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post #241 of 1547
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Originally Posted by sregener View Post

Nobody calls, nobody writes, it's like they don't care. But it looks like it's done. Very strong signal last night, even 40 degrees off-axis.

Hey that's great news. How many miles are you from the transmitter? I just put up a CM 4228 last week but it's not facing south at the moment. I'll give it a shot tonight.
post #242 of 1547
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Originally Posted by jimboeau View Post

Hey that's great news. How many miles are you from the transmitter? I just put up a CM 4228 last week but it's not facing south at the moment. I'll give it a shot tonight.

Just under 60 miles. I have *no* business getting it with my terrain...
post #243 of 1547
Works great here in Eau Claire. Turned my 4228 south and get about an 87 signal strength out of 100 on my Dish Network 622.
post #244 of 1547
It really is amazing what decent power and elevation can do. I get a nothing from WLAX and WEUX, a hint of a signal from WXOW, a marginally stable signal from WHLA most of the time, and a signal that registers all the way to the "Good" range on WKBT-DT - even during the day. I have local stations just 25 or so miles away that register no better than WKBT.

I only have three regrets at this point. One, that UPN is going away and I have no interest in "MyNetwork." Two, that WKBT is reverting to channel 8 in 2009. Given how poorly I get analog 8, I have no expectation that I'd be able to receive WKBT-DT-8 once the switch is made. Three, that my ABC reception situation will be resolved *after* MNF is gone.
post #245 of 1547
I think you will be OK when they switch back to 8 with their digital signal. The signal strength of Ch. 8 is quite good. The problem is likely you are picking up interference with the MPR radio towers directly between Rochester and La Crosse.

When MPR switched to their new towers about 15(?) years ago they fouled up my reception of Ch 8 so I made them come out and install a high quality filter to clean it up. Hopefully the tuner will be able to decode the digital signal without the need for a filter.

I checked on DT 8.1 last night and this morning. It is coming in about the same strength as WCCO. Very nice. I'm wondering how the quality of the HD 1080i feed will be compared to WCCO since WKBT will be broadcasting a sub-channel or two.
post #246 of 1547
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Originally Posted by jpweigel View Post

I think you will be OK when they switch back to 8 with their digital signal. The signal strength of Ch. 8 is quite good. The problem is likely you are picking up interference with the MPR radio towers directly between Rochester and La Crosse.

That's half the problem. The other half is that I have a UHF-only antenna.

When I tune to channel 8, I can easily listen to classical music if I turn the antenna the right direction. I can tell you that the FM interference is more than enough to demolish the digital signal, so unless something changes with MPR, you'll need those filters.
post #247 of 1547
It looks like WHWC-DT and WHLA-DT have gone to full power.
post #248 of 1547
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Originally Posted by sregener View Post

It looks like WHWC-DT and WHLA-DT have gone to full power.

Did this just happen today?
post #249 of 1547
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Originally Posted by jimboeau View Post

Did this just happen today?

No. But the FCC doesn't list when changes are made to their database, they just make the changes. I noticed it yesterday. I can detect no difference in reception, so it is likely that the "Licensed" after their full-power listings is inaccurate.
post #250 of 1547
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Originally Posted by sregener View Post

There are no secrets on the Internet.

. . . Speaking of PSIP guide data, what's up with WPT? Ever since they added a third channel, everything is just 'DTV Program'.

A recurring problem. They have a lot of unpaid ("volunteer") help at the TOC in Madison. I think the period you saw that was during one of the many fund-raising drives. It's OK at this time, although a few programs don't have anything more than a title. The guide for after shutdown (1 am in the summer) always shows "DTV Program" or something similar, until AFTER they pull the switch, when nothing will come up (obviously). If you go to their website (wpt.org), you'll get the dope for all three channels - usually.

