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post #31 of 221
To add my $.02

I am concerned that the Mosquito with it's componate inputs/ outputs will hinder the quality if you connect it in series to the Dragonfly. What is needed is a fully digital path into and out of scheme, thus assuring the pristine quality that is needed on our very large screen displays.

Those who need RGBHV on BNC's are many and the market is shifting to DVI or HDMI so both digital's must be provided for as well as analog out.

Theta has an SDI option offered for their Compli universal DVD, CD, SACD, DVD Audio player. An awesome piece by the way.

I think also, that Alan meant to ask for 48/72 Hertz and not 42/72. And I agree that this would be something that should be done in the box.
post #32 of 221
I know this has nothing to do with scalers, but on the issue of SDI and HD-SDI, Panasonic new Plasma commercial 7 series will have a module option for SDI\\HD-SDI inputs. I
post #33 of 221
Oops..I meant 48HZ:)

Mark I agree 75 OHM BNC connectors is a must.

Very shortly everyone will be using this chip.
If all the current 3k manufactures threw this chip into their current scalers (I bet we some of this at CES) then the Dragon Fly would be just another box and they would lose a % of sales to the competition. If indeed this does happen then in a sense the DF would be just another box fighting for its place next to all the rest.

Someone needs to differentiate the product if they want to maximize their marketplace.
This can be done by giving us some of the features that made the Teranex unique. After all thats the big news with this chip.
Its not just the 1080i de interlacing its everything this chip has to offer.

I want these features having been lucky enough to have owned a Teranax
and I miss all the cool things it could do including color space conversion ect.

I dont know if I should have used the word lucky, more like "Sucker" I lost my a%$ when I sold it.
post #34 of 221
Gennum and its OEMs, are you listening? :) This exchange is relevant to folks making boxes with BOTH the Realta and the VXP.

I agree that 7k is a lot to spend on a process for a 10k display, but if it were bundled into a top quality DVD player or AV processor, for example, then it starts to get more interesting at the 5-8k price point.

Cheers
post #35 of 221
We are lucky because the Internet allows us these interactions with manufactures in the BC stage but I bet if a loaded 8K teranex were
to plop into reality ready to ship everyone would jump on it and be pleased with their purchase. Note I said loaded.


Quote:
I agree that 7k is a lot to spend
I guess its human nature ( that hunting instinct ) that keeps us always expecting more for less.
Check out my new signature:)
post #36 of 221
On the connector side I think you need to take care of both the digital and crt crowd on the outputs--you need both rgbhv (BNCs!) and an hdmi output (or let the buyer choose which one they need). On the input side you need at least 2 hdmi inputs and the usual non digital inputs (say 2 each component, s-vid). An option has to be available for sdi (preferably w/o losing an hdmi input).

Like Alan says, you need to differentiate this product from all the coming products with this chip. I think the biggest advantage you have is the mosquito and so I definitely think this needs to be combined into one box. It seems with hdcp issues the two box solution could be a pain.
post #37 of 221
Thread Starter 
Alan. I think I may have found your _ss! Can you offer some identification for it? Are you offering anything to get it back? If not, I might be calling the anaimal shelter because it is awfully expensive to feed. Further, it is wise!
post #38 of 221
I would like to second the request for an SDI input... there are not many dvd players out there with dvi/hdcp output, that I know of (only the Bravo comes to mind) and it is difficult to imagine modifying a dvd player to provide dvi output. I believe most botique players (Ayre, Theta, etc.) offer some form of SDI output option.

I think that with a high-res front projector setup, the only serious output choices for the dvd player are going to be sdi, rgbhv, or dvi. As I already said, dvi is difficult to find, has some shortcomings, and who knows when they'll get around to fixing them. rgbhv would cut it, but the quality for an analog output will be highly dependent on the design quality of the player. If, then, a $5000 botique player has the same quality rgbhv output as a $100 dvd player with an SDI mod, I think you can see why so many of us here have SDI-output DVD players. ;) (I'm specializing this comparison only to non-processed video quality, and ignoring all the extra features that many of these botique players provide)

Well, definitely give us more than those YUV RCA inputs... For me at least, RGBHV and SDI inputs would be a requirement, and everything else is just icing on the cake. (Even some composite/s-video inputs would be nice, for those of us without a separate switcher.)

