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post #6151 of 6660
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Originally Posted by soundguy315 View Post

WVEC & WVEC-DT will stay as is.

That contradicts this recent filing... http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws....&fac_num=74167
post #6152 of 6660
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Originally Posted by brownover View Post

Great news for the Ahoskie area which was going to lose you according the the fcc maps. You are right, you will probably gain some viewers.


A change in plans - the FCC is NOT allowing us to switch to the "post transition" channel (33) until the new cutoff date in June so, unless we obtain an STA in the interim, WTVZ's Analog service on Channel 33 will terminate at 11:59 P.M. on Tuesday Feb 17 and the Digital service (33-1 and 33-2) will remain on Channel 38 until the June cutoff date, then switch to Ch 33.

I am sorry that we will be losing service to some of our viewers in North Carolina from Feb 17 until June, but when we DO switch back to Ch 33 as a Digital transmission, most if not all of those who could receive our Analog signal should be able to receive the Digital.
post #6153 of 6660
Have you guys filed for that STA? The FCC approved some that were filed last Wednesday as of yesterday, so approval could come quickly if filed.

- Trip
post #6154 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Todd View Post

Most of the 3D wasn't really that good anyway. I hate using the colored 3D glasses too. I like the gray ones better.

You got that right. It was freaking awful. I couldnt stand it for more than a couple minutes of chuck. The SB halftime wasnt that good either, I found the SOBE commercial the best with everyone dressed in white.
post #6155 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Have you guys filed for that STA? The FCC approved some that were filed last Wednesday as of yesterday, so approval could come quickly if filed.

- Trip

RE: WTVZ Analog

Corporate is handling the filings. As of this morning 2-12-09 the word is official - we WILL TURN OFF THE ANALOG PROGRAM AT 11:59 NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT 2-17-09.

The Ch33 Analog transmitter will stay on the air for 2 weeks thereafter, and it will continuously transmit visual and aural messages in Spanish and English advising viewers that Analog operations have ceased, and advising them of the sources for DTV information.
post #6156 of 6660
Hopefully, someone on this list will have some explanation about a disturbing condition I'm recently experiencing on WTKR programming. Watching the two most recent episodes of "The Mentalist" and "Without a Trace", the background ambient noise in the scene was almost as loud as the dialogue making it very difficult to understand what was being said by the actors. I haven't noticed this before this week. I'm using a Dish 722, feeding HDMI to a Mits LCD, taking stereo out of the TV and feeding it to my Denon audio receiver.
post #6157 of 6660
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Originally Posted by barrysb View Post

Hopefully, someone on this list will have some explanation about a disturbing condition I'm recently experiencing on WTKR programming. Watching the two most recent episodes of "The Mentalist" and "Without a Trace", the background ambient noise in the scene was almost as loud as the dialogue making it very difficult to understand what was being said by the actors. I haven't noticed this before this week. I'm using a Dish 722, feeding HDMI to a Mits LCD, taking stereo out of the TV and feeding it to my Denon audio receiver.

Your post is interesting becase I'm thinking I'm getting the same issue with WVEC especially with All My Children and General Hospital during the day...
post #6158 of 6660
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

Your post is interesting becase I'm thinking I'm getting the same issue with WVEC especially with All My Children and General Hospital during the day...

Those are fed 2 channel stereo from the network, as those shows are SD only. Should not relate at all to a 5.1 mixdown issue mentioned in the previous post.
post #6159 of 6660
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Originally Posted by soundguy315 View Post

Those are fed 2 channel stereo from the network, as those shows are SD only. Should not relate at all to a 5.1 mixdown issue mentioned in the previous post.

I take it this is a network issue rather than something under control of the local broadcaster. To whom do I issue a complaint?
post #6160 of 6660
ION 49 says its HD 49.1 will be on by feb 16
post #6161 of 6660
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Originally Posted by joblo View Post

http://www.wboc.com/global/story.asp?s=9834152

Presumably WHRO will not be able to increase power on DT 16.

Will they terminate analog anyway?

Yes... analog is being turned off...
post #6162 of 6660
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

Yes... analog is being turned off...

Yeah, I just did FCC query and noticed power difference was minor, so.... never mind....

I'd seen chatter about this in other threads and assumed incorrectly.... oh well...
post #6163 of 6660
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Originally Posted by joblo View Post

Yeah, I just did FCC query and noticed power difference was minor, so.... never mind....

I'd seen chatter about this in other threads and assumed incorrectly.... oh well...

