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post #151 of 1354
[quote=bjenkins] 480p games that are made to be displayed in 16:9 format are being distorted, stretched, in "full" mode and as bullgates said, are being shown in 4:3 480p by the tv.
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I bought the same TV this past Friday and it does the same thing you are talking about with Halo 2 @ 480P. However, full does not distort anything other than the HUD. The maps and characters are true 16X9 and only the radar, aiming guide, amo...ect are distorted. This is just how it is with Halo 2. What you are seing is not a problem. For some reason this TV and my Sony 50" LCD RP HDTV both list the input as 4X3 480P. In normal mode you will notice that the HUD looks correct but your gun, and everything else on the screen is tall and skinny.

Again, nothing is wrong with your TV. "Full" is the correct mode for games. 720P and 1080i also default to "Full". It's all good.
post #152 of 1354
i'm sorry for being so persistant, but if there is no problem with the tv, then why do the games display in 16:9, with absolutely no distortion, on my mitsubishi and phillips hdtv's? on the sony tv, gta: san andreas in "full" mode has a black bar on the left side of the tv and the right side of the game is cut off. if the settings on the game consoles are set to 16:9, the tv should recognize this instead of displaying a 4:3 image.

the hud in halo should have no distortion when displayed in 16:9. there was an issue with this when the game was first release but it has been patched an corrected. since you're saying that you have the problem on your 50" sony lcd, i believe the problem must just be with sony tv's in general. if i experienced the issue on my other tv's, i wouldn't be so concerned. honestly, when xbox 360 releases in 21 days this will be an afterthought since all games are hd and i most likely will not be playing xbox or ps2 for awhile anyway

i emailed sony support. i'll post thier reply when i get it. other than this particular issue, i'm super happy with the set. hdtv is gorgeous and dvd's look great (even when played through the game consoles).
post #153 of 1354
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Originally Posted by bjenkins View Post

i'm sorry for being so persistant, but if there is no problem with the tv, then why do the games display in 16:9, with absolutely no distortion, on my mitsubishi and phillips hdtv's? on the sony tv, gta: san andreas in "full" mode has a black bar on the left side of the tv and the right side of the game is cut off. if the settings on the game consoles are set to 16:9, the tv should recognize this instead of displaying a 4:3 image.

the hud in halo should have no distortion when displayed in 16:9. there was an issue with this when the game was first release but it has been patched an corrected. since you're saying that you have the problem on your 50" sony lcd, i believe the problem must just be with sony tv's in general. if i experienced the issue on my other tv's, i wouldn't be so concerned. honestly, when xbox 360 releases in 21 days this will be an afterthought since all games are hd and i most likely will not be playing xbox or ps2 for awhile anyway

i emailed sony support. i'll post thier reply when i get it. other than this particular issue, i'm super happy with the set. hdtv is gorgeous and dvd's look great (even when played through the game consoles).

I think it's just a "personality quirk" for lack of a better term. I have the Sony 34XBR960, and it's the same thing for me. I put the TV in Full mode, and I'm all set on games in WS.

It's not a problem that you should be worried about.
post #154 of 1354
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Originally Posted by bjenkins View Post


the hud in halo should have no distortion when displayed in 16:9. there was an issue with this when the game was first release but it has been patched an corrected.

I remember the patch you are talking about having something to do with 480P but I was not aware that they did anything to fix the distorted HUD. Like I said my 50" sony does the same thing and these two sets are the only ones I have played on 16X9. It's not been a problem but I'd still like to know for sure that this has been fixed. I'm having trouble understanding how the HUD could be right on one TV but not another. The XBOX does not care what display is hooked up to the end of the component cables and it's sending out the same signal to all. Everything on the screen is stretched when in full and it just so happens that the stretch makes everything but the HUD be in the correct 16X9 porportion.
post #155 of 1354
that's why i'm so frustratred with games on this tv. on my mitsubishi, when halo 2 was first released, the hud was a little distorted and cut off. once the patch was released, it was no longer distorted or cut off. i think the problem is that the sony tv's are not recognizing the game systems as a 16:9 source. my mitsubishi and phillips sets display 16:9 games in thier native formats but the sony tv indicates that the image from the games are 4:3 480p and it then has to be stretched to 16:9 by using the "full" mode.
post #156 of 1354
Here are more threads on this same topic:
Panny Projector with the same problem -
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ght=halo+2+HUD
Here is another Panny with the same problem -
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...UD#post5583755

