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post #1591 of 7503
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Originally posted by keenen....
Careful, that press release if read carefully, indicates that SACD over Denon Link has been approved for SACD 2.0 only, not SACD 1.3, which is the one we all use.

Typically, technolgies are backward compatible so hopefully if the DenonLink passes SACD 2.0, it should also pass v1.3. Now, which version of DenonLink will pass SACD 2.0 is a question. AVR-3805 accepts DenonLink v.3 and DVD-3910 outputs DenonLink v.2.
post #1592 of 7503
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Originally posted by jigesh
Typically, technolgies are backward compatible so hopefully if the DenonLink passes SACD 2.0, it should also pass v1.3. Now, which version of DenonLink will pass SACD 2.0 is a question. AVR-3805 accepts DenonLink v.3 and DVD-3910 outputs DenonLink v.2.

Yes and no, I think, although I cannot say for sure because there is not much info about the SACD 2.0 spec available, that SACD 2.0 may require different transmitting and receiving parts, which would make current Denon equipment obsolete for carrying SACD 2.0.

The version that will accept SACD 2.0 is Denon Link 3, which is in the receivers, but Denon Link 3 was implemented before the SACD 2.0 spec came out, so I'm not sure if the current DL3 will work for SACD 2.0.

Bottom line, IMO, is that nothing really has changed as far as getting SACD over current Denon equipment. SACD 2.0 equipment is still 1.5-2yrs away.

SACD 2.0 will also work for HDMI which is also a departure from the IEEE1394 only that was SACD 1.3
post #1593 of 7503
Does anyone know if there's a way to select which region you want to view on a multi region enabled 3910 (perhaps in a sub-menu).

As i've found two region 1 disc's, so far, that won't play - it comes up wrong region, despite the fact that all other R1 discs ive tested have played fine.

I've tried switching the machine on and off, but makes no difference. I have firmware 6 and Denon UK installed it, along with the MR hack.

M
post #1594 of 7503
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Originally posted by mark antony
Does anyone know if there's a way to select which region you want to view on a multi region enabled 3910 (perhaps in a sub-menu).

As i've found two region 1 disc's, so far, that won't play - it comes up wrong region, despite the fact that all other R1 discs ive tested have played fine.

I've tried switching the machine on and off, but makes no difference. I have firmware 6 and Denon UK installed it, along with the MR hack.

M

Mark,

Can you list the two DVD Region 1 discs which do not work for you? I installed the -5 multi region firmware posted earlier in this thread and so far all my PAL Region2 DVDs as well as Region 1 DVDs work perfectly. No copy protection messages or errors.

Thanks!
post #1595 of 7503
On further testing I've found 5! So far it's the criterion short cuts (both discs), cannonball run and the re-issue's of universal's billy madison & happy gilmore

M
post #1596 of 7503
Ok, I've just checked the firmware I now have in my 3910, and it's -3

My question is this: What issues does each firmware upgrade address, and am I right in assuming that each successive upgrade contains all the features of the previous upgrades?

Altough I now only have the -3 firmware, at least it makes my 3910 multi- region playable. This is very important to me because I have lots of non-Region 1 discs.

I don't want to upgrade to -6 firmware (or the immenent -8), only to lose multi-region capability on my 3910.

Does anyone have answers to these? Thanks in advance.

electronic70
post #1597 of 7503
Hi everyone,
I just hooked my new Denon 3910 to my Infocus Screenplay 110, only to find out that the image swaps and is not stable. It seems that the projector gets the input and then drops it, giving everytime the connection screen (PC1- Digital). Has anyone else have had problems with this ?? Does anyone have my same configuration and get results ???

My Firmware is -5 (the multiregion one)
Already tried to use another cable, same results...
With my computer the DVI inputs seem fine on the projector

What am i supposed to do ???? Could it be an HDCP incompatibility ???

The LS110 is HDCP compliant, so....


Please help me out 'cos I'm really freaking out on this. Thanks in advance for any help.
post #1598 of 7503
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Originally posted by Cain
Wow, I did not know you could do this. Can you give me a little more detail?? What type of patch cable?? Where exactly do I plug that sucker in to my 3910 ??

thx!!

