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post #271 of 4081
Well, all I can say is that I HOPE this is simply a case of bad tuners or controllers and not a more widespread problem due to a poor design. If you can't run cable directly into your TV with a box, how do they expect you to watch TV with a cable card??? I really wish more people out there were running direct cable as their setup. Then we might have more people to probe on this issue.

I'm off to return my TV now...
post #272 of 4081
hrmm my OTA antenna does that i should really order cable/satellite soon i hope it doesnt drop like the OTA antenna...
post #273 of 4081
So, Wow what a deal, due to cable card, just for price of standard cable you get high def cable free? am I right?
post #274 of 4081
Hey guys new to this forum... so I just got the 620 model coming in this sat... can't wait... anyway couple of things I heard the GWIII upconvert something higher then 720p something like 766p not sure... but anyway I'm hooking up a HTPC box to it and before I set it up at 720p I want to make sure if the tv upconverts it what I should set it at... I know there will be issues getting it aligned properly etc but what is the IDEAL resolution on these tvs? I know there is a res that's recomended by sony I'm not sure if that's native though because of the upconversion...

I just want to get it setup to run on one resolution on the HTPC and leave it at that and tweak settings to get it perfectly on the one res... so anyone know what it is?
post #275 of 4081
Has anyone seen the KDF-55WF655 & KDF-50WE655 side by side OR seen both at seperate stores. Are they about equal in picture quality? I will be viewing from 8 feet.

Is there SDE from 8 feet on either one of these sets?
post #276 of 4081
The WF looked much better to me but anybody could have changed the settings on either set before I saw them.
post #277 of 4081
Quote:


Originally posted by abarsami
Has anyone seen the KDF-55WF655 & KDF-50WE655 side by side OR seen both at seperate stores. Are they about equal in picture quality? I will be viewing from 8 feet.

Is there SDE from 8 feet on either one of these sets?

The service manual shows them to use the same major components on the circuit block diagram.
post #278 of 4081
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Originally posted by umr
The service manual shows them to use the same major components on the circuit block diagram.

Is this the same for the WF & XS?
post #279 of 4081
Mig213,

Guess what, I got my second 42WE655 home and set up and it's experiencing the same "channel locking" problem that the other one had. What's going on???

Again, my setup is a follows...standard cable from my wall directly connected to the Cable input on the TV. I do have an active cable modem connection. The strange thing about all of this is that I'm receiving quite a bit of HD programming that I probably shouldn't be getting...SHO-HD, HBO-HD, INHD, INHD2, HDNET, FOXHD, etc. I do not have a cable card or a cable box connected to my TV. I do not subscribe to any pay channels. I only had SD analog programming with my old TV.

So, I'm beginning to think that a memory problem isn't what's troubling my TV. The question now is, what is all of this unauthorized content doing to my TV??? This doesn't make any sense...or does it. I wouldn't think that the signal could be screwing with my TV.

Anyone care to chime in? This is driving me nuts!!!
post #280 of 4081
Xlent,

I'm confused by your post...are you stating that your 655 is experiencing the same channel locking problem that Mig213 and I are both seeing with our TV's but with the UHF/VHF input and an antenna connection? When you turn your TV off, does it get "stuck" on the last channel and loose it's memory of all other channels?
post #281 of 4081
I'm getting mixed info regarding the KDF42WE655 built in tuner(s). Sony advertises the set having an ATSC tuner for OTA HD broadcasts. I tried to read all these postings & perhaps I missed something, but can this set receive HD via cable? It appears some people are using a cable STB, and others are not. Is this correct? I ask because I have seen other manufacturers advertise their sets as having a QAM tuner in order to receive HD cable. But I do not see Sony listing a QAM tuner. What am I missing here?

Mike
post #282 of 4081
The Sony can receive OTA standard and HD signals. It can receive HD cable. With a cablecard, the Sony onboard tuner can receive any premium cable channels you subscribe to without using a cable box. It does an extremely good job of SD from any source, and brilliant HD from cable or an antenna. The only thing it doesn't do is pay your cable bill.
post #283 of 4081
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Originally posted by arkid
Is this the same for the WF & XS?

Maybe, I don't have all the details on the XS yet. The XS has the same service data options as the WF.
post #284 of 4081
The WE Series HD sets have two separate inputs:

1. UHF/VHF: this tuner will decode all OTA signals both digital and analog.
2. Cable: this tuner will decode both QAM analog and unencrypted "in the clear" digital.

Some people, like me, are using a Cable STB because of its HD DVR...however, I also split the cable and ran one line directly into the Cable port on the back of the Sony.
post #285 of 4081
I have the 42WE655 connected to basic analog cable directly to the TV and have not seen any channel locking issues. Both myself and wife channel surf a lot and change inputs a lot also.
post #286 of 4081
Quote:


Originally posted by riffjim4069
The WE Series HD sets have two separate inputs:

1. UHF/VHF: this tuner will decode all OTA signals both digital and analog.
2. Cable: this tuner will decode both QAM analog and unencrypted "in the clear" digital.