From what I have read this morning the update to Halo 2 only fixed 480P split screen HUD issues and the 16X9 is still not right. Everything else on the screen is correct when in "full" mode. For some reason the Xbox/game is not sending the proper 16X9 message tag to the TV and that's why it defaults to standard. The proper way of looking at the problem is that the image is squeezed into the standard format rather than stretched in the full format.
post #157 of 1354
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Originally Posted by bjenkins View Post

that's why i'm so frustratred with games on this tv. on my mitsubishi, when halo 2 was first released, the hud was a little distorted and cut off. once the patch was released, it was no longer distorted or cut off. i think the problem is that the sony tv's are not recognizing the game systems as a 16:9 source. my mitsubishi and phillips sets display 16:9 games in thier native formats but the sony tv indicates that the image from the games are 4:3 480p and it then has to be stretched to 16:9 by using the "full" mode.

Go put Halo 2 on that TV and check out the HUD. I bet you a steak dinner that the HUD is stretched. yeah the TV may see the image as 16X9 and display it that way without you having to do any "full mode" change but there is no way that HUD will be correct.
post #158 of 1354
so, do you want to drive to texas for that steak dinner or do i have to drive to alabama?
post #159 of 1354
I can get an open box XS955 for $899 (w/ scratches on the cabinet,) but do the SuperFine CRT and CableCard capability make it a better deal than the HS420 for $715? Is the difference in picture quality that great?
post #160 of 1354
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Originally Posted by J.C. Eagle View Post

I can get an open box XS955 for $899 (w/ scratches on the cabinet,) but do the SuperFine CRT and CableCard capability make it a better deal than the HS420 for $715? Is the difference in picture quality that great?


I saw HS420 and XS955 side-by-side and found picture quality noticably better on XS955. Also check if you are interested in Toshiba. I saw Toshiba 34HF85 for 899 as an openbox item for clearence. So it would be same in case you can find one at your local BestBuy.

best of luck.
post #161 of 1354
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Originally Posted by mjoshi View Post

I saw HS420 and XS955 side-by-side and found picture quality noticably better on XS955. Also check if you are interested in Toshiba. I saw Toshiba 34HF85 for 899 as an openbox item for clearence. So it would be same in case you can find one at your local BestBuy.

best of luck.

I just got back from BB, and unfortunately, upon closer inspection there are some scratches on the open box's screen. The only new XS955 in my area will run $1,200, but that seems a little on the high end.
post #162 of 1354
Hey guys! I just picked up the Sony 30XS955 from Best Buy... a brand new one and used that 15% coupon and am going to be getting the $50 gift card in the mail, all in all, a great deal. One thing though is that I have a cable box from Cablevision. They offer the HDTV for free so it all works out. Anyway, for the actual screen options on the tv, when I have them set to "normal" for both Screen Mode AND 4:3 Default, the analog channels show up with big black bars on the side and then the HDTV channels show up with those black bars on the sides AND then gray bars on the top and bottom AND then another set of gray bars from left to right making the viewing picture for HDTV very small. Am I supposed to leave the options at normal or should they be full or is there just something wrong with my cable box? I called my cable company and they said that the analog channels should be full screen and the HDTV channels should also be full screen as long as the programming is actually being programmed in HD. Any help you guys can provide would be greatly appreciaited as I'm rather new to the whole thing. Thanks!!!
post #163 of 1354
IndyPetey

