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post #7291 of 7503
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

I have all of this set up as you have described. So what's different about this setup than about using SOURCE DIRECT (which I really don't understand) on the 3910?

DL3 is a method by which multi-channel digital DSD & DVD-A bitstreams and LPCM are transmitted from the 3910 to a compatible receiver using the Denon Link cable. This is a high-bandwidth low-jitter connection which will yield the ultimate audio quality.

SOURCE DIRECT is a 3910 setting which permits it to output the audio without adding speaker settings or channel level processing to the audio signals of DVD-Audio or SACD. Using Denon Link disables SOURCE DIRECT. This is because when you use Denon Link, your receiver manages all of your speaker settings (i.e., delays, levels, bass management). That's the nice thing about Denon Link, you don't have to redundantly make your speaker settings in both your receiver and your DVD player. See the manual for further detail.
post #7292 of 7503
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Originally Posted by emoduck View Post

thanks pbarach, that seems to be the common thought from the threads I've read without the added factor of the warm up thrown in. Luckily, I have about two months of manufacturers warranty left, and can get the problem fixed. I hope these newer players dont go out on a routine basis like that after such a short period of time or this might be my last Denon CD player. I had a Denon DCD-2560 (circa early 1990s CD player) for 15 years and it never failed me. Thank you again for your help.

Well I hope your experience with this Denon model is more pleasant than mine. After 10 months of initial use I had to have the laser assembly replaced because of CD's not loading and giving the dreaded 00 00 00 upon disc insertion. Well that was repaired under warranty, and now another 10 months later I am getting the same thing. What a POS. I will NEVER buy a supposed high end piece of equipment from Denon again. I say high end because this laser assembly is the same that they used in the 5910 model.
post #7293 of 7503
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Originally Posted by Perch33 View Post

Well I hope your experience with this Denon model is more pleasant than mine.

I've had zero trouble with it in 3 years, and in fact it does a better job with scratched-up DVD's and CD's from the library than the other 3 DVD and CD players I have in the house (Early-model Toshiba DVD player, Sony SACD/DVD cheapie, Marantz CD67SE). Sorry you got a Denonish lemon...
post #7294 of 7503
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

I've had zero trouble with it in 3 years, and in fact it does a better job with scratched-up DVD's and CD's from the library than the other 3 DVD and CD players I have in the house (Early-model Toshiba DVD player, Sony SACD/DVD cheapie, Marantz CD67SE). Sorry you got a Denonish lemon...

+1. No problems.
post #7295 of 7503
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

I've had zero trouble with it in 3 years, and in fact it does a better job with scratched-up DVD's and CD's from the library than the other 3 DVD and CD players I have in the house (Early-model Toshiba DVD player, Sony SACD/DVD cheapie, Marantz CD67SE). Sorry you got a Denonish lemon...

ditto. my only problem is remembering the settings for dvd, sacd, and dvd-a. other than that trouble free operation from day one.
post #7296 of 7503
My hope is that the repair will take, and I'm able to use the player for years to come. It certainly does a good job with SACDs and DVD-As. I may purchase Emotiva's upcoming ERC-1, which is a being released later this spring. It is advertised as a 24 bit - 384 khz upsampling player for redbook CDs (no SACD/DVDs).

Luckily, when I bought my player from 6th Avenue Electronics, I bought a 4 year MACK repair warranty for my Denon DVD-3910 - so if it fails again after the manufactuer's warranty is up, MACK will be on the hook to fix it again. They made tons of these players, so hopefully the failure rate is low even considering the number of reported failures. Has anyone by chance had experience with mack-camera warranties. Thank you.
post #7297 of 7503
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Originally Posted by emoduck View Post

My hope is that the repair will take, and I'm able to use the player for years to come. It certainly does a good job with SACDs and DVD-As. I may purchase Emotiva's upcoming ERC-1, which is a being released later this spring. It is advertised as a 24 bit - 384 khz upsampling player for redbook CDs (no SACD/DVDs).