WHRO is only doing 237kW of the 950kW that they are licensed to do...
post #6164 of 6660
Ok, now I'm confused:

If they have a license for 950kW, why are they only doing 237kW?
Does this have anything to do with protecting WBOC or not?
And what are there plans for increasing power?
And will those be affected by WBOC continuing analog or not?
post #6165 of 6660
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Originally Posted by joblo View Post

Ok, now I'm confused:

If they have a license for 950kW, why are they only doing 237kW?
Does this have anything to do with protecting WBOC or not?
And what are there plans for increasing power?
And will those be affected by WBOC continuing analog or not?

WBOC complained to the FCC when WHRO-DT went on the air so WHRO cut their power down.

- Trip
post #6166 of 6660
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Originally Posted by barrysb View Post

I take it this is a network issue rather than something under control of the local broadcaster. To whom do I issue a complaint?

First you need to confirm your setup. I watched the same CBS shows on my DVR and did not have an issue, but I stay in 2 channel stereo.

I also sampled the ABC soaps mentioned by VARTV and had no issue.

So, I would confirm the audio receiver setup as the first step.
post #6167 of 6660
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Originally Posted by soundguy315 View Post

First you need to confirm your setup. I watched the same CBS shows on my DVR and did not have an issue, but I stay in 2 channel stereo.

I also sampled the ABC soaps mentioned by VARTV and had no issue.

So, I would confirm the audio receiver setup as the first step.

There's nothing to setup except L/R balance in the receiver, which is just getting the two channel output from my Mits LCD. The TV is down-mixing HDMI 5.1 to 2.0, but AFAIK, there are no user controls to adjust channel balance.


Besides, last night I watched "Numb3rs" and the dialogue to ambient sound ratio was perfect. So, the problem is definitely somewhere up the chain.
post #6168 of 6660
What's wrong with WVBT tonight? It's been a scrambled mess since 10:45 tonight, both on OTA and via DirecTV...
post #6169 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Todd View Post

What's wrong with WVBT tonight? It's been a scrambled mess since 10:45 tonight, both on OTA and via DirecTV...

It was the same on Fios, both SD and HD, plus my OTA
post #6170 of 6660
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Originally Posted by barrysb View Post

There's nothing to setup except L/R balance in the receiver, which is just getting the two channel output from my Mits LCD. The TV is down-mixing HDMI 5.1 to 2.0, but AFAIK, there are no user controls to adjust channel balance.


Besides, last night I watched "Numb3rs" and the dialogue to ambient sound ratio was perfect. So, the problem is definitely somewhere up the chain.

Since the show played correctly on my DVR I am thinking the station setup was okay in this case.
Look deeper at the setup menu for the downmix on the TV. Or it is possible the decoders in the TV got confused and need reboot, much like a computer.
post #6171 of 6660
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Originally Posted by soundguy315 View Post

Since the show played correctly on my DVR I am thinking the station setup was okay in this case.
Look deeper at the setup menu for the downmix on the TV. Or it is possible the decoders in the TV got confused and need reboot, much like a computer.

First, thanks for tying to help out. There's no user settings for audio on my Mits, except for switching Level Audio on or off and internal loudspeakers on or off. I think the former relates to reducing blasting audio on commercials, which I set on but doesn't appear to be of much help. Maybe, this was a condition that was eliminated by rebooting the set, since I've not had the problem since last Tuesday.

I'll be watching this week's shows to see if the problem continues. I'll post one way or the other.

Edit - Had no problem with this week's "Mentalist" or "Without a Trace"
post #6172 of 6660
Are any of you guys here using any product (TV, DVR etc) that utilizes TVGOS data (also called GEMSTAR I think) for TV program guides? My digital DVR has worked flawlessly for three years for OTA recording but now my guide data seems to be getting corrupted somehow. If I reboot (unplug) my DVR the guide data will load properly but then after two or three days it gets gaffed up and ultimately disappears showing "no listing" in all the cells. I think the guide data was originally being received via WHRO (not sure if analog or digital since the guide data is received offlline when the DVR is powered off). There are reports that CBS affiliates have started transmitting TVGOS digitally. I'm starting to wonder if I am getting conflicting data from different sources. I'm not sure there are many products out there using TVGOS data. My problems started a couple months ago so I was wondering if something has changed in the broadcast world in this area?
post #6173 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Digitude View Post

Are any of you guys here using any product (TV, DVR etc) that utilizes TVGOS data (also called GEMSTAR I think) for TV program guides? My digital DVR has worked flawlessly for three years for OTA recording but now my guide data seems to be getting corrupted somehow. If I reboot (unplug) my DVR the guide data will load properly but then after two or three days it gets gaffed up and ultimately disappears showing "no listing" in all the cells. I think the guide data was originally being received via WHRO (not sure if analog or digital since the guide data is received offlline when the DVR is powered off). There are reports that CBS affiliates have started transmitting TVGOS digitally. I'm starting to wonder if I am getting conflicting data from different sources. I'm not sure there are many products out there using TVGOS data. My problems started a couple months ago so I was wondering if something has changed in the broadcast world in this area?

