GWIV owner thread - Page 17

Have you had chance to really mess about with the advanced video settings? Are there noticable improvements that can be made, it
seems that for the extra money you should be able to do quite a lot with it.
Also, if you made any adjustments is it far different from when you switched on OOTB?
Thanks.

i have messed around with them for alittle while and yes they do make a difference. So of them you have to know your stuff like white balace adjustments : R-GAIN, G-GAIN, B-GAIN, R-BIAS, G-BIAS, AND B-BIAS. Not sure what to do there, i'm sure i'll eventually figure it out, or if anyone has any info or comment on how to please let me know.

I made adjustment once i took it out b/c i know when i display a tv at BB (where i work) they always need atleast some minor adjustments.

From what I can gather so far, I see no evidence that there are any significant (maybe major would be better) differences in the light engines between the WF and XS models. There are firmware differences that provide a few more adjustments to be performed outside the service mode on the XS. These could potentially allow you to improve (or screw up) the picture more so than on the WF. The only other additional upgrades I see are an improved audio/speaker system, and 1 additional HDMI port. Am I missing something... anyone?

The look of XS is definitely more dramatic which I don't take to right away, but it could grow on me.

Not trying to put down this set or anyone who's purchasing it. I think it's a great set. I'm just trying to gather the facts as we go along.

papaduxx - I think the RGB gain and bias adjustments are for calibrating color temperature to be even across the gray scale. I don't know how you could do that without test equipment to measure this. Certainly not something I could do by eye.

Jeff

the good thing is that they have a button that puts the original factory settings back for the RGB gain and bias adjustments.

Could someone let me know how they think HD football looks on these sets (particularly the KDF-55WF655 for those who have them)? My last concern before making this purchase is whether or not there is motion blur. Thanks!

Hey papa, Don't mean to be annoying, but where's those pictures???

I have been thinking much the same as you but I have decided I will not buy something this expensive from a non-authorized dealer. PCMall is not an authorized dealer. It should be illegal for these places to say these items have a warranty because they DON'T at all if you buy from a non-authorized dealer. You will not be able to get service from most mfgs. I have a denon 3805 receiver and needed warranty work and they did verify it was purchased through an authorized dealer. With over 3gs that I'd be spending I would never take a risk. You never know what might happen and then with the web order you don't know if they'd take it back even if you paid the shipping back. You may get a total dud and then what will you do? If a deal sounds to good to be true....
I have no doubt pcmall would ship it and they seem a fairly big site but if you have any problems forget it. Might I remind you that the GWIIIs that were produced for the first half year or so were bad and needed warranty bulb and electronics fixes.
If you still decide to go with pcmall let us know how it goes. I am personally working with another source which might turn out to offer nearly as good a price as their listed one. No date yet though so I can't get a firm price yet. I'll keep you all posted.

Well, while Sony Style bumped up the price on the 60XS, Crutchfield just lowered it. I guess they figured out it doesn't hurt to cheapen an item you dont have...

Football is stunning. I have the KDF 55-WF655 and OTA CBS last weekend was amazing. No motion blur that I could discern. MNF on ABC was also spectacular. The detail was phenomenal. Highly reccomend it. Also, baseball on FOX was pretty great too. As far as sports go, no regrets thus far on this purchase.

Does anyone know how to adjust the horizontal picture on 55WF655? It's fine on all inputs except 7. I had DirecTV HD installed today and it looks great over HDMI except that 4:3 is not centered. I can't seem to figure out how to center the image. 16:9 HD looks great though.

Thanks.

[quote]Originally posted by papaduxx

papaduxx, Did you happen to get a chance to look for the green bleed last night? Thanks
Also as I mentioned before I had the same black defects on my screen on 2 different GWIII's . They started out being 1/2 a pixel in size, and after a month or so they filled in a whole pixel. From an angle they appeared as a bright light shinning through the screen. Eventually I got used to them,but I know at first my eyes kept searching for them. I can definitely say none of these sets are perfect and all have some stuck pixels , though they may be very dim and you have to press your face against the screen to find them. I was always concerned about switching to a set that had a bright red pixel stuck right in the middle of the screen. My set that had the fewest stuck pixels had the worst green bleed problem. I think it's kind of a $4000+ roll of the dice. Good luck with your decision.

Here is probably the only major 'advertised' difference (besides the XS enhanced tweakability and styling) between the WE/WF and the XS:

"LCD panel driver LSI minimizes motion blur caused by the response time lag of LCD panels"

If this is accurate, then I would consider that a major difference, and a big win for the LCD RP camp as LCD response has always been one of the significant drawbacks to this technology.

Now whether or not that information is true or not remains to be seen. Sony doesn't seem to publish this info on their web site nor in the manual. I've only seen mention of it in two places: a preliminary XS spec sheet and the info for the XS on Sear web site. Even after spending 1/2 hour on the phone with a Sony rep, I was left feeling that the rep really had no idea what I was talking about and just finally agreed with me to get me off the phone.

I actually watched tv/ played video games all night and did not see any signs of bleeding on the screen.

As far as pic i can take some with my camera but they won't be good alittle later i am going to borrow a better one.

Did you notice any significant motion blur? Does it seem better than the WE/WF models?

heres one , not that great of quality but better than nothing

Here is the Sony Block diagram for the new WE, WS and XS series. I can find no difference in these sets in how signals are processed. Coincidentally, they are now calling this the '04 GW.

 

gwiv block diagram.pdf 59.318359375k . file

another
discovery HD OTA

speaker space

pic of some of the adance menus

Looks like a nice setup. If you get the better camera could you take some pics from the side and the speakers? I want to see how it might fit into my setup.
Thanks.

Here is a link to the A/D converter used in these sets. It is an 8 bit TI chip.

http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlv5734.pdf

is that a good thing? Sorry if its a dumb question, I don't know much about chips.

UMR,

So does that mean all the talk of the LCD panel driver LSI is just a big, steaming crock of Sony BS? How disappointing.

-steve

I am not saying it is BS. It does appear that all of these sets use the same electronic circuits. They man turn the feature off in the other sets. However, It might be possible to turn it on in the service mode if they did.

8 bit is the bare minimum, but it is pretty common. It would be nice if it was 10 bit, but I don't see any problem with the 8 bit that they chose.

This same circuit is in all the new sony lcd RP?

The new WE, WF and XS series look the same from a circuit standpoint. I see no reason to expect different processing in any of these sets.

So... looks like everything is OFF. I guess picture is good w/o these enhancements.???

When I played with a 55WF in the store, I noticed the biggest improvement to my eyes was setting it to power saving mode. Then reducing the brightness, set to standard picture mode, and neutral color temp. Also set over-scan to -1.

I thought it looked almost identical to the 60XBR that was right next to it. But, this was only casual observation in a period of about 15 min. while watching a DVD feed.

Jeff

The XBR950's require service menu adjustments to reach their full potential.

THX Optimizer is less useful for CRT's than DLP or LCD. I would use Avia and DVE to help set contrast and brightness correctly.