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post #11551 of 11755
Getting a signal on TVO 32-1, but no picture. Anybody else experiencing this???
post #11552 of 11755
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Originally Posted by robb. View Post

is there anything special i need to do to tune in CBET in royal oak? i just moved my antenna (antennas direct clearstream 2, on the roof) to facing slightly south by southeast and neither of my tuners pick it up at all. my one tuner only has the virtual channel (9.1), but my other tuner shows both the real channel and the virtual channel. i get nothing on either 9 or 35, and nothing else comes up as 9.1. tvfool doesn't have CBET at all, but the CBC's coverage map shows i should have plenty of signal. before moving my antenna it was facing south by southwest and i got great reception on all the southfield and detroit channels.

is it antenna positioning? antenna hardware? user error? no rain dance?

thanks!
robb.

I live in Royal Oak and haven't been able to pick up CBET since they modified their analog tower to set-up their digital tower. I live in a 2-story bungalow with a rotary antenna attached to the top of my chimney near 11 and Woodward and have tried everything short of a pre-amp. But I live pretty close to the Southfield broadcast towers so I'm afraid that a pre-amp will screw things up.
post #11553 of 11755
I get CBET up here between Holly and Ortonville just fine! smile.gif
post #11554 of 11755
Robb & Mhufnagel:

Both of you should be able to receive both 9 and 32 from Royal Oak with proper equipment. Robb, if your Clearstream 2 does not have the VHF add-on unit, then you're using a UHF-only antenna which is unlikely to receive channel 9. Also, from Royal Oak, Windsor would be more to the southeast, while the Southfield-area towers would be more to the southwest, so aiming could also be an issue. Adding a small VHF-high antenna, fed into a UVSJ along with your Clearstream 2 and aimed southeast could also help with channel 9. Since both of you are close to a lot of strong FM towers as well, perhaps inserting one or more FM traps up at the antenna would help. The stations are probably too strong in Royal Oak for preamp use.
post #11555 of 11755
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Originally Posted by gcd0865 View Post

Robb & Mhufnagel:

Both of you should be able to receive both 9 and 32 from Royal Oak with proper equipment. Robb, if your Clearstream 2 does not have the VHF add-on unit, then you're using a UHF-only antenna which is unlikely to receive channel 9. Also, from Royal Oak, Windsor would be more to the southeast, while the Southfield-area towers would be more to the southwest, so aiming could also be an issue. Adding a small VHF-high antenna, fed into a UVSJ along with your Clearstream 2 and aimed southeast could also help with channel 9. Since both of you are close to a lot of strong FM towers as well, perhaps inserting one or more FM traps up at the antenna would help. The stations are probably too strong in Royal Oak for preamp use.

What kind of filter would work and what do I need to do to install them with my antenna?

Like I said, I have a rotary antenna mounted pretty high up and was able to get everything back in the analog era, even some of the Flint and Toledo stations (rather faintly though), so I don't need a VHF add-on. I think the combination of CBET moving their broadcast tower south and the lower power used for digital broadcasts has really made it impossible for me to pick it up. It's kind of sad because my wife is from Canada and we always watched HNIC and the Olympics on channel 9. We even enjoyed watching the "small town" style of commercials out of Windsor.
post #11556 of 11755
Some forum posters are using inexpensive FM traps such as these:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=10939219
http://www.antennasdirect.com/store/FM_band_rejection_filter.html

You'd insert this up at the antenna using an appropriate barrel connector like this:
http://www.summitsource.com/male-male-coupler-adapter-connector-nickel-plate-rg59-coaxial-jointer-splice-coupling-barrel-pack-cable-joining-connector-signal-audio-video-component-plug-part-p-4868.html

I'm around 8-10 miles north of you, and was considering a better-quality trap to get rid of FM and LTE phone signals in an effort to get longer-distance tv stations:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=1566497

Otherwise, perhaps you just don't have a good enough VHF-high antenna, or maybe your antenna is not aimed well toward Windsor. What kind of antenna are you using? If it's not designed for VHF-high, you could always add a small VHF-high antenna combined with your existing antenna using a UVSJ:
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=Y5-7-13
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11000531
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003H2G5JI
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=uvsj
post #11557 of 11755
I am 45 miles west of CBET, just north of Ann Arbor, and I discovered an interesting cause and cure to my intermittent Channel 9 reception problem.

It was frustrating; sometimes excellent signal strength on Channel 9, but sometimes it would drop to no signal at all. Recently, when it happened again in the middle of watching the Red Wings game on Ch-9 I realized that I was losing the signal when the lights in the upstairs bathroom were turned on. That bathroom is directly under my rooftop, Digitenna DUV-XF antenna. Turn the lights off, Ch-9 reception returned.

Here's why... I had replaced all four of the incandescent ceiling mounted can lights in that bathroom with new Sylvania RT6 LED lighting inserts. The LED lighting looked great, gave off very little heat, used very little electricity, produced a nice light, but apparently gave off terrible electromagnetic interference near 190 MHz. I replaced them with good old fashioned incandescent bulbs and that solved the problem.

Two additional points of interest:
1) Signal strength of channel 2 (177 MHz) was only slightly affected by the LEDs, but not enough to completely lose reception.
2) Back of Sylvania RT6 has a sticker that claims FCC Rule 15 compliance: This devise may cause and must accept any interferrance. (Paraphrase)
post #11558 of 11755
Any Brighthouse subs with issues? I'm getting color bars on all of the analog channels and "this channel should be available shortly" on all the digital ones (via 2 different cable boxes)

Calls to Brighthouse are met with "this number cannot be completed as dialed" or a fast-busy signal.

Thank God I also have DirecTV. Can still see the game and the race. But I don't want to hear cable companies talk about "rain fade" any more.

