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post #5941 of 6141
Rick I have noticed exactly the same thing with my setup. I'm using a silver streak indoor antenna, but have to turn it in order to get channel 11 to come in decent. I'm in League City and also thought all the transmitters were in the same place. Is that not the case?
post #5942 of 6141
Any particular reason why KRIV went from Dal @ SF to Chi @ NO on NFL Broadcast maps?

I'm familiar with NFL Broadcast and Blackout rules.

Dallas and Houston play at the same time, on different networks this week. With the Texans away this week, KRIV is free to air the Cowboys game against it. Past years I've seen KRIV air a Cowboys game to directly compete with KHOU.

Are there really that many more New Orleans fans in the area that they can justify switching to that game or is KRIV no longer willing to air a game against the Texans game?

I like the Texans, I love what they are doing this year, but I'm a Cowboys die hard and I wanna know if this is the start of getting to see less Cowboys games from KRIV...
post #5943 of 6141
Does KRIV decide or does Fox Sports decide which game KRIV gets?

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Originally Posted by vikmars View Post

Any particular reason why KRIV went from Dal @ SF to Chi @ NO on NFL Broadcast maps?

I'm familiar with NFL Broadcast and Blackout rules.

Dallas and Houston play at the same time, on different networks this week. With the Texans away this week, KRIV is free to air the Cowboys game against it. Past years I've seen KRIV air a Cowboys game to directly compete with KHOU.

Are there really that many more New Orleans fans in the area that they can justify switching to that game or is KRIV no longer willing to air a game against the Texans game?

I like the Texans, I love what they are doing this year, but I'm a Cowboys die hard and I wanna know if this is the start of getting to see less Cowboys games from KRIV...
post #5944 of 6141
The local station does. I have emailed KRIV before asking them to air a Saints game instead of another game and they cite things like "we air the teams that are currently on a winning streak" or "past or recebt super bowl champions", etc.
post #5945 of 6141
I think today is strictly a ratings decision. Ch26 assumes that a noon NFC game will have higher ratings than (the only) 3pm NFC game against the Texans.

The draw at noon is the Saints - not the Jets, Jaguars or Bears. There's the consideration of all the refugees from n.o., but that's for another forum. Which will be a better game? Don't care.

I'm a native Houstonian. My dad, a very long time Houstonian and a Cowboys fan from day one, would take us out of town so that he/we could watch Cowboys games in the 70s/80s. Generally it was to College Station - yes, we're an Aggie family too, so we're not all that bad.

As I have done in recent years, I'll look for an online stream of the Cowboys game and watch it that way.

Blackouts and over-restrictive territories punish fans. Heh, it's ridiculous that they (the NFL & McNair) still don't even allow radio coverage of the Cowboys in Houston.

There's no way I'd ever convert to an Oilers, Titans or Texans fan. Just like you couldn't covert me to be a teasip!

But today I do blame Ch26, just as I blamed Ch11 when they had the NFC.

If only we could pick up the Fox Victoria affiliate...
post #5946 of 6141
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Originally Posted by kwg View Post
I think today is strictly a ratings decision. Ch26 assumes that a noon NFC game will have higher ratings than (the only) 3pm NFC game against the Texans.

The draw at noon is the Saints - not the Jets, Jaguars or Bears. There's the consideration of all the refugees from n.o., but that's for another forum. Which will be a better game? Don't care.

I'm a native Houstonian. My dad, a very long time Houstonian and a Cowboys fan from day one, would take us out of town so that he/we could watch Cowboys games in the 70s/80s. Generally it was to College Station - yes, we're an Aggie family too, so we're not all that bad.

As I have done in recent years, I'll look for an online stream of the Cowboys game and watch it that way.

Blackouts and over-restrictive territories punish fans. Heh, it's ridiculous that they (the NFL & McNair) still don't even allow radio coverage of the Cowboys in Houston.

There's no way I'd ever convert to an Oilers, Titans or Texans fan. Just like you couldn't covert me to be a teasip!