Set the screen options to full. That should correct the problem.
post #164 of 1354
Thanks. It takes care of the analog but the HDTV channels still have gray bars on the top and bottom. Is it supposed to be this way or should it still be on the whole screen. Also, is the setting it should be at or should it be Wide Zoom or Normal or something. Thanks again!
post #165 of 1354
the correct setting should be for correct aspect ratio
normal for 480i SD connection via svideo, composite, component at 480i, and coax
when the broadcast is widescreen but still 480i, the correct mode is zoom
same for non anamorphic DVDs

for 4x3 aka fullscreen DVDs should use normal mode

for HD and anamorphic DVDs, the correct mode is full mode

if the broadcast is upscaled SD on a HD channel and widescreen the correct mode is zoom

widezoom is a non linear stretch meaning distortion stretch and zoom method to fit 4x3 SD content on your 16:9 screen with little distortion and little loss from zooming

the horizontal and vertical stretch modes for HD inputs are useless IMO
I have never seen a use for them unless it bothers you that some movies are wider than 16x9
and the fact there are 4x3 movies

HD connections are only DVI, HDMI, component and digital coax feeds from an antenna with an ATSC tuner or by passing your cable box and using the QAM tuner built in the TV with or without cable card

IMO, you have either incorrectly setup your cable box or are not using the proper cables
post #166 of 1354
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Originally Posted by IndyPetey View Post

Hey guys! I just picked up the Sony 30XS955 from Best Buy... a brand new one and used that 15% coupon and am going to be getting the $50 gift card in the mail, all in all, a great deal. One thing though is that I have a cable box from Cablevision. They offer the HDTV for free so it all works out. Anyway, for the actual screen options on the tv, when I have them set to "normal" for both Screen Mode AND 4:3 Default, the analog channels show up with big black bars on the side and then the HDTV channels show up with those black bars on the sides AND then gray bars on the top and bottom AND then another set of gray bars from left to right making the viewing picture for HDTV very small. Am I supposed to leave the options at normal or should they be full or is there just something wrong with my cable box? I called my cable company and they said that the analog channels should be full screen and the HDTV channels should also be full screen as long as the programming is actually being programmed in HD. Any help you guys can provide would be greatly appreciaited as I'm rather new to the whole thing. Thanks!!!

how much did you get it for and which bestbuy ? Also what is this 50$ giftcard offer ? I didnot see it when I bought mine this Sunday. Mine was demo model with scratch or dent on TV just some dust as it was in open.
post #167 of 1354
It was $899 then I had a 15% coupon and Best Buy is running a $50 rebate in the form of a gift card which is sent through the mail, it prints out on the receipt ($50 gift card that is). The 15% coupon I had to print off their website and show it to the cashier.

As for my tv hookup, I have an HDMI running to and from my cable box and tv so I guess there might be something wrong with my cable box? I'll find out soon enough. Thanks guys!
post #168 of 1354
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Originally Posted by IndyPetey View Post

It was $899 then I had a 15% coupon and Best Buy is running a $50 rebate in the form of a gift card which is sent through the mail, it prints out on the receipt ($50 gift card that is). The 15% coupon I had to print off their website and show it to the cashier.

As for my tv hookup, I have an HDMI running to and from my cable box and tv so I guess there might be something wrong with my cable box? I'll find out soon enough. Thanks guys!

That is pretty good price for brand new one (sealed in box). When I bought this sunday it didnot print any 50$ rebate receipt. Might be because mine was demo piece. Did it say anything specific on rebate form for new or demo.
post #169 of 1354
i spoke with sony support last night about the issue with 16:9 games being displayed in 4:3. i went through 3 techs and none of them could explain why this is happening but all agreed that it isn't normal. they advised me to call one of thier local service centers to have a tech come out to see if the issue can be resolved by "recalibrating the component inputs."

the specialist tech that i was trasnferred to last, stated, as has been mentioned here, that 480i/480p are 4:3 signals and have to be stretched to fill the screen (this makes sense to me and is a very logical explanation). my question to him was, if that's the case, then how come dvd's played through the consoles are displayed in a 16:9/480i format (verified by pressing the display button on the sony remote). he really didn't have an answer for that, so i pose the question to you guys. my thinking is that if the tv will display dvd's in that format, then surely it should display a native 16:9 game in that format as well.