Jason
post #39 of 221
Thread Starter 
Alan. Glad to have you on my band wagon! I was the first AVSer on for the NEC HT1000 band wagon and I was floored by this Silicon Optix thing when I saw it at the launch party at CEDIA.

I was very excited about the Algolith product because of my evident misunderstanding that the Mosquito noise reduction algorithms would be included in its $3.5K Realta chip based deinterlacer/scaler. I really can live without the Mosquito noise reduction thing but having it included in a video processor certainly might persuade me to get that one instead of a competitor's processor using the Realta chip.

I also would like to see Lumagen abandon their present processor chips in favor of a Realta or two. Lumagen pretty much has this processor thing down but are indeed limited by the 480i deinterlacing chip they are using and the lack of 1080i deinterlacing algorithms in their gated chip and the number of gates available for 1080i deinterlacing.
post #40 of 221
Third (or 5th or whatever) SDI. No sale without it.

BB
post #41 of 221
Regarding potential degal liability due to SDI inputs: An SDI input creates no legal liability for a scaler manufacturer at all because there are plenty of fully legal SDI sources (most professional) available. The fact that SDI-modded DVD players fall into a gray area is not the scaler manufacturer's problem. In fact, they _shouldn't_ fall into a gray area because anyone who wants to make a copy of a DVD can do so perfectly right now by means of a computer and software that is widely available on the Internet. Such copies are better than copies that could be made through SDI because (1) the computer copy can occur faster than realtime, and (2) a copy through SDI must go through one MPEG decode/encode cycle, whereas the computer copy uses the original MPEG encoding on the disk.

However, SDI or SDI-HD outputs can be a problem because, if I understand the law correctly, it is illegal for a signal that originated as HDMI to be transcoded to SDI-HD. Hence, those of us with products like HD TiVo (that have an HDMI output) could not connect those to a scaler with the hope that the scaler could legally output any sort of digital output or even full bandwidth analog. AFAIK, the only digital inputs that permit this legally are DVI (not copy-protected) and SDI.

This legal morass is a sore point for many high end home theater hobbyists because the law does not protect against serious commercial piracy, yet it makes it difficult or impossible for a home theater owner to achieve the highest PQ implicit in the source material.

Regarding the subject of the thread -- I use an SDI-modded DVD player and any scaler without a SDI input would be out of the running for me.

I would like to see HDMI inputs and outputs available, even though I do not presently have a display that supports them.
post #42 of 221
And to me, SDI is totally irrelevant as is support for CRT. And while I know the guys with SDI and CRT and respect them, both are hanging on to tiny niches of the market.

The mass market -- such as it is in this product class -- is digital projection, big flat digital panels, digital sources. We need at least 3 HDMI inputs, maybe 4. Everything else is, increasingly, Hoboken.

I'm not opposed to SDI and such at all, but I want one box that does a lot of things right. I wouldn't even consider a separate Mosquito because, well, that's another box and another $3000. Give me one box I can plug everything into -- including digital audio to delay it -- and all the inputs I really need and you've got my money.
post #43 of 221
I would like to see the ability to adjust the output timing parameters
in a manner similar to the Powerstrip HTPC application, meaning
the following timing parameters should be exposed, active pixels,
front and back porches and sync width. The ability to adjust overall
referesh and scan rates are nice to haves.

The Vinc Bravo D-1 DVD player uses a similar interface and it makes
customization of the output for display so much easier
compared to the usual shift and size controls.

The reason for this is to allow some flexibility. I have a HD Leeza
I am using with a Panasonic 50" 6UY but the 1366x768 resolution on the
HDL seems to be setup for a Fujitsu PDP. The number of active
pixels are the same but the sync widths and porch timings are different
enough the normal shift controls on the HDL and the PDP are not
able to fully compensate when using the DVI input.

If these controls were exposed on the HDL
fixing this would have been very straightforward.

