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post #2551 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Digitude View Post

... USDTV sells their converters at WalMart. The herding masses will not care or even comprehend reduced bit rates and downrezzing. If they get 20 channels for 20 bucks and 15 are the ones watched every day - whats not to like? Most everyone in Norfolk, Suffolk, Portsmouth and parts of Chesapeake can probably receive these stations with rabbit ears.

Good point... especially "reduced bit rates and downrezzing..." The broadcasters might not care either. They want and need eyeballs...
post #2552 of 6660
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

Yes they do! The CM4228 in an attic here too... No problems!

Is that 100% of the time? Currently Friday 8 AM, 2.0.
post #2553 of 6660
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Originally Posted by lastplace View Post

Is that 100% of the time? Currently Friday 8 AM, 2.0.

No... neither are the other locals. You'll find most DD5.1 during primetime and sporting events... All of these games will be this weekend and check out some network programming tonight at 8... The only channel that doesn't is WGNT-DT. They are DD2.0. "i" (WPXV/49) doesn't broadcast in hi-def...

Saturday, January 7
4:30 p.m. on ABC -- Washington (10-6) at Tampa Bay (11-5)
8:00 p.m. on ABC -- Jacksonville (12-4) at New England (10-6)

Sunday, January 8
1:00 p.m. on FOX -- Carolina (11-5) at N.Y. Giants (11-5)
4:30 p.m. on CBS -- Pittsburgh (11-5) at Cincinnati (11-5)
post #2554 of 6660
Thanks for the info.



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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

No... neither are the other locals. You'll find most DD5.1 during primetime and sporting events... All of these games will be this weekend and check out some network programming tonight at 8... The only channel that doesn't is WGNT-DT. They are DD2.0. "i" (WPXV/49) doesn't broadcast in hi-def...

Saturday, January 7
4:30 p.m. on ABC -- Washington (10-6) at Tampa Bay (11-5)
8:00 p.m. on ABC -- Jacksonville (12-4) at New England (10-6)

Sunday, January 8
1:00 p.m. on FOX -- Carolina (11-5) at N.Y. Giants (11-5)
4:30 p.m. on CBS -- Pittsburgh (11-5) at Cincinnati (11-5)
post #2555 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Digitude View Post

Their target market is people living in trailers who buy digital TVs (are analog TVs even sold anymore?) but can't afford $60/month for digital cable or satellite. This is why USDTV sells their converters at WalMart. The herding masses will not care or even comprehend reduced bit rates and downrezzing. If they get 20 channels for 20 bucks and 15 are the ones watched every day - whats not to like? Most everyone in Norfolk, Suffolk, Portsmouth and parts of Chesapeake can probably receive these stations with rabbit ears.

Directv and Cox basic packages are around $40/mo for way more programming choices than the 20 channels for $20/mo.

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I can't see someone purchasing a digital tv and then limiting themselves to 20 ho-hum channels. Now those who keep their analg sets may be the targeted segment of the potential audience.
post #2556 of 6660
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

I can't see someone purchasing a digital tv and then limiting themselves to 20 ho-hum channels. Now those who keep their analg sets may be the targeted segment of the potential audience.

Makes sense. They are used to looking at a fuzzy picture so max subchannels wouldn't bother them at all.
post #2557 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Digitude View Post

Makes sense. They are used to looking at a fuzzy picture so max subchannels wouldn't bother them at all.

Thinking back though of my old Mits 35" with the line doubler they may just get better pq than I get now with my receiver trying to convert a less than quality 480i SD to 540p. Sometimes when watching WAVY local news on 10-2 it looks like I'm watching through water.(I guess that's where the WAVY comes in?)
post #2558 of 6660
WAVY Lip sync last night on Earl, Office, ER. DD 5.1 in-program only and national commericals (commercials to a lesser extent). Local commercials and news/weather 11:00 news promos spot-on. Double-checked against WTKR, their CSI in DD 5.1 had no issues, rules out my setup as the problem. Just FYI.

This USDigital thing is aweful. Lets multicast more, sure, thats a good idea, with MPEG-2, yeah, great. Why can't they just take out one 19 Mbit channel of their own, and load it full of SD channels, using MPEG-4. They could get all 20 on that one channel, and leave everyone alone. Hell, I got a XTV box that gets 70+ channels of adult for $30 a month streaming via the internet, and at 768 KILOBITS/sec using an MPEG-4 varient, quality looks close to DVD on my set. At 768k a channel, you could squeeze 25 channels into 19Mb. This would not be an issue if all the stations were hooked into COX/Verizon FIOS/DirecTV/Dish via fiber at the full 19 or better. If that was in place, I wouldn't care. blah blah blah etc. and so forth...

The governement either needs to restrict stations from selling bandwidth to third parties, or more likely, create a new license for broadcasting encrypted via OTA for "private" networks. That way there is much less of an incentive for stations to sell bandwidth on exisiting systems, by the time they pay all the fees and wade through red tape. This is what I thought the FCC is for, making sure one signal doesn't interfere with another, not judging content.
post #2559 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Digitude View Post

Their target market is people living in trailers who buy digital TVs (are analog TVs even sold anymore?) but can't afford $60/month for digital cable or satellite. This is why USDTV sells their converters at WalMart. The herding masses will not care or even comprehend reduced bit rates and downrezzing. If they get 20 channels for 20 bucks and 15 are the ones watched every day - whats not to like? Most everyone in Norfolk, Suffolk, Portsmouth and parts of Chesapeake can probably receive these stations with rabbit ears.


