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and I though Desmond's flashback previously was great. This one told us nothing, it as just an excuse to try and be clever and mysterious.

Desmond joins the army, sails the boat and we knew why he left Penny. References to it before it happens don't add a whole lot.

It told me a lot. It explained that for sure the hatch was really saving the world (if you believe the jewelry store lady)

But what it really told me was where Desmonds mind frame is at, which may be important to the future story. We know that he is mad at himself for not "tempting" fate by asking Penny to marry him. Therefore, I think he is going to work hard to keep Charlie alive. Maybe he can change the course of the universe by keeping Charlie alive long enough for him to do something that he shouldn't have done if he would have died already (twice). Or it could be someone else the he saves/helps that impacts the island, its purpose, etc. Time will tell, but at least know we know that Desmond could give a damn about fate and will do whatever he can to "do the right thing".

Based on the way the previous mislead us from week to week, I wouldn't be surprised if this was to throw people off too. Also, it says there isn't any time travel. It doesn't say that there won't be any. With this show, all possibilities are open until we see otherwise in my opinion.

You can believe that but in order to do so you have to also admit that they are just making this up as they go and they never had the story planned out fully. They've refuted the SF aspects of the show several times along with purgatory and nanotechnology.

Wonderwall by Oasis +- 1995

http://my.opera.com/musiclyrics/blog/show.dml/153239

All you naysayers out there need to read the excellent article in this week's Entertainment Weekly about Lost. It is very good and for me, alleviated any concerns I had about the overall progress of the show. In general, the 5 year plan of the show is only half over people. Not everything is spelled out over 2 episodes.

Well said. If they gave everything up now, where would they go for the next 2 1/2 years? I've said this before, but it bears repeating: with LOST, it's all about the journey, not the destination. It's unfortunate that so many people have bailed, but they weren't the true hard-core fans anyway. Some of 'em will be back if the show regains that elusive "buzz" factor but realistically, it will probably never be as popular as it was the first season when it was so fresh, new and different. As long as they get a chance to finish the story, that's okay by me. I ain't bailing.

with my wife related to Desmond and Penny?

I think that Desmond embarked on the yacht race to impress/embarass Penny's father. ie he wins, her father has to honor him.

My wife thinks her father gave him the boat to send him on the race and "knows" he won't return.

Any help? Thanks.

...and on at 8 o'clock.

No help, but your wife's speculation is interesting. Previously I had only thought the same as you.

RE: Charlie playing guitar; Desmond comes up and creates a scene. Yet on the Island Charlie has no recollection of Desmond, who was pretty much unforgettable in that instance. What am I missing?

I can't name that tune or the artist who performed it, but the next time Charlie remembers this song... he may be singing the blues instead.

Libby gave Desmond the boat.

Not much except last nights finale where Desmond tells Charlie he wasn't saving Claire he was saving Charlie instead. You're going to die Brother.

Desmond can time travel, see into the future and Penelope has discovered the Island's location where she will him.

He only created a scene this time because he recognized charlie the original time it probably did not go down like that at all.

Jake

Desmond has suffered at least one concussion. Why is everyone so quick to believe there's something mystical going on instead of the ramblings of a fractured mind.

someone gave me a new idea to think about...


what if ALL of this is a dream inside Desmond's head while on the boat???

agree 150%!!

If I remember correctly you're both right.

That's it - thanks - just downloaded on Itunes. The lyrics are definitely appropriate for Desmond meeting Charlie. These writers really think everything through.

It seemed like it could have been a hallucination by Hurley in the psych ward for a while when he saw Dave, but that's seems to have fallen by the wayside - or more specifically off a cliff.

You're right - I forgot! (or...did she?)

Intrigued by the time travel loop theory except I would call it a time loop theory - leave out the travel.
It reminds me of the STNG episode where the Enterprise was stuck in a time loop playing over and over until Data managed to leave a clue to carry over to the next loop. One of my STNG favorite episodes.

wasn't she the psychic that was normally a faker and Ecko investigated her? or was that someone else? would it have been cool if it was her? or if it was the guy Claire talked to who said don't go to the US...

One of the Hanso experiments was remote viewing. Assuming it didn't just mean the hidden cameras this would be psychic phenomena. But may it also mean the ability to perceive some information from the future. If so, their experiements may have discovered ways to send messages (visions, dreams, pseudo-memories, psychic email messages) back in time to the subjects before they were on the island. Desmond may have inadvertanly done this and the shop woman and/or Hanso employees may be doing it on purpose, for gain.

- Tom

Charlie was singing Wonderwall, an Oasis tune.

Or maybe that stuff he was injecting himself with was meant to unlock more mental potential...

Desmond's flashback was definitely more "dreamlike" than an actual repeating of events by way of a "time loop." We've seen Locke go on a similar "vision quest" so it looks like the same thing is happening with Dez (I like that nickname).

The biggest clue is the inclusion of Charlie in his "dream." Charlie was a successful member of a chart topping band (Driveshaft). Why would he condescend to playing Oasis tunes on the street corner for spare change? I know his band broke up because of his brother leaving, but I really doubt he would descend quite that far, he certainly hadn't at the time of Flight 815.

Again, I think Desmond is definitely getting "visions" that are allowing him to predict the future (just like Locke did), but he's not actually going through time travel loops.

Thanks for mentioning that, Irmo. It was one of the biggest "reveals" of the episode and one that bothered me afterwards. Surely Charlie wouldn't have sunk that far, especially considering it was 3 years (or, actually maybe six because Desmond was on the island for 3 years before the Lostaways arrived) before the events on the island. Charlie should have still been with Driveshaft at that point wouldn't he?

He was a pretty serious drug addict at the time of the flight, so it's possible he had gone down that far. I forget now if the reason for him being on the flight was actually revealed.


If you'll remember in one of the early episodes, Kate says to him "you were in Driveshaft, weren't you?"

Charlie, rather defensively, says, "Am in Driveshaft. I play bass."

He may have just been trying to cling on to that one thing that was good in his life.