As for inputs I like to have at least HDMI that does 480i and SDI
as I already have a DVD player that uses SDI.
post #44 of 221
It is a no go for me unless it has an SDI input. I thought I indicated such to Algolith at CEDIA. And I am not interested in a SDI to DVI converter (which, by the way, I don't think would support a 480i signal. AFAIK, dvi's lowest resolution is 480p.
Steve
post #45 of 221
Thread Starter 
Bluevision. Your next to last post is in bad taste and is totally inappropriate. Joel was hoping that stand alone manufacturers who might use the Silicon Optix Realta chip were listening. This thread is directed at the upcoming Algorith box which reportedly will use the Realta chip giving us some portion of the legendary Teranex performance. I am sure the Gennun chip will gain widespread acceptance because of its lower cost and great ability. Things like the ability to do less than optimum 1080i deinterlacing on two different sources however really are of little interest to us here. There are other threads where discussion of the ability of your chip would be appropriate. Trying in this thread to turn some of us to the Gennum chip is inappropriate here.

Offering the Gennum SDI chip is funny and is not inappropriate. We love you and welcome your participation in this forum as well as your chip in improving many other manufacturer products. Whether your chip will make a better processor platform should be discussed elsewhere. We do not need a marketing effort in this thread. Peace.
post #46 of 221
Quote:
Originally posted by rogo
And to me, SDI is totally irrelevant as is support for CRT. And while I know the guys with SDI and CRT and respect them, both are hanging on to tiny niches of the market.

The mass market -- such as it is in this product class -- is digital projection, big flat digital panels, digital sources. We need at least 3 HDMI inputs, maybe 4. Everything else is, increasingly, Hoboken.

I'm not opposed to SDI and such at all, but I want one box that does a lot of things right. I wouldn't even consider a separate Mosquito because, well, that's another box and another $3000. Give me one box I can plug everything into -- including digital audio to delay it -- and all the inputs I really need and you've got my money.
However, digital projectors and flat panel displays have built-in scalers that are getting more and more capable as time progresses. I think we really have to identify the potential market for a high-end stand-alone scaler, particularly one that creates challenges with lip-sync delay. Is it people with $3500 front projectors? $6000 plasmas? Almost any rear projector? Probably not; it doesn't make sense to mate a $6000 external scaler with a $3500 front projector, or virtually any 720p display, for that matter.

I think that the potential market for high-end external scalers is constantly shrinking as scaling built into displays continues to improve. IMO, the market for external scalers using the HQV chip is going to go more and more high-end, targeting 1080p-capable displays owned by videophiles who are willing to endure the extra complications of implementing lip sync delays that track how much delay the scaler is introducing.

I still think that the ideal component to contain the HQV chip is a high-end receiver that can manage lip-sync issues automatically. It's perfectly practical to include visually transparent switching in such a device, and there is much money to be saved by having common sheetmetal, a common power supply, and the economies of scale that receivers represent.
post #47 of 221
I think its worth mentioning that the standard Realta has noise-reduction algorithms built in. They are Teranex algorithms (In fact, they are a liitle better than the existing teranex boxes due to some recent improvements in the algorithm)

Algolith is implementing thier own custom noise reduction algorithms on our processor for Dragonfly, but other possible Realta-based products would still have the stock noise-reduction algorithms.
post #48 of 221
Quote:
Originally posted by Alan Gouger
42 and 72 are a must. 42 for those using digital projectors 72 for the CRT crowed.

1080I de interlacing.

Custom re sizing and position of image for custom aspect ratios with 3 memory presets for those using anamorphic lens with their digitals.

The teranex and this chip have a very unique sharpness filter.
It can be used for SD/HD but whats nice is that you can not only sharpen or de sharpen but you can also dial in a video frequency allowing you to rid an image or dvd of that pesky edge enhancement.
Thats the one thing I loved about the Teranex and its one feature they use at the shows to make dvds compare close to HD. Please give us this feature.

This chip is very powerful with many features.

Just asking for 1080I de interlacing..42/72 hz and custom aspect ratio control
are features already in sub 3k boxes or will shortly become standard in sub 3k scalers.
We crave features beyond these from this chip or whats the use.

So manufactures using this chip please give us the unique potential from this chip and not just the standard features we are already use to seeing.

Im scared first generation products with this chip will fall short on its unique features and its capability because the manufactures wont know what to do with it first time around.
It would be good training for the manufacture to spend some hands on with a teranex to see what it can do.

I think a company would sell far more 6 or 7k mini teranex with features known and related to teranex then 3k boxes using this chip but with features limited to whats already out there.

Shortly everyone will have this chip but the one giving us its potential will be the one selling the most boxes.

