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post #6151 of 11755
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Originally Posted by Proc View Post

I've been trying to get a straight answer about FSN HD Detroit on U-Verse as well. I've been very tempted to switch to U-Verse now that they have IP phone (Triple Play package of IP Phone/TV/Net) now. The price is very affordable, but no way could I jump ship w/out FSN in HD.

Today's update:

No FSH HD, but the 2 HD streams are on, and whole house DVR is to be available relatively soon.
post #6152 of 11755
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Originally Posted by DrDon View Post

With NBC buying The Weather Channel, we may be doing without Weather Plus rather permanently. Just a hunch. Remember, though, WDIV is still committed to the .2 Network.

I've asked about subchannel Olympics. Nothing planned, but can't be ruled out. Guess that's their way of saying, "Dunno."

What about Universal Sports (formerly WCSN) on 20.2? Their press release said that they would be showing Olympic sports all year round, but no mention at all about the Olympics itself. Yea, it's not HD, but since I don't have pay tv I would like another channel that would show some lesser loved sports.
post #6153 of 11755
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Originally Posted by mhufnagel View Post

What about Universal Sports (formerly WCSN) on 20.2? Their press release said that they would be showing Olympic sports all year round, but no mention at all about the Olympics itself. Yea, it's not HD, but since I don't have pay tv I would like another channel that would show some lesser loved sports.

By "Olympic Sports" I'm sure they mean "Sports you see at the Olympics." Even though NBC has part ownership, now, it appears they won't be airing any real-time Olympic content this year.

If you can get CBC-9, then you do have another option as CBC has the Canadian rights to the Olympics. Not exactly HD and nowhere near being digital. But it's another screen.
post #6154 of 11755
Currently seen in the Detroit area on WMYD-DT 20-2.

Quote:


NBC Sports & World Championship Sports Network Partner to Launch Universal Sports

Universal Sports Creates Multiplatform, Year-Round Destination for Athletes and Olympic Sports Fans

Live US Olympic Trials Programming is First Step in New Partnership


NEW YORK and LOS ANGELES – June 16, 2008 – NBC Sports, a division of NBC Universal, and World Championship Sports Network have joined forces to create Universal Sports. Universal Sports will combine NBCU’s programming and production expertise and promotional power with WCSN’s leading online destination for Olympic sports plus its growing television network to create the preeminent multiplatform destination for Olympic sports programming. The announcement was made today by Dick Ebersol, Chairman, NBC Universal Sports & Olympics and Leo Hindery, Jr., Managing Partner of InterMedia Partners, the controlling shareholder of WCSN. Universal Sports will include both a television network and a robust online platform UniversalSports.com.

“Universal Sports will provide a terrific year-round home to almost all Olympic sports and the athletes who give our viewers such compelling stories,” said Ebersol.

“We invested in WCSN because we believe that Olympic sports have a large and passionate following and other than NBCU, WCSN was the most responsible steward for this audience,” said Hindery. “It is a privilege and delight to see WCSN and NBCU now come together as partners, and the clear winners today are the fans of Olympic sports and the very sports themselves.”

As part of the transaction, NBCU will become a significant shareholder in WCSN and will jointly control WCSN with InterMedia Partners. The WCSN management team, including Chairman and CEO Claude Ruibal and President Carlos Silva, will continue to manage the company.

In the first step of this new partnership, on Thursday, June 19 gymnastics fans and Friday, June 20 diving fans can now see live early-round coverage of the Olympic Trials on Universal Sports. Previously, these early-round competitions have not had a platform on which to be viewed.

“WCSN is the leading rights holder of Olympic sports programming in between each Olympic Games offering fans comprehensive coverage of skiing, swimming, track and field, gymnastics, and more than 40 other Olympic sports disciplines,” said Ruibal, “Under the new Universal Sports name, and with NBCU as a partner, the combined business will be the undisputed home of Olympic sports across all distribution platforms and will provide these sports and their athletes a real opportunity to get the consistent exposure they deserve across the USA.”

WCSN will rebrand itself as Universal Sports prior to the 2008 Beijing Summer Games and will offer coverage of the U.S. Olympic Trials. NBCU will use the promotional power of its Olympic coverage to drive Universal Sports’ online and television reach. With the combined rights and archives of WCSN and NBC Sports, Universal Sports will represent a new standard for coverage of Olympic sports in the U.S. expanding the availability and growing popularity of these great sports and athletes. In addition to serving Olympic fans everywhere, Universal Sports provides a year-round destination for the elite and everyday athletes who compete, hope to compete and admire those who compete.