i'm gonna leave it at that. i don't want to hijack the thread with this issue. i definately recommend this set to anyone considering making the purchase. hdtv and dvd's on this baby is spectacular and i'm positive that games will be too once xbox 360 comes out.
post #170 of 1354
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Originally Posted by bjenkins View Post

i spoke with sony support last night about the issue with 16:9 games being displayed in 4:3. i went through 3 techs and none of them could explain why this is happening but all agreed that it isn't normal. they advised me to call one of thier local service centers to have a tech come out to see if the issue can be resolved by "recalibrating the component inputs."

the specialist tech that i was trasnferred to last, stated, as has been mentioned here, that 480i/480p are 4:3 signals and have to be stretched to fill the screen (this makes sense to me and is a very logical explanation). my question to him was, if that's the case, then how come dvd's played through the consoles are displayed in a 16:9/480i format (verified by pressing the display button on the sony remote). he really didn't have an answer for that, so i pose the question to you guys. my thinking is that if the tv will display dvd's in that format, then surely it should display a native 16:9 game in that format as well.

i'm gonna leave it at that. i don't want to hijack the thread with this issue. i definately recommend this set to anyone considering making the purchase. hdtv and dvd's on this baby is spectacular and i'm positive that games will be too once xbox 360 comes out.

Not that you are going to listen to me any better today than you did yesterday, but here goes again

The Xbox game is not sending the proper 16X9 message tag to the TV. It's a known issue and it's not a problem with the TV. People have had this problem with other TV's than Sony's. It's my understanding that if the signal is sending the proper tag that the TV will go to Full on it's own. Without the tag you have to make it do it. Simple as that. I'm guessing that the DVD signal contains the 16X9 tag. Many people set up their 16X9 displays to go to "full" for 4X3 material and this takes care of the issue as well.

After looking around on AVS yesterday this is a topic that has been talked to death many many times. Use some simple search terms and look around for yourself if you are still having a hard time with the idea of your TV not going to full on it's own. The TV is not the problem.....its the game signal not containing the proper tag. The TV is doing just what they designed it to do.

All that with a big southern smile
post #171 of 1354
Well Cablevision fixed my problem. Basically I was supposed to have my tv set to Video 7 and just had it on channel 3 which was causing all the bars heh. Something so simple yet never crossed my mind. Analog and HDTV channels are both set to full mode which I'm going to guess is the right one. If I set analog to normal then there are still the black bars on the side so for full screen I'm just setting it to full. Don't think there is a PQ difference so it's all good. Thanks guys!
post #172 of 1354
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Originally Posted by mboland View Post

Not that you are going to listen to me any better today than you did yesterday, but here goes again

The Xbox game is not sending the proper 16X9 message tag to the TV. It's a known issue and it's not a problem with the TV. People have had this problem with other TV's than Sony's. It's my understanding that if the signal is sending the proper tag that the TV will go to Full on it's own. Without the tag you have to make it do it. Simple as that. I'm guessing that the DVD signal contains the 16X9 tag. Many people set up their 16X9 displays to go to "full" for 4X3 material and this takes care of the issue as well.

After looking around on AVS yesterday this is a topic that has been talked to death many many times. Use some simple search terms and look around for yourself if you are still having a hard time with the idea of your TV not going to full on it's own. The TV is not the problem.....its the game signal not containing the proper tag. The TV is doing just what they designed it to do.

All that with a big southern smile

i guess i've just been reluctant to accept that due to the fact that everything is fine with my other sets without me having to make any adjustments. i appreciate your southern hospitality and putting up with me the past few days, thanks a bunch
post #173 of 1354
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Originally Posted by bjenkins View Post

i guess i've just been reluctant to accept that due to the fact that everything is fine with my other sets without me having to make any adjustments. i appreciate your southern hospitality and putting up with me the past few days, thanks a bunch

No problem. BTW You never gave an update on the HUD on your other display. Be sure you pick up a weapon that will show off the stretch good. It may look round at first but it's not. That motion sensor may look round but it's not either. If those displays allow you to change from full to normal try that as well.