UPDATE: Of course, as soon as I post here about it following hours of frustration, it's fixed. Ah, the power of AVS
post #11559 of 11755
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Originally Posted by DrDon View Post

Any Brighthouse subs with issues? I'm getting color bars on all of the analog channels and "this channel should be available shortly" on all the digital ones (via 2 different cable boxes)

Calls to Brighthouse are met with "this number cannot be completed as dialed" or a fast-busy signal.

Thank God I also have DirecTV. Can still see the game and the race. But I don't want to hear cable companies talk about "rain fade" any more.

UPDATE: Of course, as soon as I post here about it following hours of frustration, it's fixed. Ah, the power of AVS

We were down here in Livonia too. Everything died around 12:30. TV came back up around 2:30, Internet service about 5 minutes ago.

EDIT: I spoke too soon. A lot of the SDV channels are still missing in action.
Edited by yimitz - 6/9/13 at 12:40pm
post #11560 of 11755
Noticed that TVO 32 is FINALLY in HD! North Dallas Forty is on tap in HD on tonights "Saturday Night At The Movies"!
post #11561 of 11755
Where is your location?
post #11562 of 11755
Windsor
post #11563 of 11755
Wonder how far that HD signal gets into Michigan...
post #11564 of 11755
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

Wonder how far that HD signal gets into Michigan...

It does make it to Westland, but I have to point my antenna towards Windsor to receive it. Since I can receive all of the other Detroit-area signals with a single orientation to the northeast, I generally dispense with TVO reception.
post #11565 of 11755
What kind of antenna?
Powered rooftop unit?
post #11566 of 11755
I get TVO Windsor up here in Groveland Twp, but I have a nice set up about 50+ft above ground level....nice to see them finally in HD. They must have finally installed that satellite transfer system!
post #11567 of 11755
Getting HDTV OTA for over 6 years in South Farmington Hills very near to all major transmitters except 9.1 whose signal is visually flawless. In the early years all DTV stations I watched were good.

Until recently 7.1 was rock solid except during severe weather. Starting about 3 weeks ago or so it has frequent, severe pixelization and breakups. Sundays' IndyCar program was unwatchable.

About the same time 62.1 also started to have some problems, but much less than 7.1.

Summer reception problems have occurred in the past 3(?) years for 56.1 but are no worse than usual this year.

For years 4.x have problems at various times which do not seem to be seasonal.

I long for the old sometimes snowy, limited ghosting days when you got a constant audio signal and could see enough to follow the program. If I were more paranoid I would speculate on stations' cost saving or a conspiracy to drive everyone from OTA and into the hands od the cable companies. Others experiences? Relevant knowledge?
post #11568 of 11755
We're back in that time of year where there's all kinds of ducting and bending going on. Haven't had any complaints on my own signal, which is usually my first clue. But all those systems passing to the south of us had to introduce SOME interference. I'm seeing breakups on WDIV, but I have my array pointed at CBC-9. What is interesting is that I'm grabbing all the Toledo channels off the side of the array one day, then nothing the next. I DO need to point it back toward Southfield and check, I guess.

But I can't imagine anyone's throttling back power to save money. Last time I checked, you have to have the FCC's permission to do that, anyway.
post #11569 of 11755
And don't forget about the simple issue of windy days causing trees and their leaves to blow. My brother in law has a small antenna in his apartment and various stations are bad on windy days and fine on still days. It may seem like a weird idea, but it is a known fact in the summer.
post #11570 of 11755
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Originally Posted by Gary S View Post

And don't forget about the simple issue of windy days causing trees and their leaves to blow. My brother in law has a small antenna in his apartment and various stations are bad on windy days and fine on still days. It may seem like a weird idea, but it is a known fact in the summer.

Absolutely. In my case there are many trees with lots of leaves in every direction. If this were the only problem I would expect 9.1 to be unwatchable when windy but it does better than the rest. When I mentioned severe weather that includes moderate winds. For unknown reasons 4.1 & 4.2 seem more sensitive to minor wind than other stations. Or maybe it is a coincidence.
post #11571 of 11755
Keep in mind that 2 and 9 are VHF stations (physically 7 and 9, respectively), and to my experience, VHF stations are more robust than UHF stations, which all the rest are, so that might be part of the issue.
post #11572 of 11755
I live in a heavily wooded area and had all kinds of problems with ch4 cutting in and out in the summer on breezy days.....then I got my antenna up higher and that took care of all the problems. VHF channels blow through foliage, while UHF channels struggle much more!!!
post #11573 of 11755
Anyone know what's going on with Ch. 32 TVO Windsor?

They finally upgraded to HDTV a couple of weeks age, but since then they had a serious audio lag for awhile, then no audio at all for a day or two.

Now their signal is so weak I can't even get them here in Northville.

Anyone in the know?
post #11574 of 11755
Strong signal just a bit north of you. Hard to tell about the audio sync since it's animated, but it appears pretty close of not dead on.
post #11575 of 11755
I had audio glitches too, and a re-scan did the trick. I noticed yesterday that TVO 32-1 now has a working program guide as well as full 1080i HD.....SWEET!!!
post #11576 of 11755
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Originally Posted by otafreak View Post

I had audio glitches too, and a re-scan did the trick. I noticed yesterday that TVO 32-1 now has a working program guide as well as full 1080i HD.....SWEET!!!

Yes! Everything's fine tonight. Great signal strength.

Glad to see the program guide, too.
post #11577 of 11755
Will this 2.2 be added to local cable systems anytime soon?
post #11578 of 11755
I don't know. But I wish they would add all of the sub channels.
post #11579 of 11755
My guess is that it'll happen next retrans agreement.
post #11580 of 11755
Which is when?
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