But today I do blame Ch26, just as I blamed Ch11 when they had the NFC.

If only we could pick up the Fox Victoria affiliate...
You make a lot of valid points with ratings, blackouts, etc. I'm sure you are 100% on point with the ratings logic.

I'm a Saints fan and not a refugee. It sucks that all of these "refugees" had to ruin the perception of the good people here in Houston who moved from Louisiana and are normal, productive members of society.

I have the Cowboys game, on my Dish with Shreveport locals--they opted for the Cowboys game rather than the Saints game. I have similar sentiments about that station as you do with Fox26.
post #5947 of 6141
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Originally Posted by sbmanuel View Post
I have the Cowboys game, on my Dish with Shreveport locals--they opted for the Cowboys game rather than the Saints game. I have similar sentiments about that station as you do with Fox26.
What a paradox.


Some thoughts:

I don't understand why Houston feels the need to punish Cowboys fans. It's not like were roaming the streets trying to recruit Texans fans into the True Blue fan club. Were in Texas. Show Texas teams. Just because the home town team plays at the same time as the "hated rivals" (Cowboys fans don't feel as strongly about the Texans "rivalry: as Texans fans do, sorry guys, we just don't. We respect y'all) doesn't mean you can't show it. NFL rules aren't prohibiting it since Houston is away.....RANT.



Well while we are on the subject of Saints games on a local broadcast forum. Looks like KRIV switched out of HD for a few minutes for some reason.... HD is back on now.
post #5948 of 6141
Quote:
I have the Cowboys game, on my Dish with Shreveport locals--they opted for the Cowboys game rather than the Saints game.
I remember seeing that station had voting at one time on what game should be shown.

If Ch26 allowed voting, the results would be so lopsided...
Texans fans voting against Cowboys
Saints fans voting for Saints / against Cowboys

http://www.kmsstv.com/saints-cowboys-poll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_on_television
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_on_...er_information
post #5949 of 6141
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Originally Posted by sbmanuel View Post
You make a lot of valid points with ratings, blackouts, etc. I'm sure you are 100% on point with the ratings logic.

I'm a Saints fan and not a refugee. It sucks that all of these "refugees" had to ruin the perception of the good people here in Houston who moved from Louisiana and are normal, productive members of society.

I have the Cowboys game, on my Dish with Shreveport locals--they opted for the Cowboys game rather than the Saints game. I have similar sentiments about that station as you do with Fox26.
Do you have HD signals from them through Dish? I am still "living" in NYC, and get the NY locals, so I get the Cowboys game too - along w/ Chargers-Patriots at 3:15. Unfortunately, the NYC locals come in SD here.
post #5950 of 6141
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Originally Posted by kwg View Post


But today I do blame Ch26, just as I blamed Ch11 when they had the NFC.

If only we could pick up the Fox Victoria affiliate...

Did KBTV, the Beaumont affiliate carry the Cowboys? If so, maybe y'all could take up a collection or have a bake sale and get them off or that 800 Tinker Toy they're on and buy them a real 2000 foot stick to transmit from.... Just a thought.
post #5951 of 6141
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Originally Posted by OTAhead View Post

Did KBTV, the Beaumont affiliate carry the Cowboys? If so, maybe y'all could take up a collection or have a bake sale and get them off or that 800 Tinker Toy they're on and buy them a real 2000 foot stick to transmit from.... Just a thought.

Apparently, every FOX station in Texas, except for KRIV, carried the Cowboys-49ers game.
post #5952 of 6141
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Originally Posted by newsman View Post

Apparently, every FOX station in Texas, except for KRIV, carried the Cowboys-49ers game.

I'd like to thank the fine folks at KRIV. I enjoyed the Saints game.
post #5953 of 6141
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Originally Posted by newsman View Post

Apparently, every FOX station in Texas, except for KRIV, carried the Cowboys-49ers game.

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Originally Posted by sbmanuel View Post

I'd like to thank the fine folks at KRIV. I enjoyed the Saints game.