Some people, like me, are using a Cable STB because of its HD DVR...however, I also split the cable and ran one line directly into the Cable port on the back of the Sony.

Riffjim,

So, if I understand you correctly, you're spliting the cable signal between the STB (which goes to the UHF/VHF input) and another cable output (which is run into the Cable input)? Have you noticed any strange behavior with the cable run directly into the Cable input? Both 655's that I have had in the last 3 days have not functioned properly when the cable was directly applied to the Cable input. All channel memory is cleared and the unit is stuck on the last channel before power down. Do you see this effect?

I'm beginning to wonder if running my cable directly into the TV is somehow screwing with the tuner. I can't say whether it's intentional or unintentional. All I know is that I have programming that I shouldn't be receiving and I question whether that isn't somehow related to the problems I'm having.

Does anyone have any thoughts?
post #287 of 4081
Quote:


Originally posted by MEF48
I have the 42WE655 connected to basic analog cable directly to the TV and have not seen any channel locking issues. Both myself and wife channel surf a lot and change inputs a lot also.

Okay, have you noticed that you have content that should be a pay service (like Showtime or HBO) that you didn't get before that you have now? I'm seeing both of those in HD. I never subbed to either before, but I have them now and they're being decoded by my 655's tuner.

I'm just trying to narrow down what the differences are.

How many other people on this board are running cable directly into the Cable input and what channels are you seeing?

I know of one other person so far that is running the cable like I am and is receiving premium content that he never paid for. He's seen the loss of memory/channel lock problem too. Is there a connection?
post #288 of 4081
yes, over last weekend showtime sd was available because it was a free preview weekend. I checked today and there is no signal on those channels now.
post #289 of 4081
Quote:


Originally posted by MEF48
yes, over last weekend showtime sd was available because it was a free preview weekend. I checked today and there is no signal on those channels now.

Well, I still have SHO-HD, HBO-HD, etc. and I never, ever subbed to them. So, why do I still have all those channels?

I should clarify one thing...My initial intent when purchasing my 655 was to purchase satellite service with HD programming. I never intended to keep my cable service. I simply wanted to hook up my TV to my SD cable and watch some programming until I ordered my dish. The free content initially turned out to be a bonus, now I'm not so sure.

All I really want is a TV that behaves in a predictable manner and receives HD content without all of the problems with channel memory/locking that I've been having. I have no issue with paying for programming. This whole thing now comes down to the intellectual curiosity of why the TV is doing what it's doing. If I can have the problem, then so can others. If there's something that Sony isn't telling us, or we don't fully understand how the ATSC tuners really work, then I want to know.
post #290 of 4081
The Sony isn't doing anything magical to get you the HD channels that you don't subscribe to. Your cable company simply hasn't locked the HD channels yet. I'm sure if you ask them to, they will scramble them right away.
post #291 of 4081
I did same thing you are going to do. keep sd cable and use sat for HD. One thing I found funny when i called cable co about cable card. the told me they had cable cards but they were not for HD content? They told me I had to have a box to receive HD programing. Any way I was hoping to be able to get my local channels in HD from cable without a box. This set so new I am sorry I can't comment on the problem your having but if it happens to me I'll let you know.
post #292 of 4081
Quote:


Originally posted by rmullin
The Sony isn't doing anything magical to get you the HD channels that you don't subscribe to. Your cable company simply hasn't locked the HD channels yet. I'm sure if you ask them to, they will scramble them right away.

I agree, there's no magic here. The HD channels are not being scrambled at the moment. The issue is, why is my 655 losing all of it's channel memory that was programmed during the Auto Programming sequence? I find it hard to believe that I exchanged my 1st 655 for another one with the same problem. If that's the case, then Sony is probably producing thousands of units with faulty tuners. The only conclusion I can come to is that somehow (as strange as it may sound), the unscrambled cable content that I'm getting from my provider, is in some way negatively affecting my Cable tuner input.

One note, I did run the Auto Programming sequence this morning with the cable line connected to the UHF/VHF input. I have not yet seen any loss of channel memory when connected in that manner. All of the digital and HD content is gone and I only receive about 20 channels. I can channel surf in this mode. Now, when I switch the connection to the Cable input, the TV is still locked to one channel. I can't channel surf at all. Channels must be manually entered via the key pad.
post #293 of 4081
Quote:


Originally posted by MEF48
I did same thing you are going to do. keep sd cable and use sat for HD. One thing I found funny when i called cable co about cable card. the told me they had cable cards but they were not for HD content? They told me I had to have a box to receive HD programing. Any way I was hoping to be able to get my local channels in HD from cable without a box. This set so new I am sorry I can't comment on the problem your having but if it happens to me I'll let you know.

Mef48,

I think the phone operators for your cable company are as half-retarded as mine. I called my cable company twice and could never get a definitive answer as to whether or not HD content was available. The first person said that it might be and the other said it wasn't. I knew for a fact that the local Listen Up Audio store down the road from me had it. And I know now that I'm getting it.

