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post #6211 of 6616
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Originally Posted by Bill Barber View Post

If you are receiving the WTVZ digital signal at all now - even intermittently, this change might make a sustantial difference since the Ch38 signal is marginal in your general direction. Additionally, the Ch33 antenna is a little more elevated than the Ch38 antenna, and the power will increase a bit. Please do let me know if this change improves your reception. My email: bbarber@sbgnet.com.

I will give you your strength readings compared to other stations.
post #6212 of 6616
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Originally Posted by JSladek View Post

Just for the fun of it, I connected half of a rabbit ears to the joiner in the attic ... on the RCA, all levels were down with the same stations out or very marginal. I'm beginning to think that the "signal strength" is really some form of a bit count because when the pix would freeze, the count went down. In any event, switching back to the DTV converter, all stations were received as before except for WTVZ. No paper clip, but I think that demonstrated that it's not too high of a signal level. I'm still leaning toward the RCA front-end. The early generations weren't very robust and error correction was iffy at best.


It sounds as though most of the signals' vertical patterns are delivering poor levels at your location. In our case (WTVZ) this has been a very frustrating problem for many Suffolk residents - those within 4 miles (air miles) or so of the Driver transmitter seem to have a great deal of trouble with our signal. It's not so much the power level as the antenna pattern and elevation.

I hope that you will have a bit more luck receiving our signal beginning next Tuesday 4-28 when we switch back to the essentially non directional antenna as we move our digital signal to Ch33.

For many years television reception from locations near the transmitter towers has been problematic, but in the Analog world, you just tweaked the antenna for the most tolerable ghosting. In the 8 Vestigal Sideband Digital (8VSB) world, if a signal can't present an adequately coherent data stream to the decoder (Following the front end of the receiver), you receive nothing.

All of the comments which I've read above concerning earlier vs. later IRDs (Integrated Receiver-Decoders, which is what all of these Converter boxes and HD receivers are) are validated in my experience. For instance, we have been using several older (First generation) HD receivers (stand alone boxes similar to the converters) here at the office and also at the transitter site - they were about $300 each 7 years ago, but when compared to even the poorest performing $50 or $45 converter boxes, they will freeze or not even detect a signal which the newer, cheaper, boxes will present perfectly, or with only occasional problems.
post #6213 of 6616
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Originally Posted by Bill Barber View Post

I hope that you will have a bit more luck receiving our signal beginning next Tuesday 4-28 when we switch back to the essentially non directional antenna as we move our digital signal to Ch33.

I look forward to seeing WTVZ digital for the first time in a few years - my calendar is marked.

Thanks for your observations regarding power levels and converters. It certainly agrees what I have seen in this location. According to the old antenna patterns, I am right in the null of your present antenna. I can only get better after the 28th.

Jim
post #6214 of 6616
Just connected my antenna to my new HDTV's input, PQ OTA is somewhat better than cable. I am impressed by the stability of the signal with this tuner, my old tuner (second generation) didn't do a good job. It is nice to have the OTA option again.
post #6215 of 6616
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Originally Posted by JSladek View Post

I look forward to seeing WTVZ digital for the first time in a few years - my calendar is marked.

WOW!!!!!! I rescanned my RCA F38310 this morning and WTVZ went from essentially undetectable in the past few years to the strongest station I am receiving - a rock solid 94 on the "strength meter". What a difference an omni antena can make. Thanks Bill.

Jim
post #6216 of 6616
Bill, your signal is a solid 94 compared to a 60-65 intermittent signal on a good day when you were broadcasting on 38. This is stronger than 27 & 43 and slightly weaker than 3,10 and 13. It's great to have you back. I live south of Ahoskie in Bertie County. Actually in another DMA
post #6217 of 6616
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Originally Posted by Bill Barber View Post

It sounds as though most of the signals' vertical patterns are delivering poor levels at your location. In our case (WTVZ) this has been a very frustrating problem for many Suffolk residents - those within 4 miles (air miles) or so of the Driver transmitter seem to have a great deal of trouble with our signal. It's not so much the power level as the antenna pattern and elevation.

I hope that you will have a bit more luck receiving our signal beginning next Tuesday 4-28 when we switch back to the essentially non directional antenna as we move our digital signal to Ch33.

For many years television reception from locations near the transmitter towers has been problematic, but in the Analog world, you just tweaked the antenna for the most tolerable ghosting. In the 8 Vestigal Sideband Digital (8VSB) world, if a signal can't present an adequately coherent data stream to the decoder (Following the front end of the receiver), you receive nothing.

I can not pick up your signal OTA thru my DirecTV STB. Says it's searching for signal...
post #6218 of 6616
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

I can not pick up your signal OTA thru my DirecTV STB. Says it's searching for signal...

Everything is fine in Williamsburg using tuners in a Mits HDTV and Dish 722. Signal strength is higher than what I was seeing on ch.39.
post #6219 of 6616
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

I can not pick up your signal OTA thru my DirecTV STB. Says it's searching for signal...

It may be relying on the D* guide data, which is still looking for the signal on channel 38...

- Trip
post #6220 of 6616
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

It may be relying on the D* guide data, which is still looking for the signal on channel 38...