Just shows you can't please everyone...
post #5954 of 6141
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Originally Posted by OTAhead View Post

Did KBTV, the Beaumont affiliate carry the Cowboys? If so, maybe y'all could take up a collection or have a bake sale and get them off or that 800 Tinker Toy they're on and buy them a real 2000 foot stick to transmit from.... Just a thought.

Noone in the BPT market will ever go above 1200ft unfortunately due to spacing and interference standards (which the FCC screwed up even more in the DTV transition days)....Cumulus, the radio folks, HAD a FAA/FCC registration clearance to build what was to be called the Superman tower in Vidor...(because?? OH YOU WILL LOVE THIS!, it was to be built at the north end of Lois Lane......makes wonder what they would have called it had it been at the SOUTH end of Lois....ohhhhhh never mind...I MAY get removed for that joke!) It was 375m high (taller than KBTVs old 4 analog tower WITH the 10bay batwing on top.....which actually takes away about 200ft from the TOWER height...) so with the new Superman tower, it would have been 1200ft of TOWER then added the TV and FM antennas (it was to be a Sr Road master for the Triangle).. but Cumulus cancelled the idea when they could get NOONE to sign on as a tennant...and cancelled the ASR!!! DAMN!!!!

2000 foot would have to go WAY NORTH of Vidor because of BPT airport next to Nederland; originally Jeff County...then SETX Regional and now Jack Brooks Regional...WHAT A LOAD of CRAP...He already had the federal building in downtown BMT named for him...HELL, name the airport after Gordon Baxter or someone else like Bob Crippen!!! THAT would be better than Brooks ...what a crook anyway. I have PERSONAL knowledge of him...my dad and several others tried to start a new bank in Port Neches in the late 60s...got told by Brooks (who was a powerful US Congressman then) they would NOT get approved with HIM being on the Board....they refused and the bank was not approved..turns out Brooks was sitting on EVERY BoD of EVERY bank in Jefferson and Orange Counties....HMMMMM!!!!
post #5955 of 6141
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Originally Posted by OTAhead View Post

Did KBTV, the Beaumont affiliate carry the Cowboys? If so, maybe y'all could take up a collection or have a bake sale and get them off or that 800 Tinker Toy they're on and buy them a real 2000 foot stick to transmit from.... Just a thought.

No, he could have switch his local to BMT that day for the game on 4.1 and then switched back later that night...its done all the time ....Keep that in mind for next time.....Need an address for "service" I can give you several...
post #5956 of 6141
post #5957 of 6141
Heads up: The Lions/Cowboys game will not be shown in Houston this week because it's up against the Steelers/Texans. (KRIV will show Giants/Cardinals at 3:15.) KBTV in Beaumont is scheduled to show Lions/Cowboys at noon.
post #5958 of 6141
I am considering getting rid of Uverse and going the OTA + Boxee/Roku route. I live on the Pearland/Manvel line and am less than 10 miles from the farm according to TV Fool (analysis attached below). I would really prefer to mount the antenna in the attic as opposed to the roof. There is no radiant barrier or anything similar installed in the house. If I were to go attic, could I get away with a Channel Master 2016 (Link), or would I have to bump up to something like the Channel Master 2020 (Link)?
LL
post #5959 of 6141
I'm about 5 mi SE of Richmond and 12-13 miles from the farm. I have a 2018 in the attick with excellent results.
post #5960 of 6141
Looking for some guidance on my setup. I'm in Spring and currently have a HD7694P in the attic run through a Motorola Signal Booster (484095-001-00) & a 6 way splitter for distribution to 5 tv's in the house. I'm getting great signals (100%) on the vast majority of stations.

My dilemma is I can't seem to pick up 34.2, 34.4, 46.1 at all. Attached is a copy of my TVFool info. Do I simply need to increase the signal with a CM7777 (or similar)?
post #5961 of 6141
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Originally Posted by thegreatgumbino View Post

Looking for some guidance on my setup. I'm in Spring and currently have a HD7694P in the attic run through a Motorola Signal Booster (484095-001-00) & a 6 way splitter for distribution to 5 tv's in the house. I'm getting great signals (100%) on the vast majority of stations.