Luckily, when I bought my player from 6th Avenue Electronics, I bought a 4 year MACK repair warranty for my Denon DVD-3910 - so if it fails again after the manufactuer's warranty is up, MACK will be on the hook to fix it again. They made tons of these players, so hopefully the failure rate is low even considering the number of reported failures. Has anyone by chance had experience with mack-camera warranties. Thank you.

Hope it does work out for u and it will be a quick fix. It is a great player even if it is getting a little dated.
post #7298 of 7503
I received my player back today from the repair center and it was the traverse unit, cable, and loading sub assembly which has been discussed on the page previously.
post #7299 of 7503
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Originally Posted by emoduck View Post

I received my player back today from the repair center and it was the traverse unit, cable, and loading sub assembly which has been discussed on the page previously.

Yep same problem with mine. JUNK.I wish I could say it has been a isolated problem.
post #7300 of 7503
Perch, I hope I don't have a second failure like you have had. That really sucks. Does your player show any improvement if you warm it up for a half hour or so.

That aftermarket warranty may come in handy after all.
post #7301 of 7503
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Originally Posted by gimp View Post

I own the 3910. It is indeed capable of bitstreaming DD or DTS via HDMI. Look at the manual, page 19.

Setup->
DIGITAL INTERFACE SETUP->
HDMI AUDIO SETUP->
MULTI(NORMAL)

Even if I set this, my 3910 will still output PCM over HDMI to my receiver. In fact, MULTI(NORMAL) and MULTI(LPCM) seem to do exactly the same thing in my setup.

Are there any other settings that need to be changed?
post #7302 of 7503
For those that have had the tranverse fail, did anybody try to open the case and clean the optics? I am on my second tranverse and really dont want to send it back for Denon repair, but really dont want to purchase anything new just yet. I love the audio capabilities of this player when it works. It does not load ANY redbook CD. Plays DVD fine. If anybody has had success with a good cleaning, what did you use?
post #7303 of 7503
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Originally Posted by JohnGZ28 View Post

ditto. my only problem is remembering the settings for dvd, sacd, and dvd-a. other than that trouble free operation from day one.

Which settings do you mean? I guess I've gone the easy way by using Denon Link III for everything. The only settings that need to be changed for audio are stereo SACD versus multichannel SACD. But boy am I sick of going through the menus to switch back and forth from 16:9 to "squeeze mode"!
post #7304 of 7503
Anyone know of a way to get the OSD off like the "Play" that comes up?

Thanks
post #7305 of 7503
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

Which settings do you mean? I guess I've gone the easy way by using Denon Link III for everything. The only settings that need to be changed for audio are stereo SACD versus multichannel SACD. But boy am I sick of going through the menus to switch back and forth from 16:9 to "squeeze mode"!

I'm having problems playing my multi channel SACDs, the stereo SACDs play fine. I haven't fooled around with it in awhile but I think I need to change the setting in the etc. menu from video to audio or vice versa. The 3910 will show it is outputting 5.1 but the 4806 say's it's not receiving a signal at all. Only happens on 5.1 SACDs, DVDs and DVD audio disc play fine.
post #7306 of 7503
Hi Guys,

Does anyone know if the 3910 can transmit SACD over HDMI?

I used denon link before for everything but recently changed my AVR to HK354 and cant get SACD to work except by analogue. Im guessing it dont work over HDMI.

Regards,

Easy.
post #7307 of 7503
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Originally Posted by easyshas View Post

Hi Guys,

Does anyone know if the 3910 can transmit SACD over HDMI?

I used denon link before for everything but recently changed my AVR to HK354 and cant get SACD to work except by analogue. Im guessing it dont work over HDMI.

Regards,

Easy.

Easy, you can get SACD over DL3 not HDMI
post #7308 of 7503
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Originally Posted by ezervoud View Post

Easy, you can get SACD over DL3 not HDMI

Hi,

Yes Im aware that SACD is ok over DL3, as I said before but why not HDMI?

easy.
post #7309 of 7503
It is not supported by DENON, period :-). I am not sure if it is not technically feasible since it supports version 1.1 of HDMI or just because they don't want to implement it over HDMI
post #7310 of 7503
Roger that, back to good old analogue then!

Easy.
post #7311 of 7503
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Originally Posted by easyshas View Post

Roger that, back to good old analogue then!