- Trip

You hit the nail on the head... DirecTV STBs don't "scan" for OTA channels...
post #6221 of 6616
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

You hit the nail on the head... DirecTV STBs don't "scan" for OTA channels...

I like ending sentences with multiple dots...



- Trip
post #6222 of 6616
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

I like ending sentences with multiple dots...



- Trip

I always do that. Why?
post #6223 of 6616
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

I always do that. Why?

It trails off. Leaves the door open for further comments. I just had noticed we'd both done it and was amused by it.

I'm procrastinating on exam prep.

- Trip
post #6224 of 6616
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

It trails off. Leaves the door open for further comments. I just had noticed we'd both done it and was amused by it.

I'm procrastinating on exam prep.

- Trip

Since the weather was about right. I scanned analog this morning as well.

This was a pretty strong signal on the newly vacated 38.
LL
post #6225 of 6616
Bill, I can't get a signal here in North, VA (Mathews County). No signal strength. All the other channels are fine and I did a rescan and it picked up all but 33. Bummer.
post #6226 of 6616
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

Bill, I can't get a signal here in North, VA (Mathews County). No signal strength. All the other channels are fine and I did a rescan and it picked up all but 33. Bummer.

Did you rescan your TV or STB?
post #6227 of 6616
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Originally Posted by CHeath View Post

Since the weather was about right. I scanned analog this morning as well.

This was a pretty strong signal on the newly vacated 38.

Good catch... I just pointed my antenna towards Richmond...
post #6228 of 6616
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

Did you rescan your TV or STB?

I'm still using my F38310 which has the built-in receiver. I usually can also just punch in the channel with the remote and get it. All the other channels had signal strengths >89.
post #6229 of 6616
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Originally Posted by brownover View Post

Bill, your signal is a solid 94 compared to a 60-65 intermittent signal on a good day when you were broadcasting on 38. This is stronger than 27 & 43 and slightly weaker than 3,10 and 13. It's great to have you back. I live south of Ahoskie in Bertie County. Actually in another DMA

Correction..... the last 3 times I have tuned to 33 it pegged the strength meter. Equal to 3,10,13. I checked it originally at 8:00 am.
post #6230 of 6616
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

I'm still using my F38310 which has the built-in receiver. I usually can also just punch in the channel with the remote and get it. All the other channels had signal strengths >89.

Harold, If your IRD scanned 33-1 and 33-2 as 38, it will continue to go to 38 when you punch in 33. wb
post #6231 of 6616
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Originally Posted by Bill Barber View Post

Harold, If your IRD scanned 33-1 and 33-2 as 38, it will continue to go to 38 when you punch in 33. wb

I also tried a rescan twice...nothing either time. The rescan picked up all the other stations though.
post #6232 of 6616
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

I also tried a rescan twice...nothing either time. The rescan picked up all the other stations though.


Harold, would you please email me your exact address (or coordinates if you know them) My email: bbarber@sbgnet.com Thanks. wb
post #6233 of 6616
Have not had a chance to check in the evening but have notice when my wife is watching Oprah in the afternoon that there is enough of a lip sync error to make things seem not quite right. Has anyone else noticed this on WVEC (or any other station)?
post #6234 of 6616
So for the second time in a couple of weeks, half of "The Big Bang Theory" was preempted by weather coverage on WTKR. I wonder if they'll replay it later??
post #6235 of 6616
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Originally Posted by Todd View Post

So for the second time in a couple of weeks, half of "The Big Bang Theory" was preempted by weather coverage on WTKR. I wonder if they'll replay it later??

I wish they would, even if its at 3am. Everytime it rains around here the networks go off the deep end. Online may be your only way to watch it though.
post #6236 of 6616
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Originally Posted by vurbano View Post

I wish they would, even if its at 3am. Everytime it rains around here the networks go off the deep end. Online may be your only way to watch it though.

Probably, but I don't think BBT is shown online anywhere. I guess there's a ********** out there for it somewhere...
post #6237 of 6616
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Originally Posted by Todd View Post

So for the second time in a couple of weeks, half of "The Big Bang Theory" was preempted by weather coverage on WTKR. I wonder if they'll replay it later??

Hopefully better for 2.5 Men... WVEC broke only into commercials during DWTS...
post #6238 of 6616
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Originally Posted by vurbano View Post

I wish they would, even if its at 3am. Everytime it rains around here the networks go off the deep end. Online may be your only way to watch it though.

Maybe after June the weather folks can go to a sub-channel? Isn't that what the subs are for - other content?
post #6239 of 6616
WVBT also cutoff the first 15 minutes of House. Unfortunately Fox/Hulu does not make the streaming available online for 8 days after it has aired (I think this is the only Fox show like that).

Also, could anybody make heads or tails of the WTKR weather graphics? Their tornado graphic and all the other stuff was so ugly and hard to even follow.
post #6240 of 6616
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Originally Posted by JSladek View Post

Maybe after June the weather folks can go to a sub-channel? Isn't that what the subs are for - other content?

Not likely. Most viewers can't get the sub-channels and that would violate their obligation for operating in the public interest.

Personally I've never had a problem with the weather coverage. I think it's way more important to inform the public of potential threats than a fictional tv program.
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