You'd be very suprised at what programming the demographic you describe subscribes to. They most likely have a big screen and subscribe to ALL available channels (SD of course )

You see they have more disposible income than most, as they can live without the luxury of health insurance (emergency room for a tummy ache, a la medicaid), and groceries (steaks with those cute little red, white and blue debit cards), and retirement savings (SSI).
post #2560 of 6660
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post


Remember Vurbano did warn us a long time ago. I have to say he was right.

I think we all knew it was coming. I just hope it fails.
post #2561 of 6660
Even if it fails it will be long and painful for all of us while it lasts.

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I think we all knew it was coming. I just hope it fails.
post #2562 of 6660
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

I can't see someone purchasing a digital tv and then limiting themselves to 20 ho-hum channels. Now those who keep their analg sets may be the targeted segment of the potential audience.

Yeah, and I can't see people buying a $129 stereo, $99 speakers, and a $39 DVD player and then forking out $150 for Monster Cable speaker wire, RCA cables, etc.

But it happens.

Maybe they watch a lot of DVD's and just want clear reception on the OTA channels and one or two extra channels like ESPN for MNF (excuse me, that's Football on Monday Night now LOL) -- the DVD watching is the reason for the TV, the 20 for $20 is just ancilliary.

W
post #2563 of 6660
Thread Starter 
Can those of you that want to debate the USDTV move into this market please move it to the other thread for this market?

Thanks.
post #2564 of 6660
But that is the HD thread

(Just kidding)
post #2565 of 6660
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Originally Posted by BlingBling420 View Post

Why can't they just take out one 19 Mbit channel of their own, and load it full of SD channels, using MPEG-4.

From what I'm reading elsewhere, I think that's exactly what they're planning to do with channels 17 & 45.

I never understood why they were implemented to begin with. LIN's intentions & explanations were always kinda fuzzy & never really added up. Now it makes much more sense.

I really hope I'm right. If I am, we shouldn't have anything to fear from their entry into our market, as far as local HD reception & PQ are concerned.
post #2566 of 6660
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Originally Posted by BlingBling420 View Post

WAVY Lip sync last night on Earl, Office, ER. DD 5.1 in-program only and national commericals (commercials to a lesser extent). Local commercials and news/weather 11:00 news promos spot-on. Double-checked against WTKR, their CSI in DD 5.1 had no issues, rules out my setup as the problem. Just FYI.

Good! It wasn't just me... My wife first noticed it...
post #2567 of 6660
Redskins on ABC in HD5.1 via CH 4228, AWESOME!

Thanks to those who helped me.
post #2568 of 6660
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Originally Posted by lastplace View Post

Redskins on ABC in HD5.1 via CH 4228, AWESOME!

Thanks to those who helped me.

Yes I want to agree with the above post. WVEC-DT did a flawless jog on the 4:30 pm Redskins game, although the audio was still the DD 5.1 Lite as I call it with only front left/right mains.

However, I want to commend ABC/WVEC-DT for the 8pm game from the audio side. This game is being broadcast in a true 5.1 audio mix, with all dialog coming from the center channel, and effects coming from various other channels including the rears, sides, and sub. The flying graphics sound effects come flying in from the sides and rears

A fantastic presentation from both games.
Thanks again for the hard work. It shows.
post #2569 of 6660
Superb picture quality with both games.
Audio still needs work. Stereo the first game. 5.1 the second

-Mike
post #2570 of 6660
saw this thread on AVS, where is the CMTHD located?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=626357
post #2571 of 6660
What's up with all of this SD content?????? The SD PQ looks good, though...
post #2572 of 6660
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

What's up with all of this SD content?????? The SD PQ looks good, though...

Yeh but it's supposed to be HD. Is this a national problem? I see nothing about it on the HD Programming forum yet. I thought FOX controlled the local's HD so that this sort of thing couldn't happen on a local level.
post #2573 of 6660
I heard from somone else that the pregame was 16x9 somewere else, so I guess this is a local isse....
post #2574 of 6660
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

What's up with all of this SD content?????? The SD PQ looks good, though...

Yeah, it looks good for SD, BUT it's NOT HD... So how long before the tech responsible wakens from his nap? If the networks and local stations only put avid football fans at the controls, do you suppose this would be a problem?
post #2575 of 6660
The Carolina/Giants football game is HD on the New York D* feed.
post #2576 of 6660
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Originally Posted by TJNoffy View Post

Yeah, it looks good for SD, BUT it's NOT HD... So how long before the tech responsible wakens from his nap? If the networks and local stations only put avid football fans at the controls, do you suppose this would be a problem?


OK, the tech woke up! Good HD picture now!
post #2577 of 6660
Well, looks like the tech finally woke up!


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Originally Posted by TJNoffy View Post

Yeah, it looks good for SD, BUT it's NOT HD... So how long before the tech responsible wakens from his nap? If the networks and local stations only put avid football fans at the controls, do you suppose this would be a problem?
post #2578 of 6660
Thanks to whoever fixed it!
post #2579 of 6660
Something just flipped
post #2580 of 6660
I'm not the Net Nanny. I do enjoy having the stations participate in these discussions. Past experience indicates that it is counter-productive to attack them and they stop helping us. And rightly so in my opinion. It also adversely affects the character of this thread. Those of you who are new to this thread may notice that the old timers do not personally attack the station personnel ... they simple state the problem and sometimes vent their anger in a general way, but not at the people themselves. Just because something isn't working doesn't mean that they are not trying to fix it.

End of unrequested advice,
Drew
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