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post #1441 of 1900
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Did anyone watch the special on local news last night about cutting costs and ditching pay TV? I thought it was supposed to be on WCCO but I tuned in late and didn't see it. I checked out WCCO.COM but saw nothing about it

I think you're thinking of a segment that will air on KARE11's 10 PM news tonight (Monday). They've been hyping up an "Extra" they will air during the newscast that will explain to viewers how to "cut the cord" and ditch pay-TV services.
post #1442 of 1900
You must be right then, I generally watch KARE but thought for some reason I saw the promo on WCCO, thanks I'll tune in tonight then(if I had watched KARE as usual last night, instead of WCCO I would have probably saw the promo)
post #1443 of 1900
http://www.kare11.com/news/money/art...nd-on-the-rise


PLYMOUTH, Minn. - Shelly Feldman and her two daughters are in a brand new apartment. Recently single, Feldman is trying to find a few financial shortcuts. Her first cut - the luxury of cable television.

"I need it but I don't have it. I'm saving a lot of money not doing it," she said, flipping through a handful of off-air channels. "I'm fine. I don't even have the inkling to get it; not to say I don't go to people's houses and want to watch their TV," Feldman added with a chuckle, admitting she misses plenty of her favorite reality TV shows.

Doug Mamer of East Lake Electronics knows where Feldman is coming from.

"It's the first bill you look at and wonder; do I need it?" said Mamer.

Mamer installs antennas for customers on a weekly, and sometimes, daily basis. He says in most parts of the metro a simple indoor antenna is all that is necessary, and after a quick and easy scan, consumers get some pretty good options.

"In fact, when we started, we've been doing this two-and-a-half years now that they changed to digital, we'd do the installs and pick-up a dozen stations and that'd be good. Now it is 38 stations," Mamer explained.

"The antenna sales have been booming the last couple of years," Mamer's antenna distributor, Mike Ness, said. Ness owns St. Paul-based Ness Electronics, and ships off hardware to all parts of the Midwest. "Their retail customers have just gotten to the point where $100 for cable TV or satellite just is too much," he said.

Ness argues the HD signal through the antenna is better than satellite or cable. Do you need a huge antenna on your roof?

"The farther out from Shoreview that you get, the bigger the antenna you would have to use. If you're within 20 miles you can just use the standard set top," Ness said.

It's when you start to get 30, 40, and 50 miles from the massive Shoreview TV towers, you may need more hard-core hardware on your roof, explained Ness.

You can find out what you'll need to pull in a signal by logging on to antennaweb.org.

There is also a sizeable movement afoot as consumers try to catch television off the internet.

"I do get one or more a day that are like 'hey, I've ditched this. What do you got for me?' It's the new thing, it's quite common. You can save a lot of money and still get a lot of great content online," Best Buy Blue Shirt Jeff Yelverton said as he led us around the Eden Prairie store.

Yelverton says Roku and AppleTV are becoming very popular pieces of equipment that guide the online content onto your TV. He also says Amazon Prime, at around $80 a year, has proven quite popular for people who are seeking multiple channels. Netflix and Hulu are also well liked, and both will run you in the vicinity of $8 a month.

Still, there are some customer concerns at the counter.

"What they're more leery on is how much access they're actually going to have to shows. How much content is actually out there? They're afraid that maybe one or two shows a week... you're kind of at the whim of the internet at that point," Yelverton warned.

"We're bringing more and more content," Mary Beth Schubert, a Vice President of Corporate Affairs at Comcast, was quick to tell KARE 11. Comcast provides cable to a good portion of the Twin Cities metro area. Citing competitive reason, Schubert couldn't tell us if local cable subscriptions are up or down, but she did say numbers are up nationally.

Nielsen, which monitors the industry, reports in April of 2012, almost 82 percent of TV watchers in the Twin Cities television market used cable or satellite while about 18 percent used the "over the air" signal.

Comcast is branching out by providing its TV service to your computer and smart phone. ESPN has signed on. Sports programming is just one thing folks cutting the cable cord seem to be missing.

"You can get all of the four different ESPN programs that are available on an app if you're a Comcast customer. That's an example of where we want to be, where our customers are anytime, anyplace, on any device," Schubert explained.

"The only thing I miss really is live sports," Arik Hanson of Minneapolis admitted.

Hanson, a well known blogger and communication expert, recently wrote about his family's decision to "quit the dish."