The goal shouldn't be to keep the price at 3k that usually means we are going to be short changed somewhere so concentrate on giving us a killer box even if it means a higher price.
Alan, great vision as usual, perhaps we need to have two levels of HQV products a Dragon Fly HQV close to what we have in the works in the mid range of 3500 and an extreme high end unit with all the bells and whistles at a reasonable 9-10K$ and in line with our insect name line maybe call it Scarabe (a bigger insect)
post #49 of 221
Quote:
Originally posted by wjchan
Algolith has to decide what market they want to play in. I'm considering spending $10k on the Sony SXRD 70" RPTV. With that in mind, I think $7k for a processor to go with it is excessive for me. I think $3k is a nice price-point for people who have a nice $6k to $10k display device. Algolith has to figure out the tradeoffs at different price points in order to move the product.

The external SDI->DVI converters probably have to be tweaked to disable the internal scaler and I heard 480i over HDMI/DVI is a little different.
I agree, from all the feedback it is clear that there are various levels and flavours of scaling units required, a good thing, since it will create a viable line of products and lots of callanging work for us all at Algolith for many years to come
post #50 of 221
Quote:
Originally posted by mark haflich
Alan. Glad to have you on my band wagon! I was the first AVSer on for the NEC HT1000 band wagon and I was floored by this Silicon Optix thing when I saw it at the launch party at CEDIA.

I was very excited about the Algolith product because of my evident misunderstanding that the Mosquito noise reduction algorithms would be included in its $3.5K Realta chip based deinterlacer/scaler. I really can live without the Mosquito noise reduction thing but having it included in a video processor certainly might persuade me to get that one instead of a competitor's processor using the Realta chip.

I also would like to see Lumagen abandon their present processor chips in favor of a Realta or two. Lumagen pretty much has this processor thing down but are indeed limited by the 480i deinterlacing chip they are using and the lack of 1080i deinterlacing algorithms in their gated chip and the number of gates available for 1080i deinterlacing.
Mark Mosquito Noise reduction will end up eventually in the Realta, just not at first, simple restriction of available ressources for now, the component approach is to achieve the best posible picture quality today (well CES) with a serious showing at EHX fall. All this tread's input make it clear in our mind that perhaps a level up product from the currently planned Dragon Fly will be required, now the key point is at what price point, is 3-4K the max you're willing to pay for all the features you'd like or like Alan are willing to pay more? Well now it seems he wants it but at 3 k. What I like about all this feedback is the confirmation on features required and their potential number of users
post #51 of 221
Quote:
Originally posted by Robert2413
Regarding potential degal liability due to SDI inputs: An SDI input creates no legal liability for a scaler manufacturer at all because there are plenty of fully legal SDI sources (most professional) available. The fact that SDI-modded DVD players fall into a gray area is not the scaler manufacturer's problem. In fact, they _shouldn't_ fall into a gray area because anyone who wants to make a copy of a DVD can do so perfectly right now by means of a computer and software that is widely available on the Internet. Such copies are better than copies that could be made through SDI because (1) the computer copy can occur faster than realtime, and (2) a copy through SDI must go through one MPEG decode/encode cycle, whereas the computer copy uses the original MPEG encoding on the disk.

Good Point, perhaps we can add an SDI input option, without any legal issues, we'll check it out. We're not doing anything to the DVD player, you folks are!

However, SDI or SDI-HD outputs can be a problem because, if I understand the law correctly, it is illegal for a signal that originated as HDMI to be transcoded to SDI-HD. Hence, those of us with products like HD TiVo (that have an HDMI output) could not connect those to a scaler with the hope that the scaler could legally output any sort of digital output or even full bandwidth analog. AFAIK, the only digital inputs that permit this legally are DVI (not copy-protected) and SDI.

That's correct and really was my point about SDI HD SDI in and out if we restrict it to an SDI input option, I believe we may have a viable model
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This legal morass is a sore point for many high end home theater hobbyists because the law does not protect against serious commercial piracy, yet it makes it difficult or impossible for a home theater owner to achieve the highest PQ implicit in the source material.

Regarding the subject of the thread -- I use an SDI-modded DVD player and any scaler without a SDI input would be out of the running for me.

