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post #6241 of 6660
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

Not likely. Most viewers can't get the sub-channels and that would violate their obligation for operating in the public interest.

What problems are viewers having in receiving sub-channels? My OTA subs are coming in just fine.
post #6242 of 6660
I was really ticked that I couldn't watch House last night. After missing the first 15 minutes, I decided to just give up. I don't see why that much weather coverage was needed. The guy just kept repeating himself that, yes, there is heavy rain in Virginia Beach and lightning strikes. He didn't say anything that couldn't have been said in a crawl at the bottom of the screen, or updated during commercial breaks. You would think we had a Cat-5 hurricane bearing down on us.
post #6243 of 6660
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Originally Posted by barrysb View Post

What problems are viewers having in receiving sub-channels? My OTA subs are coming in just fine.

My OTA subs come in fine too but how many of us get our locals OTA? Not very many. Viewers on cable, FiOS and satellite do not get the subs.
post #6244 of 6660
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

My OTA subs come in fine too but how many of us get our locals OTA? Not very many. Viewers on cable, FiOS and satellite do not get the subs.

But the stations, although encouraging carriage by third parties, do not totally control what is carried on these services, so how can that be a violation of their obligation for operating in the public interest?
post #6245 of 6660
Running a crawl with info is all that is required legally. So yes, after June 12 ( if that stays the date ) they could also state that viewers wishing to watch un-ending weather babble may tune to xx.2 to view. If there were driving demand for such content, the marketplace will win out and the cable/satellite providers will have to pass it along as well. They will not as long as the end user does not require them to.

Unfortunately the current trend of covering entire shows is driving viewers away to other sources.
post #6246 of 6660
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Originally Posted by soundguy315 View Post

Unfortunately the current trend of covering entire shows is driving viewers away to other sources.

Yep. At the 15-minute mark, I just turned to my roommate and said "Screw it. I'll just torrent it and watch it tomorrow." I'm sure I wasn't the only viewer to do so, either. So do to the station's unnecessary obsession with rain, they likely lost a number of viewers that would be willing to watch sponsors' commercials.

I mean, I could see if it was a natural disaster level storm, but it was just a heavy thunderstorm. Big deal.
post #6247 of 6660
And Don Slater sounds just like Elmer Fudd too.
And if I had a dollar for every time he says the word "again", I could retire.

They are all such amateurs. None of them are capable of real unscripted live TV
post #6248 of 6660
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

Not likely. Most viewers can't get the sub-channels and that would violate their obligation for operating in the public interest.

I guess that channel 13's public interest ended at 8PM when Dancing with the Starts came on and preempted the weather show. Too bad there isn't a single weather channel for the area instead of everyone broadcasting the same street-by-street stroll through the area.
post #6249 of 6660
Is there a problem with WAVY-DT? Prior to last night all my OTA channels listed as 100% signal strength. Last night and today WAVY-DT is 60-75% and has many drop outs for an extended time period. Is anybody else seeing this problem. I have four different HD receivers and they all are having the same problem. Some worse than others but they all are affected on WAVY-DT while all the other OTA HD local channels are fine.

Earl
post #6250 of 6660
Thankfully, I quickly found a torrent for Big Bang this morning.
post #6251 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Todd View Post

Thankfully, I quickly found a torrent for Big Bang this morning.

Does CBS have HD shows online? If so, when are they available after they air? It's easy to hook up my laptop via HDMI to my 61" set...
post #6252 of 6660
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

Does CBS have HD shows online? If so, when are they available after they air? It's easy to hook up my laptop via HDMI to my 61" set...

They do have shows on their website, but I don't know if they are in HD. The best route to go is probably **********. The episode I downloaded of BBT wasn't HD though, but it was widescreen and still looked decent when played on my 57" set through my XBOX.
post #6253 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Todd View Post

They do have shows on their website, but I don't know if they are in HD. The best route to go is probably **********. The episode I downloaded of BBT wasn't HD though, but it was widescreen and still looked decent when played on my 57" set through my XBOX.

Nope only clips of BBT on Cbs website. Our affiliates could at least rerun the program early in the mornings.
post #6254 of 6660
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

Not likely. Most viewers can't get the sub-channels and that would violate their obligation for operating in the public interest.

Personally I've never had a problem with the weather coverage. I think it's way more important to inform the public of potential threats than a fictional tv program.

I think it's absurd and the affiliates are full of camera time hungry wannabe actor weathermen. Just run a crawl.
post #6255 of 6660
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Originally Posted by vurbano View Post

I think it's absurd and the affiliates are full of camera time hungry wannabe actor weathermen. Just run a crawl.

Well said.
post #6256 of 6660
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

My OTA subs come in fine too but how many of us get our locals OTA? Not very many. Viewers on cable, FiOS and satellite do not get the subs.

I have satellite and get OTA with subs. Infact ANYONE that subs to cable or FIOS etc can still have an antenna if the TV has a tuner.One of the great attractions for satellite is the inclusion of OTA tuners in the sat equipment. Sorry but that dog just aint gonna hunt.

BTW do you still get national out of market feeds of the networks? Its easy to back the practices of the affiliates when you can simply change the channel and watch a national feed where the show isnt cut in half.
post #6257 of 6660
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Originally Posted by vurbano View Post

I have satellite and get OTA with subs. Infact ANYONE that subs to cable or FIOS etc can still have an antenna if the TV has a tuner.One of the great attractions for satellite is the inclusion of OTA tuners in the sat equipment. Sorry but that dog just aint gonna hunt.

BTW do you still get national out of market feeds of the networks? Its easy to back the practices of the affiliates when you can simply change the channel and watch a national feed where the show isnt cut in half.