TV Guide/Gemstar and WGNT had an agreement in place for many years that had their data on line 16 of our analog video. We were the "backup" path for devices that used this guide info. Either WHRO Channel 15 or WTVZ Channel 33 (not sure which) was the "primary" path. TV Guide/Gemstar called a few weeks ago and had us send their encoder back, ending that service on WGNT. As of today, WHRO Channel 15 and WTVZ Channel 33 are off the air. You may be S.O.L. on the TV Guide data, at least in that old transmission format.

George Randell
Chief Engineer
WGNT/WGNT-DT CW-27
post #6174 of 6660
CBS stations do air it, but not all CBS stations. There are some places where the CBS station turned it down and there are alternative arrangements being made.

I have one source that says there's no affiliate in Norfolk, and another saying it's WTKR. I need new data to confirm one way or another...

- Trip
post #6175 of 6660
Got new data. TVGOS can be found on WTKR-DT.

- Trip
post #6176 of 6660
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Originally Posted by George Randell View Post

As of today, WHRO Channel 15 and WTVZ Channel 33 are off the air. You may be S.O.L. on the TV Guide data, at least in that old transmission format.

George Randell
Chief Engineer
WGNT/WGNT-DT CW-27

I guess that is why I also lost my time hack. My DVR used to automatically reset the time of day after a power flop or reboot. I had to set it manually today for the first time ever.
post #6177 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Got new data. TVGOS can be found on WTKR-DT.

- Trip

I'm not really sure how this signal works. I presume it was formerly an analog signal from WHRO. I wonder how my DVR differentiates the signal from an analog transmission to digital or if it is automatic. I can do a rescan but I only input my zip code (which hasn't changed). Anyone know how a consumer product finds and registers this signal?

I am also curious why this service is not via subscription or some other fee. It would seem to be obviously a labor intensive database that has to be maintained, especially considering how often networks change their programming. Who pays for this service?
post #6178 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Digitude View Post

I'm not really sure how this signal works. I presume it was formerly an analog signal from WHRO. I wonder how my DVR differentiates the signal from an analog transmission to digital or if it is automatic. I can do a rescan but I only input my zip code (which hasn't changed). Anyone know how a consumer product finds and registers this signal?

I am also curious why this service is not via subscription or some other fee. It would seem to be obviously a labor intensive database that has to be maintained, especially considering how often networks change their programming. Who pays for this service?

It's ad-supported.

I don't actually have any TVGOS equipment, so I don't know. I do know that it works the same way that analog TVGOS did, so as long as you can convince it to look at 3-1, it should pick it up. Well, I shouldn't say that, I heard some hardware didn't like the type of data they're sending out or something...

- Trip
post #6179 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

It's ad-supported.

I don't actually have any TVGOS equipment, so I don't know. I do know that it works the same way that analog TVGOS did, so as long as you can convince it to look at 3-1, it should pick it up. Well, I shouldn't say that, I heard some hardware didn't like the type of data they're sending out or something...

- Trip

I've learned from the LG DVR forum that it won't accept any other than analog TVGOS. My box was first marketed in the '04-'05 timeframe. I guess digital TVGOS didn't exist back then or wasn't used widely enough for LG to build it into their HD recorder. I'm basically SOL now. I've never had to schedule manual recordings with this thing. Not even sure how to do it. One giant leap backwards.
post #6180 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Digitude View Post

I've learned from the LG DVR forum that it won't accept any other than analog TVGOS. My box was first marketed in the '04-'05 timeframe. I guess digital TVGOS didn't exist back then or wasn't used widely enough for LG to build it into their HD recorder. I'm basically SOL now. I've never had to schedule manual recordings with this thing. Not even sure how to do it. One giant leap backwards.

I've heard of people using DTVPal CECBs to feed TVGOS to analog-only devices. Again, I have no TVGOS devices so I don't know, but might that be something to look into?

- Trip
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