I'm looking forward to the Xbox 360 so we can forget about all this stuff. That's why I bought this TV. 360 baby!
post #174 of 1354
i never bothered to connect the xbox back up to that tv. after spending 2 hours on the phone with sony support last night, i just wanted to kick back and enjoy some nba in hd. i must say, it's gonna be hard to go back to watching sports on the rear projection set, the picture on this tube tv is simply amazing.
post #175 of 1354
I have a question for you guys who game on this TV with 480P/i and 16X9. From what I have read on the boards I have found two setups that people tend to use. I have not seen both discussed a lot and never in the same place. I thought I'd bring them up here to see what you guys think looks best.

Setup #1:
Xbox Set to 16X9 and 480P
XS955 set to Pro picture and adjusted for taste; clear edge turned off; color axis set to monitor
Rationale: 480P is better than 480i so this must be better and the Pro setting takes out most of the "jaggies".

Setup #2:
Xbox set to 16X9 and 480i
XS955 set to a modified standard setting that is a compromise between standard and pro; clear edge turned off, color axis set to default; DRC set to interlaced (sub question.is interlaced or progressive better for gaming with respect to DRC? I always thought that progressive was better for moving and interlaced for still but the user manual says just the opposite in the using the menus section.)
Rationale: For this TV's DRC capability to be used it must have a 480i signal. The picture is "softer" than the 480P setup but the jaggies are almost gone completely.

I guess the bottom line is if the TV's DRC up-conversion of 480i is better or worse than the 480P up-conversion. I'm looking for the best possible picture that also gets the jaggies to a minimum.

Out of the box on the standard picture setting with 480P 16x9 was about the worst display of jaggies I have ever seen!
post #176 of 1354
Bummer update on Sonystyle warranty: Just got off the phone with SONY, and they are now claiming that the price of the warranty is based on list price of the tv, not price paid. So basically, even if you paid $750 for the tv, you have to pay the $1000-$1500 warranty price, which is 50% higher. Pretty stupid that warranty on tv that cost me $750 costs the same as warranty for $1499 set.
post #177 of 1354
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Originally Posted by J.C. Eagle View Post

I can get an open box XS955 for $899 (w/ scratches on the cabinet,) but do the SuperFine CRT and CableCard capability make it a better deal than the HS420 for $715? Is the difference in picture quality that great?

*Yes.*

Why? You won't need that BBB (Big Bulky Box) for your local HD channels (the built-in unencrypted QAM tuner will handle those) if you have merely *analog cable*; if you absolutely MUST have the pay digital and/or HD services (ESPNHD, HBO HDTV, etc.) you simply get a CableCARD (PC Card-type device that slides into the rear of the set, thus taking up no space). Last, and certainly far from *least*, even if you are watching plain old fashoined old-school analog over-the-air TV via antenna (indoor OR outdoor) the SuperFinePitch CRT in the XS (and XBR) series is, quite literally, the SAME CRT used in the infamous Trinitron Professional Series that the same stations use in their control rooms as a reference source. (In plain English, it is, quiter simply, the best CRT technology available to consumers. Period.)
post #178 of 1354
Guys finally today BestBuy delivere my TV to my home. So far it looks good, question for all what you use to get HD broadcast ? I've Comcast HDTV box but as per what I'm reading in above post you need just cablecard to get all your channels no need to have bulky cable box sitting around. So how this work ? Also is there a website from which I can find out what all HD channels I'm getting in my area using OTA ? Also what is choice of people on this forum for OTA antenna ? I'm really missing Discovery HD. Any idea if it is free with OTA or you need to subscribe thru Comcast for it.
post #179 of 1354
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Originally Posted by mjoshi View Post

Guys finally today BestBuy delivere my TV to my home. So far it looks good, question for all what you use to get HD broadcast ? I've Comcast HDTV box but as per what I'm reading in above post you need just cablecard to get all your channels no need to have bulky cable box sitting around. So how this work ? Also is there a website from which I can find out what all HD channels I'm getting in my area using OTA ? Also what is choice of people on this forum for OTA antenna ? I'm really missing Discovery HD. Any idea if it is free with OTA or you need to subscribe thru Comcast for it.