True! with SDI out, you get the best posible 480 i , if an SDI mod was available for the Mosquito unit would the the algolith component principle work better for SDI users?
I would like to see HDMI inputs and outputs available, even though I do not presently have a display that supports them.
HDMI is definetively on, we believe it is the Digital CE standard of the not too distant future and like SDi it has 480i capability Good Point, perhaps we can add an SDI input option, without any legal issues, we'll check it out. We're not doing anything to the DVD player, you folks are! That's correct and really was my point about SDI HD SDI in and out if we restrict it to an SDI input option, I believe we may have a viable model
post #52 of 221
Thread Starter 
Adding a variety of inputs such as SDI, DVI, HDMI, DVI-HDCP etc etc and using for analog outs BNCs and even having to use 2 Realta chips plus some or a lot of additional programing doesn't take a $3.5 processpor to the $9 or $10K. About $6K is as high as one can go. You can sell some at $6k MSRP because it will sell on the internet for about $4.5K.

PS. Make it the way your presently planning it at $3.5 MSRP and you will be no more sucessful than your present Mosquito noise reduction box. There will be other manufacturers who presently make processors with all the features we want in the $2 to $3K range. All they have to do is to use the Realta chip or two of them at a reported cost of $300 per chip instead of the 2 chips they are presently using. So what happens, a $4 to $5K box.
post #53 of 221
Quote:
Originally posted by steve
It is a no go for me unless it has an SDI input. I thought I indicated such to Algolith at CEDIA. And I am not interested in a SDI to DVI converter (which, by the way, I don't think would support a 480i signal. AFAIK, dvi's lowest resolution is 480p.
Steve
However the HDMi standard does support 480i, and just like SDI it can be 10 bit as well. If HDMI becomes a widely accepted standard doesn't the need for SDi eventually fade out?
post #54 of 221
Quote:
Originally posted by bluevision
Algolith,

We'd be glad to supply you with an SDI chipset to meet the demands of your potential customers. ;)
Thanks Bluevision, can we get "massive quantity" pricing, as usual. it sounds like everyone on this forum is looking for SDI inputs
post #55 of 221
Quote:
Originally posted by rogo
And to me, SDI is totally irrelevant as is support for CRT. And while I know the guys with SDI and CRT and respect them, both are hanging on to tiny niches of the market.

The mass market -- such as it is in this product class -- is digital projection, big flat digital panels, digital sources. We need at least 3 HDMI inputs, maybe 4. Everything else is, increasingly, Hoboken. We'll have 2 HDMI, one YC, one composite and one component for sure!

I'm not opposed to SDI and such at all, but I want one box that does a lot of things right. I wouldn't even consider a separate Mosquito because, well, that's another box and another $3000. Give me one box I can plug everything into -- including digital audio to delay it -- and all the inputs I really need and you've got my money.
Again for now we can't promise Mosquito NR and HQV in the one box. We will have electrical digital and optical audio inputs and outputs, delayed to match video processing delay
post #56 of 221
Quote:
Originally posted by mark haflich
Adding a variety of inputs such as SDI, DVI, HDMI, DVI-HDCP etc etc and using for analog outs BNCs and even having to use 2 Realta chips plus some or a lot of additional programing doesn't take a $3.5 processpor to the $9 or $10K. About $6K is as high as one can go. You can sell some at $6k MSRP because it will sell on the internet for about $4.5K.

PS. Make it the way your presently planning it at $3.5 MSRP and you will be no more sucessful than your present Mosquito noise reduction box. There will be other manufacturers who presently make processors with all the features we want in the $2 to $3K range. All they have to do is to use the Realta chip or two of them at a reported cost of $300 per chip instead of the 2 chips they are presently using. So what happens, a $4 to $5K box.
Mark the Mosquito is getting great reception, rave reviews http://www.algolith.com/index.php?id=105
and a rapidlly increasing following, especially from Flat displays, LCD and DLP projector users, many of the people on this tread have units,
http://www.algolith.com/index.php?id=104
At CEDIA our first HT show with a shipping product, we signed on a ton of new dealers, in 20 years of doing this I have never seen such success at a show. Did you not initiate this tread because you liked the Mosquito technology combined with Silicon Optix HQV? Developing products takes a mighty long time, Mosquito NR was in development for 5 years, the Mosquito product took more than a year to get out Now we're here and listening to your inputs If the up and coming Dragon Fly which has been in development for a while now, way before CEDIA's showing doesn't quite fit you're expectations, Well as I said in my first reply to your introduction when you started this tread pls forgive us, we are far in the process of developing the Dragon Fly. With the power of the AVS forum and all the great suggestions we're getting, a bit more time and Moore's law on our side, I'm sure we will eventually have a product meeting your needs and expectations.
Should we understand that you believe the Dragon Fly should sell for less than 2k or less?
post #57 of 221
Quote:
Originally posted by kromkamp
I think its worth mentioning that the standard Realta has noise-reduction algorithms built in. They are Teranex algorithms (In fact, they are a liitle better than the existing teranex boxes due to some recent improvements in the algorithm)