"The biggest thing is we don't watch so much TV. I've read three books in the last couple of months, which is a lot for me," he said.

Hanson lives in one of those signal-tricky areas of the metro so he needed to buy and install an antenna on the roof of his south Minneapolis home. The hardware cost him $100 and the install cost him another $100. He says those are one-time costs, as was his AppleTV box.

Overall, the family is spending $21 per month on TV when you add up subscriptions to Hulu and Netflix, in addition to an estimated $5 per month spent renting movies from Redbox. The Hanson's old satellite bill was $100 so the savings come in at $79 per month.

It adds up to almost $950 a year; that's money Hanson will give to his kids.

"That's all just money we're going to put in their college fund," he concluded.

You don't have to be a finance major, a computer science major, or a technical wizard to make this TV decision. Cable, satellite, or none of the above? Only you know what you can afford and what you can and can't live without.
post #1444 of 1900
Not that I thought they would but they didn't address the issue that AFAIK online streaming sources are limiting the streaming of pay TV only programs to people that can prove they subscribe to pay TV.....unless this is just a though and not happening yet. To entice people into pay TV it would sure make sense for such a thing to happen
post #1445 of 1900
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Not that I thought they would but they didn't address the issue that AFAIK online streaming sources are limiting the streaming of pay TV only programs to people that can prove they subscribe to pay TV.....unless this is just a thought and not happening yet.

It's happening already. The HBO Go service requires that people be current subscribers to a pay TV package with HBO. Also, here's the dirt about Hulu's supposed plans to require users to prove they subscribe to pay TV.

The thing that stood out about last night's story to me (and it's the same with every similar report I see) is that the stations doing these reports always miss an opportunity to self-promote their own OTA offerings. Many people don't know about the high audio/video quality of free broadcast network programming (and in the case of KARE, the quality of both local and syndicated programming as well.)

It would make sense for them to somehow seriously convey that not only are you saving money but the picture and sound are the same or better than what you get from a pay service. They could even have a reporter visit the homes of some cable and satellite users, show them how easy it is to connect an antenna, and capture their response to the results on camera. Sure, they'd have to pick volunteers from areas that are likely to get the best reception, but at least that would likely get viewers seriously motivated to give it a try themselves.

I also have to wonder if they didn't limit the report a bit due to the fact that Comcast owns NBC now, and it wouldn't be good to get the network mad at them by giving viewers decisive evidence that they don't need to give the parent company any more of their money.

Oh well, I really can't complain too much since it's always good to see any kind of report reminding people that free TV is still here and available to anyone willing to connect an antenna to their TV.
post #1446 of 1900
I'm wondering where the low power TV stations broadcast from. I've learned that channels 16 and 25 transmit from the IDS center. From my home near 394 and 169 my TV antenna picks up a decent signal even though it's aimed toward Shoreview. However, 33, 43 and 62 come in great with a very strong signal. Does anyone here know where they transmit from? I read that 62 (RF31) and 50 come from somewhere in Shoreview.50 is very weak, though 62 is very strong. Is there another tower besides the 2 sets of towers used by the commercial channels and channel 2? Again I wonder where 33 and 43 come from.

I also read that Channel 25 was bought by an owner of Screen Gems. I wonder if the programming will change to something entertainment based.
post #1447 of 1900
33 and 43 are on IDS.

- Trip
post #1448 of 1900
Is anyone else irritated as heck that 45.5(or the old 5.2) is still broadcasting a constant scroll advising people if they are looking for channel 45 to tune to 5.45.....I mean they moved almost a year ago if people haven't noticed by now I really doubt they will.
I for one like to watch 5.2 daily(yes it still comes in on 5.2 on my media room Sony LCD) because I can't always catch the news when it's on on 5.1. I am annoyed by that stupid scroll though, TURN IT OFF ALREADY kstp
post #1449 of 1900
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

.....Is anyone else irritated as heck that 45.5(or the old 5.2) is still broadcasting a constant scroll advising people if they are looking for channel 45 to tune to 5.45.....

Have you emailed them yet about this issue? If not, I would encourage you do do it. I think hearing from a viewer might be good in this case.
post #1450 of 1900
I wouldn't be surprised if someone high up at KSTP demanded the constant scroll as a condition to go along with the funky channel mapping. At least they've now moved the scroll to the top of the screen where it won't block the name and location titles at the bottom anymore.