You should be able to get local HD channels (ABC, NBC, etc.) just by plugging the coax cable in the back of your TV and doing an auto scan for the channel (or typing them in if you know them - I had to do this for some of my channels since the TV didn't find them for some reason). Discovery HD you will probably have to pay for, and you can rent a cablecard from your cable company instead of using that box.
post #180 of 1354
Quote:
Well Cablevision fixed my problem. Basically I was supposed to have my tv set to Video 7 and just had it on channel 3 which was causing all the bars heh. Something so simple yet never crossed my mind. Analog and HDTV channels are both set to full mode which I'm going to guess is the right one. If I set analog to normal then there are still the black bars on the side so for full screen I'm just setting it to full. Don't think there is a PQ difference so it's all good. Thanks guys!

analogue broadcast or SDTV is not 16x9, it is suppose to be 4x3 with black bars

have you never owned a TV before? TVs were 4x3 long before 16x9 TVs!!
have you never watched a widescreen DVD on an older TV, they have black bars on top and bottom

I mean you can by all means stretch or zoom the image all you want
but thats not the correct aspect ratio!!!

the correct mode is whatever you prefer, but if you want the correct aspect ratio
then there will be black bars on non HD sources
and black bars on top and bottom for DVDs that are wider than 16x9.

Quote:
XS955 set to a modified standard setting that is a compromise between standard and pro; clear edge turned off, color axis set to default; DRC set to interlaced (sub question.is interlaced or progressive better for gaming with respect to DRC? I always thought that progressive was better for moving and interlaced for still but the user manual says just the opposite in the using the menus section.)

more than likely 480i vs 480p is just a preference issue
logically I agree with you, you would think that 480p is better
but it really does depend on what you percieve as better

Quote:
I guess the bottom line is if the TV's DRC up-conversion of 480i is better or worse than the 480P up-conversion. I'm looking for the best possible picture that also gets the jaggies to a minimum.

probably depends on if the game is really 480p native or just deinterlacing itself
then it would be which device has the better scalar

Quote:
the SAME CRT used in the infamous Trinitron Professional Series that the same stations use in their control rooms as a reference source. (In plain English, it is, quiter simply, the best CRT technology available to consumers. Period.)

are you sure? if so thats incredible, cause those professional CRTs are quite unreal
able to do both 720p and 1080p scan rates

Quote:
So far it looks good, question for all what you use to get HD broadcast ? I've Comcast HDTV box but as per what I'm reading in above post you need just cablecard to get all your channels no need to have bulky cable box sitting around. So how this work ? Also is there a website from which I can find out what all HD channels I'm getting in my area using OTA ? Also what is choice of people on this forum for OTA antenna ? I'm really missing Discovery HD. Any idea if it is free with OTA or you need to subscribe thru Comcast for it.

the cable card decrypts all the digital and HD digital channels you subscribe to
the coax line goes straight from your wall to TV

and then you would use the TV's built in guide

antennaweb.org

I personally get my HD source from Over the Air as it is my only option in my apartments which have contracted with a Directv dealer

outdoor antenna are the best option
but if you need an indoor
the DB2 is the best option but large
then the Radio Shack 15-1880
and then the Zenith Silver Sensor


you can only get the locals over the air, just like analogue TV
meaning ABC, CBS, etc...

HD discovery is only available through cable

also you should check out the HD forums here at AVS
and you should know that many HD channels many times only locals are unencrypted meaning you can get them by connecting the coax from wall to TV
with basic cable service
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