D* pulled the plug on the National HD feed when they went with the HD Locals. I still have the SD east and west coast though.
post #6258 of 6660
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

D* pulled the plug on the National HD feed when they went with the HD Locals. I still have the SD east and west coast though.

It'll be interesting what happens in June when the SDs go away.
post #6259 of 6660
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Originally Posted by barrysb View Post

It'll be interesting what happens in June when the SDs go away.


I was thinking D* would have to downconvert the HD for all the non-HD subscribers or replace all the set-top boxes.
post #6260 of 6660
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Originally Posted by hjriver View Post

I was thinking D* would have to downconvert the HD for all the non-HD subscribers or replace all the set-top boxes.

Most of the new off air receivers which cable and other multi channel providers now use (and, for that matter, the satellite IRDs that we and they use), provide both HD and SD outputs from any HD feed.

One of the survey questions that all of us broadcast stations have been asked many times is whether we prefer that the multichannel provider present our programming as SD in "center cut" or letterbox. Most of us have requested "center cut," which means that the SD viewer sees a 4x3 SD picture.

Since virtually every program is still shot using the "safe action" and safe title" areas of SD 4x3 (take a look at any program - the important content is in the center of the screen), there is no loss to the SD viewer.

If and when the AFD (active format descriptor) code becomes widely utilized, this question will become moot since the AFD will provide data to adjust the IRD on a program by program basis.

Hope that everyone has a great weekend. wb
post #6261 of 6660
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Originally Posted by Bill Barber View Post

If and when the AFD (active format descriptor) code becomes widely utilized, this question will become moot since the AFD will provide data to adjust the IRD on a program by program basis.

Hi Bill,

I think the phrase "if and when" is a good way to say it. For what its worth,I believe AFD will go the way of the VIR (vertical reference signal), GCR (ghost canceling reference signal), Dolby Dialnorm, Stereo AM, and other ideas that were great on paper but never quite caught on or worked out as advertised.

There are way too many places in the signal chain between the producers and the home viewers for AFD to get screwed up and produce some really goofy results. Just like those other great idea I listed, this one may not fly. I know of at least one major broadcast company that wants no part of it for just that reason.

George
post #6262 of 6660
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Originally Posted by George Randell View Post

Hi Bill,

I think the phrase "if and when" is a good way to say it. For what its worth,I believe AFD will go the way of the VIR (vertical reference signal), GCR (ghost canceling reference signal), Dolby Dialnorm, Stereo AM, and other ideas that were great on paper but never quite caught on or worked out as advertised.

There are way too many places in the signal chain between the producers and the home viewers for AFD to get screwed up and produce some really goofy results. Just like those other great idea I listed, this one may not fly. I know of at least one major broadcast company that wants no part of it for just that reason.

George

Agreed - I only threw AFD in to try to elaborate on the format conversion question.

By the way, I can't believe how good Lucy looked after they wet gate scanned and digitally processed the original negatives!! It is somewhat akin to seeing "Gone with the Wind" on one of the (at that time 3) Networks after they had flying spot scanned the original Technicolor separations. I am hard pressed to imagine that it ever looked as good in the theaters when it was first released. wb
post #6263 of 6660
WVEC 13 Digital test this Saturday ( 5/30 ) beginning approximately 1:35AM. (After Friday late night programming. )
If anyone is "up" to do a rescan and report signal levels, reception, etc. and report here. This will be a test of the re-located digital signal back on VHF 13. It is currently planned to shut off analog and also have channel 41 stay up for this test.
post #6264 of 6660
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Originally Posted by soundguy315 View Post

WVEC 13 Digital test this Saturday ( 5/30 ) beginning approximately 1:35AM. (After Friday late night programming. )
If anyone is "up" to do a rescan and report signal levels, reception, etc. and report here. This will be a test of the re-located digital signal back on VHF 13. It is currently planned to shut off analog and also have channel 41 stay up for this test.

How long will the test be?
post #6265 of 6660
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

How long will the test be?

Probably an hour at the most. The antenna will need to be re-plumbed into the analog transmitter for Saturday sign on. I will see if I can get a solid answer on the duration.
post #6266 of 6660
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Originally Posted by soundguy315 View Post

WVEC 13 Digital test this Saturday ( 5/30 ) beginning approximately 1:35AM. (After Friday late night programming. )
If anyone is "up" to do a rescan and report signal levels, reception, etc. and report here. This will be a test of the re-located digital signal back on VHF 13. It is currently planned to shut off analog and also have channel 41 stay up for this test.

Are we suppose to be getting 2 Channel 13's?? I'm getting only one...
post #6267 of 6660
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Originally Posted by soundguy315 View Post

WVEC 13 Digital test this Saturday ( 5/30 ) beginning approximately 1:35AM. (After Friday late night programming. )
If anyone is "up" to do a rescan and report signal levels, reception, etc. and report here. This will be a test of the re-located digital signal back on VHF 13. It is currently planned to shut off analog and also have channel 41 stay up for this test.

WUND -- 46~69 (dropouts)
WTKR -- 79~80
WSKY -- 47~70 (dropouts)
WAVY -- 82
WVEC -- 76~78 (VHF13)
WVEC -- 80~81 (UHF41)
WHRO -- 81~82
WKTD -- 73~74
WGNT -- 76~77
WTVZ -- 80
WVBT -- 79
WNLO -- 68~69
WPXV -- 80
post #6268 of 6660
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Originally Posted by VARTV View Post

Are we suppose to be getting 2 Channel 13's?? I'm getting only one...

Bob... They started at 2:15...
post #6269 of 6660
Sorry, there was an external interlock issue we had to check out.

How is your reception?
post #6270 of 6660
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Originally Posted by soundguy315 View Post

Sorry, there was an external interlock issue we had to check out.

How is your reception?

There were no problems...

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