I continue to find the mapping of it so unnatural that I still sometimes have to pause and think about what to enter to manually tune the news repeats. They would have been much better off keeping them at 5-2, even if they want to have KSTC on 5-45.

I do sometimes wonder if the constant motion of the scroll has any negative effect on 5-1's picture quality, but I guess I'm willing to put up with both the scroll and any possible picture degradation for the sake of having the news available at more convenient times.
post #1451 of 1900
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Originally Posted by Jim1348 View Post

Have you emailed them yet about this issue? If not, I would encourage you do do it. I think hearing from a viewer might be good in this case.

Actually I did right after I typed my rant I wasn't sure if any KSTP people still frequented this thread anymore. I've been wanting the scroll to go away after the first month, then 3 months, then 6 months and now that it's approaching a year(or it sure feels like it) I figured I'd say something about it.

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Originally Posted by TCDTV View Post

I wouldn't be surprised if someone high up at KSTP demanded the constant scroll as a condition to go along with the funky channel mapping. At least they've now moved the scroll to the top of the screen where it won't block the name and location titles at the bottom anymore.

I continue to find the mapping of it so unnatural that I still sometimes have to pause and think about what to enter to manually tune the news repeats. They would have been much better off keeping them at 5-2, even if they want to have KSTC on 5-45.

I do sometimes wonder if the constant motion of the scroll has any negative effect on 5-1's picture quality, but I guess I'm willing to put up with both the scroll and any possible picture degradation for the sake of having the news available at more convenient times.

I also really dislike the mapping but I'm glad at least it still comes in on 5.2 on the TV I watch the most. All other TVs are the new way so like you I have to think every time I want to watch the news channel. Is it 5.45 or 45.5 IMO it should be: 5.1 KSTP HD, 5.2 News, 5.3 Me, 5.4 This and finally 5.45 channel 45, skip 45 for everything other than the actual channel that some of the 5's are broadcast on, at least thats the way it would be in my world
I agree the scroll on the top is better than the bottom but do we really still need it
post #1452 of 1900
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Originally Posted by Runch Machine View Post

I'm wondering where the low power TV stations broadcast from. I've learned that channels 16 and 25 transmit from the IDS center. From my home near 394 and 169 my TV antenna picks up a decent signal even though it's aimed toward Shoreview. However, 33, 43 and 62 come in great with a very strong signal. Does anyone here know where they transmit from? I read that 62 (RF31) and 50 come from somewhere in Shoreview.50 is very weak, though 62 is very strong. Is there another tower besides the 2 sets of towers used by the commercial channels and channel 2? Again I wonder where 33 and 43 come from.

I also read that Channel 25 was bought by an owner of Screen Gems. I wonder if the programming will change to something entertainment based.

16, 25, 33 & 43 are on IDS
50 & 62 are in Shoreview

50 is at lower power than 15k last I checked

I'm west of Valleyfair and get all fine but the IDS ones are way stronger than the 2 in Shoreview
post #1453 of 1900
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Is anyone else irritated as heck that 45.5(or the old 5.2) is still broadcasting a constant scroll advising people if they are looking for channel 45 to tune to 5.45.....I mean they moved almost a year ago if people haven't noticed by now I really doubt they will.
I for one like to watch 5.2 daily(yes it still comes in on 5.2 on my media room Sony LCD) because I can't always catch the news when it's on on 5.1. I am annoyed by that stupid scroll though, TURN IT OFF ALREADY kstp

YES!!
YES!!
YES!!

Turn that damn scroll off. I emailed KSTP a couple times to no avail
post #1454 of 1900
I know we Minnesotans love our weather, but really?

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/art...ccuWeather.php
post #1455 of 1900
The weirdness on 11-2 could definitely use some competition to improve things, but I think we've already got our weather channel needs more than covered between that mess and 2-4. Still, if the format of the new channel is more useful than 11-2, I won't be complaining. Unfortunately, I'm guessing it'll probably just be more of the same.