Regarding IR distribution/repeaters:

I use the Xantech stuff - there is an IR pickup in my theater and my equipment is all in another area - the IR emitters have little 1/8" jacks that plug into the Xantech block.

For the Denon gear I used some cables that I think I actually got at Radio Shack - they are essential 1/8 inch jacks at each end and they are mono cables, not stereo. The Denon has a "room to room" input. Plug it in there.

Denon Back Panel
post #1599 of 7503
Do you have a link to the Xantech stuff you used?
post #1600 of 7503
Hi all,

I just got my 3910. I've already upgraded the firmware and everything seems to be working except that I'm unable to see BTB in DVE's pluge pattern.

The player is hooked up to a Samsung HLP 4674 via DVI. IRE setting is 0, Black is set to normal. Any ideas what might be wrong? I have already tested IRE 7.5 and it doesn't work either.

What's weird is that my previous player was a 2910 hooked up to the exact same setup and it passed BTB fine.

Thanks for your help.
post #1601 of 7503
HI Guys:

Can someone point me to where to get the firmware? I e-mailed Denon twice, no reply. Do they have an FTP site? Is it buried in this lengthy thread anywhere?

Thanks,
Scott
post #1602 of 7503
VladDracul, the 3910 definitely passes blacker than black. One problem could be that the player tends to reset the black level to Enhanced eventhough it says Normal in the menu (it happens whenever you turn squeeze mode to "on" or change the resolution). Try turning it on, inserting the DVE DVD, make sure the resolution is 720p through DVI (the native resolution of your DLP), and make sure the squeeze mode is the way you want it (on or off), then go into the main menu and click on Normal black level (even if Normal is already highlighted), then try adjusting the black levels with DVE.

Scottorton, you can download the latest firmware from the Denon.com website (see Upgrades).
post #1603 of 7503
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Originally posted by scotthorton
HI Guys:

Can someone point me to where to get the firmware? I e-mailed Denon twice, no reply. Do they have an FTP site? Is it buried in this lengthy thread anywhere?

Thanks,
Scott


Scott,

As stated previously, Denon is coming out with a -8 firmware (current is -6) in the coming week. Why not wait a few days so you don't throw away a CD-R burning current firmware which will be outdated shortly?

Food for thought...
post #1604 of 7503
I cancelled my 3910 order!! as it is not compatable with new sacd 2.0
post #1605 of 7503
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Originally posted by BillP
VladDracul, the 3910 definitely passes blacker than black. One problem could be that the player tends to reset the black level to Enhanced eventhough it says Normal in the menu (it happens whenever you turn squeeze mode to "on" or change the resolution). Try turning it on, inserting the DVE DVD, make sure the resolution is 720p through DVI (the native resolution of your DLP), and make sure the squeeze mode is the way you want it (on or off), then go into the main menu and click on Normal black level (even if Normal is already highlighted), then try adjusting the black levels with DVE.

Scottorton, you can download the latest firmware from the Denon.com website (see Upgrades).

BillP,

Yes, I was aware of that issue and took care of always selecting "Normal" prior to looking at the pattern. I tried again, this time testing 1080i and 540P, with no luck. I'm still unable to see BTB no matter how much I turn up the brightness control on the TV. Could this be a manufacturing defect? If it weren't for the fact that my previous 2910 worked fine in this regard, I would suspect the cable; but in this instance, I'm totally lost.
post #1606 of 7503
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Originally posted by Rieper
Scott,

As stated previously, Denon is coming out with a -8 firmware (current is -6) in the coming week. Why not wait a few days so you don't throw away a CD-R burning current firmware which will be outdated shortly?

Food for thought...

Yes, I agree, waiting on the new one is fine. But, *where* do I get it when it is avail? Thanks, Scott
post #1607 of 7503
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Originally posted by scotthorton
Yes, I agree, waiting on the new one is fine. But, *where* do I get it when it is avail? Thanks, Scott

Do you *really* have to ask that question? THE DENON WEBSITE. Sheesh ...
post #1608 of 7503
Just to cover all options, have you tried setting your DVI black level to "enhanced" and see what happens?