My dilemma is I can't seem to pick up 34.2, 34.4, 46.1 at all. Attached is a copy of my TVFool info. Do I simply need to increase the signal with a CM7777 (or similar)?

I doubt you will be able to pick up the low-power stations that far away from Missouri City. 34's coverage map is very optimistic. You may have better luck with 46.

Good luck.
post #5962 of 6141
You would be surprised at the results of getting the antenna out of the attic and onto the roof. Most likely (in fact I would almost be willing to bet) that you would be able to drag in 34.x (would require a rescan). The little Motorola amp is designed to be more of a port multiplier for exactly the purpous you are making of it, to drive multiple taps. Still with a 6-way your loss through that splitter is huge (slightly more than what the Motorola can fully compensate for but much better than not having the amp at all).

A 2-way splitter has (approx) 3.5 db loss per port - while many of them are marked 3db in real life the loss is closer to -3.5 per port.

A 4-way splitter has (approx) 7 db loss per port - it is comprised internally of a 2-way driving two more 2-ways in cascade.

An 8-way splitter has (approx) 11 db loss per port - it is comprised of a 2-way driving two 2-ways which in turn are each driving two more 2-ways all in cascade. An x-ray of it would look like seven 2-way splitters all in one housing.

A 6-way splitter is a mutation with a 2-way driving a 4-way plus another 2-way all inside a common housing. The output ports are likely marked with their net loss. 4 of them will be (approx) -11db, the other 2 will be -7 DB

This is similar to a 3-way splitter which is made from two 2-ways in tandem. 1 of the ports will be -3.5db and the other 2 will be -7

What's important it that you install the screw-on 75-ohm terminators on any unused ports of any splitter. If you could see the result on a spectrum analyzer with a sweep generator on the input of the splitter you would understand why.

-3.5 db = slightly less than 1/2 of the original signal at each port
-7 db = slightly less than 1/4 of the original signal at each port
-11db = slightly less than 1/10th if the original signal at each port

Signal splitters are not your friend.

Bubba's 1st rule of inline signal amplifiers: You cannot amplify a signal that does not exist.
Bubba's 2nd rule of inline signal amplifiers: Garbage in = garbage out

Put the antenna on the roof along with a pre-amplifier designed for the desired frequency band you wish to receive. Beware, Houston TV stations use both VHF and UHF frequency bands. The little 7694P is a swell UHF/VHF duo-band antenna, but it is designed for zone-1 reception. It well may be able to do what you're asking of it, but not inside an attic. It's performance will improve 10-fold by putting it on the roof on a small tripod and pointing it toward Missouri City.

trust me....

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post #5963 of 6141
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Originally Posted by thegreatgumbino View Post

Looking for some guidance on my setup. I'm in Spring and currently have a HD7694P in the attic run through a Motorola Signal Booster (484095-001-00) & a 6 way splitter for distribution to 5 tv's in the house. I'm getting great signals (100%) on the vast majority of stations.

My dilemma is I can't seem to pick up 34.2, 34.4, 46.1 at all. Attached is a copy of my TVFool info. Do I simply need to increase the signal with a CM7777 (or similar)?

Picked up a Channel Master 2020 today at Fry's and relocated to a new spot in the attic where it would fit. Didn't pick up a single channel out of 34.2, 34.4, or 46.1, which is a bummer. I helped a friend install the CM 2020 in his attic last week and he got all three plus 3.1 & 3.2. He's about 5 miles south and 5 miles east of me. Guess I'll re-install the HD7694P and be content. Thanks for the help folks.
post #5964 of 6141
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Originally Posted by thegreatgumbino View Post

Picked up a Channel Master 2020 today at Fry's and relocated to a new spot in the attic where it would fit. Didn't pick up a single channel out of 34.2, 34.4, or 46.1, which is a bummer. I helped a friend install the CM 2020 in his attic last week and he got all three plus 3.1 & 3.2. He's about 5 miles south and 5 miles east of me. Guess I'll re-install the HD7694P and be content. Thanks for the help folks.