I wonder if this will replace 9-2, or if it will be added as an additional sub. I've recently been troubleshooting reception in a room where for some reason 9-1 just won't come in reliably, and I have been thankful to have the simulcast on 9-2 to fall back on when I need it. Regardless of whether it's going to be a new channel or a replacement channel, it sounds like this is a done deal, so I guess we'll all just have to accept it, good or bad.
post #1456 of 1900
Also there is that new Spanish station MundoFox or whatever its called coming in August. I assume they will carry it here as its O&O but where will they put it? another subchannel? I know Fox doesnt like to use subchannels except in a few markets where they own another station and they sue the Cross promoting thing
post #1457 of 1900
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

I know Fox doesnt like to use subchannels except in a few markets where they own another station and they sue the Cross promoting thing

rant on
FOX owns My29 in our market and IMO they could load it up with sub channels since I watch NOTHING on that channel anyway. I guess some people like Big Bang and 2 1/2 men(which seems to compromise 50% of channel 29s programming) but IMO currently 29 is a waste of bandwidth and I'd welcome loading it with subs, heck even 29.1 could go SD for all I care, it's all reruns anyway
rant off
I am starting to watch The CW(ch23) a little(couple original programs I like) but I see nothing original on MyTV. I don't watch a lot on ION(ch41) but my kids like Qubo and they do seem to air some decent movies.
post #1458 of 1900
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

rant on
FOX owns My29 in our market

I'm in the Minneapolis market (down by Valleyfair) so I know Fox own My29 too. Why else would they allow the .2 channels on each station (9 & 29) be on the others RF channel?

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and IMO they could load it up with sub channels since I watch NOTHING on that channel anyway. I guess some people like Big Bang and 2 1/2 men(which seems to compromise 50% of channel 29s programming)

its only 2 hours a day of those....But they also like to have duplicate showings of Nate Berkus and that b**ch Wendy Williams too (they're mainly on 9) so yeah put a subchannel like Antenna TV on there would be nice.

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but IMO currently 29 is a waste of bandwidth and I'd welcome loading it with subs, heck even 29.1 could go SD for all I care, it's all reruns anyway
rant off

I agree. That is the issue when most of your stations are owned by huge companies. They dont like competition on their subchannels
4..owned by CBS..no subs on CBS O&O stations
9 & 29...owned by Fox..again no subchannels unless they own the My affiliate too...then sometimes they cross promote on the .2 station
11..owned by Gannett.....loves the 24/7 weather on .2

Thank goodness Sinclair likes subchannels and Hubard has added some too
Really sad that some smaller markets have better options for subchannels. While places like us have 28 religious options
post #1459 of 1900
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

its only 2 hours a day of those....But they also like to have duplicate showings of Nate Berkus and that b**ch Wendy Williams too (they're mainly on 9) so yeah put a subchannel like Antenna TV on there would be nice.

Seems like more, but then since my tweens watch them it seems like they are on all the time, I know at times they have marathons where they seem to be on all primetime
Yep, one showing of both those "SD" shows(NB and WW) is more than enough!

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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

While places like us have 28 religious options

+1, don't forget our 2(last time I looked) shopping channels I'd really like to know how many people know about or watch those channels. I can't imagine at any given time more than a dozen or so would be watching(the shopping channels) but what do I know
post #1460 of 1900
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+1, don't forget our 2(last time I looked) shopping channels

I know of HSN (43)? What other one?

The only reason I knew about it was when I did a scan and it popped up
post #1461 of 1900
great example of a small market area utilizing subchannels
Wausau Wisconsin has on channels
My (on CBS)
CW (ABC)
ThisTV (ABC)
Antenna TV (NBC)
MeTV (Fox)
RTV (Fox)

I would LOVE to get Antenna TV.....but dont want to lose CoolTV or Country Network (do like those on in the background)
post #1462 of 1900
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

I know of HSN (43)? What other one?

The only reason I knew about it was when I did a scan and it popped up

HSN 43 is also the only one I seem to be able to find now, I think the other one was QVC?? although maybe it went away with the analogs.
Speaking of analogs I was surprised to find only one analog left in the Twin Cities, channel 13 Univision. Last I checked we still had quite a few LP analogs, they must have all changed to digital or went off the air.
post #1463 of 1900
There use to be a ShopNBC a few years ago if I remember right (yep...web archive to the rescue...was on 62 back before it was Daystar)

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Speaking of analogs I was surprised to find only one analog left in the Twin Cities, channel 13 Univision. Last I checked we still had quite a few LP analogs, they must have all changed to digital or went off the air.