I don't have a DVI-equipped TV, but it seems to me that you'd want the 3910's black level to be blacker than normal if you wanted to see that black bar in the pluge test (unless I'm misunderstanding something).

I guess all I'm saying is: experiment - you can't break anything.

Good luck.

--Ernie
post #1609 of 7503
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Originally posted by scotthorton
HI Guys:

Can someone point me to where to get the firmware? I e-mailed Denon twice, no reply. Do they have an FTP site? Is it buried in this lengthy thread anywhere?

Thanks,
Scott

http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp
post #1610 of 7503
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Originally posted by zoro
I cancelled my 3910 order!! as it is not compatible with new sacd 2.0

SACD 2.0 is a new specification, not a new format. ,Do you actually believe Sony/Phillips would put out a new format and abandon all the current SACD players on the market?
post #1611 of 7503
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Originally posted by Tom Grooms
SACD 2.0 is a new specification, not a new format. ,Do you actually believe Sony/Phillips would put out a new format and abandon all the current SACD players on the market?

Common sense would say no. Being that "products" with this specification have been indicated to be available on the market in 1 to 2yrs would seem to say that there is a difference in this spec, among them, being image transfer and more robust CP. These "products" will probably play legacy SACD material but not the other way around.

Being that SACD 2.0 has approved HDMI and Denon Link 3 as transport methods, and that current Denon Link CDPs are Denon Link 2 and SACD 1.3 has still not been approved for any method of transport other than IEEE1394 would seem to indicate that there must be a hardware requirement difference in the two specs with regards to the transmitting unit(CDP). Otherwise, since to upgrade current Denon CDPs to Denon Link 3 only requires a FW load, why wasn't Denon Link 3 added as a transport method for SACD 1.3?

Looking at the bigger picture, since this SACD 2.0 is not going to be a factor for another 1-2yrs, I wouldn't worry about it with regards to current players, meaning Denon Link 2 will probably never be upgraded to transport SACD.

My guess is that SACD 2.0 might possibly be a transport spec for future HD-DVD and BRD players.

If you like the 3910, buy it, and playback SACD like every Denon owner has who doesn't have a IEEE1394 enabled rec/pre-pro, through the analog outputs.
post #1612 of 7503
and if I may say so, the 3910 SACD-audio thru analog cables is quite awesome!!
post #1613 of 7503
Exactly!

IMO, if you are in the market for a 3910, don't get hung-up on the DL2-3/SACD thing.
post #1614 of 7503
Well, Keenan, all I can say is that the 3910 playing SACD thru analog is the best audio I have heard to date.....bar none!
post #1615 of 7503
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Originally posted by mismatched
and if I may say so, the 3910 SACD-audio thru analog cables is quite awesome!!

You may,


It is quite awsome isn't it?
post #1616 of 7503
Kinda off-topic, but:

Can anyone recommend a few (3 or 4) SACDs which they feel sound "awesome" through 3910's analog outputs? I was going to buy the Norah Jones SACD before reading they used the 16/44.1 PCM master to make the SACD.

Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Thanks.
post #1617 of 7503
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Originally posted by Rieper.....
Can anyone recommend a few (3 or 4) SACDs which they feel sound "awesome" through 3910's analog outputs?

My "easy on ears" recommendations:

1. Al Dimeola: Elegant Gypsy

2. Stereo track of Masanori Sasaji: Birdland

3. Lara St. John: Gypsy

4. John Coltrane & Johnny Hartman

5. Artur Pizarro: Beethoven: Piano Sonatas

6. Concord Jazz Super Audio CD Sampler I Tracks 4 and 2 are excellent for multichannel demo.
post #1618 of 7503
The new Elton John SACD hybrids are outstanding as well.
post #1619 of 7503
Cancelling your order for what is primarily a DVD player... just because it won't play SACD's? *shakes head at people*

It's like cancelling your cell phone, because it doesn't have Snake Game on it, but yet it has the greatest phone reception ever.

*sighs* you people make me cry on the inside.
post #1620 of 7503
It does play SACD, and it does so with outstanding audio quality over analog cables, so not a big deal.
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