It appears that all the La Crosse stations have goosed power, as required, in the last week. I can even get WEAU with an unboosted antenna, in a nasty shadow, though it is highly unpredictable. I suspect intermittant ionization of the upper atmosphere (by meteorites) which reflects the primary signal and is causing multipaths. Not a new phenom.

WEAU has a second channel, in case you haven't looked. It's just a local radar screen, so don't kill yourself running to the tube/LCD.
post #251 of 1547
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Originally Posted by Roger_Wilco View Post

It appears that all the La Crosse stations have goosed power, as required, in the last week. I can even get WEAU with an unboosted antenna, in a nasty shadow, though it is highly unpredictable.

WXOW was at 50kw or so before the 7/1/06 deadline, and they're still at 50kw AFAIK and will be until shortly after 2/19/09.

WLAX hasn't done anything to up their power. The deadline has no impact on them because they have cited extreme financial distress as the reason for failing to meet deadlines. They have, however, announced plans to boost power before the end of the year.

WHLA looks the same to me, but it is possible that they boosted power and I just can't tell. They had full power capabilities for a long time, but were running at reduced power to save some $$$.

WEAU shows no interest in boosting beyond their current 500kw, which is more than enough to meet the FCC's "80%" requirement of stations not staying on their current frequency post-transition.

So other than WKBT-DT, who do you think has "goosed" power?
post #252 of 1547
I DID say "appears". . .

I can only tell you that my "consumer-grade" signal strength "meter" is running higher on most channels - and that includes 13 and 25. If I'm not halucinating, 13-DT was off-air for a short period recently, or maybe their apparent power bottomed out. I have always had a problem with them, and my viewing situation took a hit a couple of months ago, where I could not get them at all. Now it's 40/60 (OK/not).
post #253 of 1547
I live on the northside of La Crosse and have had trouble getting ch. 13 lately. I use a ChannelMaster 4220 solely to get that station. This morning (Sunday) it seemed to be out altogether. There have been times where the signal on my Voom receiver goes from the upper 80s to dropping out down to the 40s and back again. I have to admit that I have had the same problem at times with the signal from WLAX using my SquareShooter antenna.
post #254 of 1547
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Originally Posted by elocs View Post

I live on the northside of La Crosse and have had trouble getting ch. 13 lately. I use a ChannelMaster 4220 solely to get that station. This morning (Sunday) it seemed to be out altogether. There have been times where the signal on my Voom receiver goes from the upper 80s to dropping out down to the 40s and back again. I have to admit that I have had the same problem at times with the signal from WLAX using my SquareShooter antenna.

Apparently 13.1/13.2 WAS out - I could not get any signal on either of two systems running. As for lesser signal losses, see my earlier post. Any "Ham" or military radio op can tell you all about the idiosyncrasies of UHF.

I just discovered these when I pulled up this site a little while ago:

http://www.terrestrial-digital.com/
post #255 of 1547
I have been using DTV for a while. I am using a LG HDTV LCD with tuner
to receive OTA. A couple of questions to start with.
I think I have seen, but not documented that both WKBT 8 and
WEAU 13 will be going from there Ch 41 and CH 39 back to
8 and 13 when the full roll out happens in 2009 or so.
Is this true? Any experts know how that will effect receiving
there signal at that point? I live in Rochester MN and have
a cabin in Ladysmith WI and wondering what effect it might have.
Now I can get 8.1 perfectly, but 13.1 is much harder in Rochester.
In Ladysmith I get 13.1 with no problem, and I do not expect a problem
there. Occasionally I can get DTV 8.1 in Ladysmith, very rare, but
I can get an average analog 8. Any opinions if I will be able
to take that average channel 8 signal and get a solid DTV out
of it once they go to this? (assuming they are).
Be nice to me as a first time poster. Hopefully I have asked
questions that have not been beat to death, and that I missed them.
Thanks.....
post #256 of 1547
What are you using for an antenna? Where is it located and how long of an cable are you using? Try going over to antennaweb.org and see what distance your towers are.
post #257 of 1547
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Originally Posted by LakeFlambeau View Post

1) I think I have seen, but not documented that both WKBT 8 and WEAU 13 will be going from there Ch 41 and CH 39 back to
8 and 13 when the full roll out happens in 2009 or so.
Is this true?