Analogs as of the DTV conversion in 09
7 Telefutura or Daystar at the end...owned by Equity broadcasting which went belly up. No buyers...license turned back in
13 Univision...still there. Couldnt upgrade analog due to short spacing with 13 Eau Claire and 13 St Cloud. 13 St Cloud is off the air and 13 Eau Claire is on 38 now. No digital channel assigned yet. owned by Equity broadcasting which went belly up. Owned by Fusion which is a uplinker. I remember when it was a MTV2 affiliate
14 3ABN...digital 33 now (no remap)
19 EWTN...is on 16 now (no remap)
25 TBN....flash cut to digital
43..HSN..flash cut recently
62..Daystar...31 digital maps to 62
post #1464 of 1900
The Wolves are back! Pay attention Twins and Wild.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story...on-partnership

The Minnesota Timberwolves and WFTC My 29 today announced the two parties have reached an agreement to renew their television partnership for the upcoming 2012-13 NBA season. The Wolves' over-the-air television schedule with WFTC My 29 may include as many as 25 regular-season games, all of which will be available in HD. The specific games to be broadcast will be announced at a later date.
post #1465 of 1900
Alot of that probably has to due with the amount of non-televised games this past year. Even with FSN North + there were still times when the Wolfies were the odd man out and weren't televised

The Wild really need to come back to 45. It was nice to have 20+ games a year on 45

Even 23 or 45 should carry some Saints games. 23 use to carry them years ago then 45 took over a couple years ago
post #1466 of 1900
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Originally Posted by mile_r7 View Post

I know we Minnesotans love our weather, but really?

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/art...ccuWeather.php

I'm not sure we should be assuming this will be a TV subchannel. When I read phrases like "a 24/7 live streaming video weather channel" and see a quote from the Fox Television Stations' vice president of digital media and internet operations, I think more of an internet weather stream that will be marketed toward people with smartphones and internet-connected TVs. Maybe it'll also be something available on Mobile DTV, which should be receiving larger and larger amounts of publicity soon.

Another article (http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/5...her-partner-up) elaborates on the "on air" content that the Fox stations included in this deal should be getting: "enhanced meteorological data and extended forecasts, weather-related news and videos, interactive radar, and tailored forecasts related to how weather conditions may affect certain medical conditions, traveling plans and other outdoor activities."
post #1467 of 1900
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

Alot of that probably has to due with the amount of non-televised games this past year. Even with FSN North + there were still times when the Wolfies were the odd man out and weren't televised

The Wild really need to come back to 45. It was nice to have 20+ games a year on 45

Even 23 or 45 should carry some Saints games. 23 use to carry them years ago then 45 took over a couple years ago

I think the biggest reason was due to the NBA lockout as far as not having any games on last season. It's nice to see they've doubled the number of games they are showing from the last season that My29 did the games. FSN will be doing 50 games according to the Strib this morning.

I'm not into the Saints but I wouldn't be against having more sports OTA. 45 showed some Swarm games this season though they always had the aspect ratio screwed up.
post #1468 of 1900
I love this quote: "We are excited to be returning to My29 for our over-the-air partner" said Timberwolves President Chris Wright. "My29 has proved to have a strong commitment to local programming, and continues to be a great fit for our franchise."

Local programming? I think they have one public affairs program on in the weekends, and that's probably it for local programming.
post #1469 of 1900
It looks like KSTP may have given up on using its sub (now 45-5) to carry live news events like they did with the old 5-2 mapping. I noticed yesterday that WCCO carried the President's speech from Golden Valley live during its noon news, but KSTP just had a scroll referring people to their website rather than directing people to 45-5. I tuned it in just to check, and sure enough they did not carry the speech on 45-5.

Directing people to turn off the TV and move over to a computer or other connected device seems contrary to what a TV broadcaster with a free subchannel like KSTP should be doing. Forcing people online for live news will only push more people away from broadcast TV, and it could push the dedicated OTA viewer to watch another channel (in this case, I watched WCCO since KSTP didn't carry it.) Given KSTP's recent commitment to providing so much content OTA, it seems an odd choice for them to make at this point.
post #1470 of 1900
^^^very good point
It's not like they'd be interrupting anything important on 45.5 anyway, they only use if for news repeats(which I like to watch) but I wouldn't be too upset if it were preempted by a live news event. I'm just glad they didn't preempt the HD channel like WCCO did, an event like this is what the subs are for IMO.
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