, WBCB and PSIP data streams multiplexed
at the transmitter or at the studio then to the STL??

Tnx... Ed...


At the studio before the STL. The mux is actually installed in the WFMJ-HD encoder - errr, was until it broke. The loaner is a separate piece of equipment now.
post #232 of 1952
To WKBN Cheif: How are things going with the launch of WKBN-DT? Is it still on for a May 1st launch? Will there be any test signals prior to May 1st?
post #233 of 1952
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

To WKBN Cheif: How are things going with the launch of WKBN-DT? Is it still on for a May 1st launch? Will there be any test signals prior to May 1st?

I've been wondering about that too....I keep checking ch 41 but haven't seen anything yet.
post #234 of 1952
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

To WKBN Cheif: How are things going with the launch of WKBN-DT? Is it still on for a May 1st launch? Will there be any test signals prior to May 1st?

I was kind of hoping that they would fire up the digital transmitter this past Friday for the Indians game since their subchannel is carrying it (WYFX I think?). WKYC-DT has been a no-show for me lately.

I hope if they do fire up the DT early for testing, WKBN Chief gives us a heads up. I am sure several of us would not mind giving him feedback on how well his digital signal is getting out.
post #235 of 1952
Skip season is approaching. Last year (before I knew WKBN-DT was not yet on the air) I was getting something on the signal meter for ch 41. I could not get a lock on the signal, however I bet it was WXYZ-DT from Detroit.

I hope that I can get a lock on WKBN-DT on a regular basis, since the FCC map shows I'm inside the contour line. The edge of the line is about 10 miles west of here (Strongsville) and I'm on high ground.
post #236 of 1952
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

I hope that I can get a lock on WKBN-DT on a regular basis, since the FCC map shows I'm inside the contour line. The edge of the line is about 10 miles west of here (Strongsville) and I'm on high ground.

Here is the WKBN-DT FCC "service area" map, the basic strong signal area that you should be able to get them:



It would include pretty much all of the Akron area. I don't know what kind of shot I'll have, though...as the range would theoretically include things as obstacles (the WKBN tower, like everything in that region, is in a valley) and I also don't really have a clear shot out to the southeast like I do towards Parma.
post #237 of 1952
Question. I currently don't have cable and only get 21/27/33/62.. I'm looking at getting a HDTV and wondering if those are still the only stations I will get and if any of them will be in HD. This is most likely a stupid question because I'm kinda ignorant to this whole area of HD at the moment so please excuse..
post #238 of 1952
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Originally Posted by tbird2340 View Post

Question. I currently don't have cable and only get 21/27/33/62.. I'm looking at getting a HDTV and wondering if those are still the only stations I will get and if any of them will be in HD. This is most likely a stupid question because I'm kinda ignorant to this whole area of HD at the moment so please excuse..

If you can get 21/27/33, then you will be able to get the digital channels of those respective stations. You should probably be able to get PBS channel 45's digital signal too. Now the disclaimer:

The digital channel for 27 will also carry a sub-channel of Fox 17/62. It will NOT be high-def. WFMJ also carries a sub-channel of the WB (soon to be The CW) that is NOT high-def. You can use the same antenna you are using now. While the digital sub-channels from us and Fox are not high-def, we are both digital the whole way through and the picture quality will be a lot better. You can check out the previous posts from Tom Zocolo at WKBN for their plans. Right now I'm sure he's busy putting the digital equipment together and hasn't had time to check in so be patient.

Have fun buying stuff !
post #239 of 1952
So I can get these in HD w/out an HD antenna?
post #240 of 1952
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Originally Posted by tbird2340 View Post

So I can get these in HD w/out an HD antenna?


There's no such thing as an "HD Antenna". Originally they tried to make "HD antennas" a little more directional because the early tuners were sensitive to ghosts. The later tuners, which I'm sure you'll have if you buy now, aren't as prone to ghosting. Get your HDTV with an ATSC tuner in it or a set-top box with an ATSC tuner in it and try it. It'll probably work and save you a few bucks.
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