2) Any experts know how that will effect receiving there signal at that point?

3) Any opinions if I will be able to take that average channel 8 signal and get a solid DTV out of it once they go to this? (assuming they are).

1) I got my information from Doug Lung, RF guru. based on FCC databases. It looks solid.

2) The signals will reach better, but impulse noise - both manmade and from lightning - will cause some problems for those outside Grade A contours. My guess is that you'll get both from Rochester okay except during thunderstorms.

3) Average translates to perfect in digital. You should be fine.

FWIW, WEAU is much further from Rochester (about 30 miles further) which accounts for your reception difficulties there. No idea why you can't get WKBT in Ladysmith, though...
post #258 of 1547
WLAX Fox 25 has been running short commercials lately that say something is coming this fall. Any idea if their mysterious message is DTV related?

I hate how poor WLAX Fox 25 looks. They're mono audio and always grainy / crappy picture is embarrasing. When I travel and see Fox in different cities, it really ticks me off to see how much better it looks.
post #259 of 1547
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Originally Posted by Digitalhorde View Post

WLAX Fox 25 has been running short commercials lately that say something is coming this fall. Any idea if their mysterious message is DTV related?

I hate how poor WLAX Fox 25 looks. They're mono audio and always grainy / crappy picture is embarrasing. When I travel and see Fox in different cities, it really ticks me off to see how much better it looks.

I am not sure, but my guess is that they are talking about the 9:00 PM local news segment they will be starting this fall. That's my guess anyway.

The La Crosse-Eau Claire market will get its first live 9 p.m. newscast on August 28. NBC affiliate WEAU/13 (Eau Claire) will produce the 30-minute newscast to air on FOX25 (WLAX La Crosse) and FOX48 (WEUX Chippewa Falls-Eau Claire). CBS affiliate WKBT/8 (La Crosse) also repeats its 6 p.m. newscast at 9 p.m. on its UPN digital subchannel. Link
post #260 of 1547
They are talking about either or both of the following:

New programs (some of which they are promoting throughout the day).

Technical upgrades, including 720p, which they have said will arrive sometime "before the end of the year".

Channel 8.2 (currently the UPN outlet) will go to the new network o/a 4 September.

Channel 19.2 (& 18.2) will be carrying the combined UPN/WB about the same time. They have been tinkering with the machinery overnights lately. One early morning I caught them running 720p-wide (on 19/18.1) with an ABC test loop. Not sure if it was locally encoded or net feed. Their PSIP claims "19.2 service unavailable", and it was, briefly, but is back duplicating .1.

Channel 31 has announced that they will add additional channels to the digital counterpart (groan - it's bad enough now).
post #261 of 1547
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Originally Posted by Roger_Wilco View Post

Channel 8.2 (currently the UPN outlet) will go to the new network o/a 4 September.

Channel 19.2 (& 18.2) will be carrying the combined UPN/WB about the same time.

Channel 31 has announced that they will add additional channels to the digital counterpart (groan - it's bad enough now).


Channel 8.2 will be carrying "MyNetwork", and based on the anticipated programming, it won't be one I'll watch.

The new network on 19.2 is called CW.

Channel 31-1 looks pretty bad now. I can't say I've ever seen anything on 31-3 that interested me, and it's a sure bet that 31-4 would be more of the same. Soon, KYIN-DT in Iowa will be full power, and then I'll switch to watching them for HD. They don't multicast.
post #262 of 1547
I don't have cable or satellite anymore, so it is just locals for me. I have watched a lot of 31.1, so this summer has been very bad with repeats that I have seen 5,6, or 7 times already. I very seldom watch 31.3 since I am not into cooking or gardening or crafts.