Easy.

The 3910 has an excellent DAC, so "going back to analog" may be a good thing in many systems.
post #7312 of 7503
What I despise the most is that you get hooked to one manufacturer.
I want to change my old Denon AVR to a newer Onkyo but DL kind of holds me back
post #7313 of 7503
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Originally Posted by ezervoud View Post

What I despise the most is that you get hooked to one manufacturer.
I want to change my old Denon AVR to a newer Onkyo but DL kind of holds me back

I don't know what Denon AVR you have, but I have a 3805 and I find that the DAC's in my 3910 are better--so I stopped using DL3 and now use only analog, so the 3910 DACs do the conversion.
post #7314 of 7503
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

I don't know what Denon AVR you have, but I have a 3805 and I find that the DAC's in my 3910 are better--so I stopped using DL3 and now use only analog, so the 3910 DACs do the conversion.

I have this same combination, but I'm thinking about adding a BD player to the mix. If so, I would choose a model that decodes all of the newer lossless audio formats and use the 7.1 analog connections with the 3805. I would then keep the 3805 to just play SACD's and DVD-A's using DL3. Has anyone here done likewise and if so which BD player did you choose and why? I would be looking for a BD player with good bass management flexibility because my listening room is not ideal.
post #7315 of 7503
So I sent my 3910 to United Radio to be fixed. I was having weird video noise, stoppage of SACD halfway through. You can see my earlier post a few pages back. They replaced the laser assembly. I got it back and it would not recognize DVD's until warming up and then sometimes still not recognizing them (00:00:00) on the display with no disc type identified. It happened with CD, SACD, DVD-A as well. I sent it back as my warrantly from JUST getting fixed covered it.

I got a call today that they cannot reproduce the problem, so they may just replace the laser assembly again to be safe? Any thoughts, ideas, other things it could be?

Thanks!

And to the post above me. I use the analog ins for my HD DVD player (also have the 3805 AVR) and use the DL for my 3910. Works great for me. If I ever do get a BD player I'll just continue to use the analog ins with the hi-def players.
post #7316 of 7503
I'm ashamed to ask such a simple question but I can't find the volume control for the 3910 I just picked up. Where's the volume control?
post #7317 of 7503
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Originally Posted by feathed View Post

I'm ashamed to ask such a simple question but I can't find the volume control for the 3910 I just picked up. Where's the volume control?

What volume control?
post #7318 of 7503
Exactly. I hook my analog outs to my power amps and think "that's loud". Where is the volume control for the analog outs? I got this for the analog outs. How the hell do people use the analog outs if there isn't any volume control? If I have to hook this up to my receiver, that completely, totally and utterly defeats the purpose of quality analog outs!
post #7319 of 7503
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Originally Posted by feathed View Post

Exactly. I hook my analog outs to my power amps and think "that's loud". Where is the volume control for the analog outs? I got this for the analog outs. How the hell do people use the analog outs if there isn't any volume control? If I have to hook this up to my receiver, that completely, totally and utterly defeats the purpose of quality analog outs!

No, it doesn't. The receiver amplifies the analog signal in order to power your speakers, whether the 3910's output gets converted to analog inside the player or goes digitally to the receiver and gets decoded there. The analog outs have two purposes: (1) They let you use the 3910's DAC's, which are better than those in many receivers; and (2) the 5-channel analog outs let you playback DVD-A and SACD's if you don't have a Denon receiver with DenonLink.

So the volume control you're looking for is on your receiver, integrated amp, or preamp. You can't connect the 3910 directly to a power amp because IT'S TOO LOUD.
post #7320 of 7503
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Originally Posted by feathed View Post

Exactly. I hook my analog outs to my power amps and think "that's loud". Where is the volume control for the analog outs?

Not expected. The analog outputs are intended to feed the analog inputs of a preamp, prepro or AVR..........or a passive VC.

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I got this for the analog outs.

With misplaced expectations.

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How the hell do people use the analog outs if there isn't any volume control?

See above.

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If I have to hook this up to my receiver, that completely, totally and utterly defeats the purpose of quality analog outs!

No, that is not their purpose.
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