Anyway, my point being is that your cable provider really doesn't want you to use a cable card because the monthly rental fee on that is only about $1.75 (according to my local provider) and the cost of the HD box is about $8. They just want your money. The operator I spoke with kept telling me how "unhappy" I would be with the cable card because I you don't get the interactive menus. Cable cards only operate in a single direction. It's not bi-directional.

I'd suggest you call again and speak to someone else. Probe them on that point again. I don't see why they would offer cable cards that didn't handle HD. It doesn't make any sense. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
post #294 of 4081
radius360:

I would suggest going into the 'diagnostics' menu and checking the signal quality. Does it show that your cable operator is using 256-QAM or 64-QAM? 64-QAM is more rugged, but has a lower data rate. If you QAM demodulator is taking a lot of errors on a particular channel, maybe it removes it from the channel list. My guess is that maybe you are receiving the 64-QAM signals OK, but 256-QAM is marginal? That would indicate that your cable operator needs to clean up his signal.
post #295 of 4081
For those that are interested in the my channel memory/lock thread...

I just got of the phone with the Sony Apps Engineer that works out the plant where the 655's are produced. We've discussed the problem at length and quite frankly these guys are stumped. They've tried to reproduce the problem at the plant with a cable signal to the Cable input and they don't observe any abnormal operation. The guy is contacting my local BB where I returned the 1st set to see if they can't run some tests on the unit to determine the root cause of the failure.

Suffice to say right now, the guys at the plant have a hard time believing that my cable provider's "free HD content" is causing the problem.

I'll keep you posted on any further developments...
post #296 of 4081
radius360,

Sony repairman just left. He saw the signal drop right before his eyes. And he kep saying "interesting, interesting".

Anyway he tried connecting to the ANT input and he got no signal there. Went back to CABLE input and signal reappeared. He tapped the tv two or three times and the signal blurred, then dropped. He told me there must be something loose internally, probably something with the tuner.

I told him to type in the digital channels and he did and told him these channels never drop and tapped the TV several times and it retained the signal. Now he said that the problem maybe just the analog tuner and the ATSC tuner is ok. He then wrote up his notes and told me that he'll order the parts today (Analog and ATSC tuner) and he'll call me once it arrives. He said that Sony's service database does not have a whole lot of information right now because the product is so new. Hopefully they have the parts for this and this will arrive soon.

Anyway regarding the free HD content I'm getting, I just lost HBO HD, HBo signature and another HBO channel. Still get the local HD broadcasts thru the cable company though.

I read a post asking about this and basically what I heard from a Comcast repairman and the Sony repairman I'm getting it becasue it is in the clear but don't expect this to last long as Comcast will scramble this soon. Which means I either have to install the OTA antenna or pay $5 to Comcast for HD.

Anyway your theory about free HD causing these problems is also "interesting" . I too cannot believe that Quality control @ Sony is that bad. But obviously the repairman thought there is quality issues with the tuner. But I'll believe it when it's repaired. In the meantime, I'll try deleting the HD channels from memory and see what happens. Thanks.

Radius360, what's your location. How come you still have HBO HD. This channel is awesome especially since a lot of their content is 16x9. I'm in the Bay Area BTW.
post #297 of 4081
how much is /month for local cable or std cable with HD?
post #298 of 4081
Has anyone ran a DVE on their tv yet? I have tried to do THX on it and have had some success, but will the DVE give me good results?

By the way, I just got mine sunday and the I have not had any issues with the tuner. I get a few digital channels, about 3 or 4 are local channels that show hd content. I also get all the digital music channels.
post #299 of 4081
ZORO:

I pay about $90 per month for the digital package and both tiers of HD cable (NO HBO or movie extras)..... I also have HD DVR, 2 HD boxes and a standard digital box and those are all extra fees per month.
post #300 of 4081
Mig213,

I'm located in CO. I don't know why I still have unscrambled HDTV. I would imagine that it's because my cable company is too lazy right now to scramble it. I guess they figure that there aren't enough users out there with built in HD tuners.

Good to hear that the repairman was able to observe your dropout issue firsthand. So, were you really experiencing the same channel memory issues that I've seen or was your problem totally different?

If you're game, PM me your contact info and I will forward it on to the Sony Apps engineer at the plant. I'm sure he'd be really interested in speaking to you and the repairman about your troubles with the 655. He seems really eager to get info and investigate problems with the set since it is so new.

I hope your set gets fixed soon. I'm going to wait things out a few more weeks (I still have about 25 days left on the return policy with BB) to see what the Sony guys have to say about my situation. If they can't come up with some reasonable answers/fixes, then I'll more than likely return the unit and get something without a tuner. What's the point in paying for one if I can't use it, right? I'll probably get the Panny. The PQ on those is pretty good and it seems to have all the bells and whistles that the Sony has sans the tuner.

Keep me posted on your progress.
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