Is there no way you could mount the antenna outside? You are losing several dBs of signal with the antenna located in the attic...
post #5965 of 6141
I agree with OTAhead. Take it outside for at least a test.

Things like radiant barrier (maybe paint, maybe foil on the sheathing, etc) can attenuate your signal. Metal parts can reflect the signal and cause multi-path interference.

Set it on the apex of the roof, with some blocking or padding to hold it steady, and give it another try...
post #5966 of 6141
I agree it would most definitely work on the roof. Just being stubborn & don't want to put it outside. I get everything else except those few channels with 100% signal. I have more to watch now than I can handle, so I'll keep it simple and in the attic.
post #5967 of 6141
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Originally Posted by thegreatgumbino View Post

I agree it would most definitely work on the roof. Just being stubborn & don't want to put it outside. I get everything else except those few channels with 100% signal. I have more to watch now than I can handle, so I'll keep it simple and in the attic.

Well good luck and enjoy!
post #5968 of 6141
Hello

We are building in Riverstone, along the Missouri City Sugar Land border, at hwy 6 .
The builder is going to put in techshield in the roof as a radiant barrier, and I want to cut the cord from Comcrap.
I was going to ask the AV wiring guy to run a coax line from the main junction to the attic so I could put in an attic antenna for the OTA broadcast.
From what I researched, doing this with a techshield is a fools errand.
Putting the antenna on the roof (visible) is a no go for aesthetic reasons.

Has anyone successfully put an antenna in the attic with techshield?

Any options that will work without an outdoor antenna?
Someone mentioned something crazy like taping the coax line to the radiant barrier itself in another forum... But he next response was the static charge might harm the equipment.

Thanks,

Sunil
post #5969 of 6141
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Originally Posted by sksahai View Post

Hello

We are building in Riverstone, along the Missouri City Sugar Land border, at hwy 6 .
The builder is going to put in techshield in the roof as a radiant barrier, and I want to cut the cord from Comcrap.
I was going to ask the AV wiring guy to run a coax line from the main junction to the attic so I could put in an attic antenna for the OTA broadcast.
From what I researched, doing this with a techshield is a fools errand.
Putting the antenna on the roof (visible) is a no go for aesthetic reasons.

Has anyone successfully put an antenna in the attic with techshield?

Any options that will work without an outdoor antenna?
Someone mentioned something crazy like taping the coax line to the radiant barrier itself in another forum... But he next response was the static charge might harm the equipment.

Thanks,

Sunil

Techshield and attic antennas are mutually incompatible! Simply put, it ain't goona work very well. Now since you're in MC/SL, it is possible, that if the attic has enough height, and the end gable faces south, and if there is no metallic barrier in that gable's construction, you might get a usable signal on some stations. However, there are NO guarantees.

The other alternative...if mounting on the roof or chimney is not an option, is to mount on the rear edge of the house, with a pole continuing into the ground. Whether this is an option again depends upon the orientation of your house (so that the techshield roof is not between it and the "antenna farm"), and aesthetics...of course.
post #5970 of 6141
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Originally Posted by hdguru View Post

Techshield and attic antennas a mutually incompatible! Simply put, it ain't goona work very well. Now since you're in MC/SL, it is possible, that if the attic has enough height, and the end gable faces south, and if there is no metallic barrier in that gable's construction, you might get a usable signal on some stations. However, there are NO guarantees.

The other alternative...if mounting on the roof or chimney is not an option, is to mount on the rear edge of the house, with a pole continuing into the ground. Whether this is an option again depends upon the orientation of your house (so that the techshield roof is not between it and the "antenna farm"), and aesthetics...of course.

"Aesthetics" defined: Meaning your wife says there a'int no way that "ugly thing" is going to be put up outside MY house"...
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