Algolith is implementing thier own custom noise reduction algorithms on our processor for Dragonfly, but other possible Realta-based products would still have the stock noise-reduction algorithms.
Indeed, Realta has excellent 3D ramdom noise reduction, excellent point perhaps that wasn't clear. it's a Gaussian type noise reducer, so it cleans up grainy images like poor reception and excessive film grain noise. Hence NR is part of the Dragon Fly, for those of you who can't stand the type of noise associated with Digital Cable and Satellite TV and to a certain extent many DVD's. MNR in the Mosquito will correct noises and artifacts like Macro Blocks, and Mosquito random noise along the edges, then the addition of the Mosquito will give you maximum PQ especially for MPEG2, WM9 or any DCT based compressed image. So the component approach is an option not a must.
post #58 of 221
Quote:
Originally posted by Alan Gouger


This chip is very powerful with many features.

So manufactures using this chip please give us the unique potential from this chip and not just the standard features we are already use to seeing.

I think a company would sell far more 6 or 7k mini teranex with features known and related to teranex then 3k boxes using this chip but with features limited to whats already out there.
Alan:

Exactly, a mini Teranex, $6-$7K, also you had the original Teranex, I beleive the NR was nothing less than awesome on SD video.

Manufacture's are you listening?
post #59 of 221
Thread Starter 
Silicon Optix has projected that 3rd party video processors using the Realta chip would be on the market starting at about $1.5K. Full featured processors with just about anything we could wish for absent the deinterlacing/scaling superiority of the Realta (Teranex) algorithms possible with the Realta chip are available for a little over $2K MSRP. Add in the differential cost of the Realta chip (less the cost of the present chip or two chips these processors have to use for SD and HD). Apply say a 5 times cost multiplier to the chip differential. We should get all this for about $4k. Add Mosquito, maybe $5K. You could go to $6K but that would really depress sales. Thats it. Make it more expensive and see how many here will buy it. Remember most of us already have made substantial investments in processors. The days of $10K stuff are gone. The new 1080p processor from Faroudja lists for $6495.

Silicon Optix wants to sell its chips. Hell they have designed a board for the those wishing to produce a processor and there are OEMers already set to produce the board for manufacturers. All one needs to do is to design a case with the right inputs and outputs. Yea I know there are other things needed, perhaps an SDI input board etc etc. I do not know. There will indeed be competition among those licensing and procuring the chip.

Algolith has an advantage. It is the first one out of the box and it has a feature no one else can offer, its Mosquito noise reduction intellectual property. It does not have any hardware advantage. Of course, I suspect you guys would like to license your technology to others instead of . . . . . The Silicon Optix and Faroudja etc etc models. Others can deal with the features needed to surround the core. If you want to sell the whole box, please provide the features and be aware of what others will offer their boxes for. I do not mean to be hostile. You guys are great guys and have a lot to offer us.
post #60 of 221
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Originally posted by Joel
Gennum and its OEMs, are you listening? :) This exchange is relevant to folks making boxes with BOTH the Realta and the VXP.

I agree that 7k is a lot to spend on a process for a 10k display, but if it were bundled into a top quality DVD player or AV processor, for example, then it starts to get more interesting at the 5-8k price point.

Cheers
Hi Mark,

I apologize if I offended you or others on this thread with my second last post. I took Joel's question literally, "Gennum and its OEMs, are you listening?".

The discussion in the thread was turning toward an apparent cost issue ($3k vs. $7K etc.). I wanted to make everyone aware, including those from Algolith that there are other options that might assist them with achieving their feature set and cost targets.

The SDI chipset comment was a joke and hence the ;) We know and respect the folks from Algolith. They are very familiar with the Gennum SDI solution since this was one of the solutions that they used as a part of Miranda.

Algolith has a great set of IP including their Mosquito box. They'll be successful with whatever options they choose.

<Peace>
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