So Fox 25 is going to have local news. Oh be still my beating heart! How will I ever stand more of the fluff we are already getting from channels 8 and 19 here? Besides, isn't using the words "Fox" and "news" together an oxymoron? So that pretty much eliminates any 9 p.m. viewing for me on channel 25.

I may need an amplifier for my Channelmaster 4228 to really get a good signal from channel 13 here on the northside of La Crosse. Sometimes it will be locked in good on my Voom receiver at about 90 and then drop off to 40 and come back up again. The same thing happens on my LG 4200A, but the Voom receiver gives a more precise signal strength.
post #263 of 1547
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Originally Posted by elocs View Post

I have watched a lot of 31.1, so this summer has been very bad with repeats that I have seen 5,6, or 7 times already.

Is it just me, or is there a library card dying to be used in elocs' wallet?
post #264 of 1547
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Originally Posted by sregener View Post

Is it just me, or is there a library card dying to be used in elocs' wallet?

That's funny because I just got a new library card. I was at a friend's house today and he has digital cable so I got to relive the good old days of channel surfing. I watched a channel until a commercial came on and then I surfed to another one, staying there until it too had a commercial whereupon I returned to the first channel. Using this old tried and true technique I was able to watch bits of several programs without ever seeing one in its entirety. Ah, the good old days.
post #265 of 1547
Hi guys, hopefully you can help me. I live in New Richmond WI 54017 and am trying to pull in WEUX-DT for the football games. No one over there seems to return my emails. I can get 48 WEUX out of chippewa falls with my cm 4228 without a preamp, but i can't seem to get any digital signal for 48.1 on 49. I plan on getting a cm 7777 to try for the digital one. Are they broadcasting digitally all day or just during primetime. If they are broadcasting digitally, is it in hd? I'd really like to get the football games in hd this fall. (the ones that overlap with the vikings.) I'm sorry if this has been addressed before, but i can't seem to find it.

thanks in advance.
post #266 of 1547
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Originally Posted by mr.pope View Post

I can get 48 WEUX out of chippewa falls with my cm 4228 without a preamp, but i can't seem to get any digital signal for 48.1 on 49. I plan on getting a cm 7777 to try for the digital one. Are they broadcasting digitally all day or just during primetime. If they are broadcasting digitally, is it in hd? I'd really like to get the football games in hd this fall. (the ones that overlap with the vikings.) I'm sorry if this has been addressed before, but i can't seem to find it.

WEUX-DT is at very low power, but here's their projected coverage: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...DS1107683.html

If you're not in that coverage map, I'd forget it until they boost power, which should be by Christmas.

WEUX-DT is not doing HD currently, though they might be by Christmas.
post #267 of 1547
thanks alot. that will save me some time and money (for now)
post #268 of 1547
Whoopee! In two weeks (28 August) you can watch hashed-over WEAU news on Our Glorious Fox Stations!

I can't get Iowa PBS anymore, but I'm willing to bet they'll be multicasting soon. They do get some revenue from the not-exactly-ads-but-sorta-because-they-do-pay.

What else was I going to say? I forgot. . .

Oh, yeah. WPT-PBS will begin datacasting to schools in September. Good luck trying to find a receiver-decoder.
post #269 of 1547
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Originally Posted by Roger_Wilco View Post

They are talking about either or both of the following:

New programs (some of which they are promoting throughout the day).

Technical upgrades, including 720p, which they have said will arrive sometime "before the end of the year".

I emailed Mark Burg (Fox 25/48 chief engineer) about this topic and he said that the only big news this fall is the 9:00 news. Nothing new about 720p. I am not sure where you heard "before the end of the year".. but he didn't say this.
post #270 of 1547
Unless they are now back-peddling, he did give that time-frame. Go back in this thread for some comments he made earlier this year. There also were some discussions in the Madison thread here.

I'll have to see if I still have a message in my email.
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