About World Championship Sports Network (WCSN)

World Championship Sports Network (WCSN) is the premier destination for fans of Olympic and lifestyle sports, delivering an immersive experience via exclusive live and on-demand coverage of world-class competitions, interaction with top athletes and in-depth access to sports news and information year round.

WCSN’s event programming includes over 200 live events, offering more than 2,000 hours of annual original event programming and thousands of hours of archival programming, delivered on television, online, on wireless devices and on satellite radio. Along with event coverage, WCSN offers fans value-added experiences, allowing them to interact with their favorite world-class champions, as well as become familiar with up-and-coming athletes through the site’s blogs and interviews. For more information, please visit www.WCSN.com.

About NBC Universal

NBC Universal is one of the world's leading media and entertainment companies in the development, production, and marketing of entertainment, news, and information to a global audience. Formed in May 2004 through the combining of NBC and Vivendi Universal Entertainment, NBC Universal owns and operates a valuable portfolio of news and entertainment networks, a premier motion picture company, significant television production operations, a leading television stations group, and world-renowned theme parks. NBC Universal is 80% owned by General Electric and 20% owned by Vivendi.

NBC Universal Sports & Olympics presents viewers with a lineup of prestigious sports properties. As America's Olympic Network, NBC will bring television's most powerful property to hundreds of millions of viewers through 2012, including the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing, the 2010 Vancouver Winter Games and the 2012 London Games. In September 2006, NBC kicked off "NBC Sunday Night Football," the premier primetime game of the week. The unprecedented six-year NFL deal, which includes innovative flexible scheduling, continues through the 2011 season with Super Bowls in 2009 and 2012. NBC's associations with the USGA, PGA of America and PGA TOUR were all recently extended: the USGA and PGA of America through 2014 and PGA TOUR through 2012. Under the agreements, NBC Sports more than doubled its golf coverage beginning in 2007 and broadcast premier events such as the U.S. Open, Ryder Cup, The Players Championship, The Presidents Cup and the final three season-ending PGA TOUR Championship Series events featuring The Tour Championship.

Other premier NBC Sports properties include Notre Dame football, Wimbledon, the French Open, the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness Stakes. NBC Sports and the NHL entered a revenue sharing partnership in 2004. The network presents regional regular season coverage, Stanley Cup playoff games and primetime coverage of Games 3-7 of the Stanley Cup Final. In February 2004, NBC Sports announced the breakthrough AST, a five-month pro tour of action sports.

About InterMedia Partners, L.P.

InterMedia Partners, L.P. is a private equity investment firm that makes control investments in media companies. Currently investing its seventh fund, InterMedia is focused on media content catering to underserved audiences. Founded by Leo Hindery, InterMedia is managed by former media industry executives from the television, cable, print and Internet industries. InterMedia has ten portfolio companies in its current fund, including cable networks, magazine and book publishers, and Internet and content creation businesses.
post #6155 of 11755
Saw the WMYD-DT newscast at 10pm tonight. Says HD on the set, but it's not. The image appears to be zoomed, it does not completely fill the 16:9 area L to R, and the top and bottom is clipped off compared to the 4:3 analog image.

It seems like a low budget operation. A few local stories at the top, with a lot of national filler, then local weather.
post #6156 of 11755
Ken, thanks for the post about 20-2.

Now I've got to hook up my OTA antenna again, or beg Comcast to send 20-2.

We used to enjoy watching the strange sports on 20-2 before we went Comcast (even though it was terrible resolution) and now that they are going to offer some Olympic coverage, I'm interested again. It was commercial free - I wonder if it will stay that way.
post #6157 of 11755
Ken, thanks fore the info. But that press release is the only thing I've seen about the new partnership. It's been over a month since it happened and no new info. I suppose they'll just show older events when the Olympics are on, since there will be no other international events at that time. A little strange though. Why buy a network that specializes in Olympic/international sports and not use it to show the Olympics?
post #6158 of 11755
Because the television deals for the Olympics were struck long before this partnership. It's way too late in the game to change that in time for this year's Olympics. Plus, you have affiliates that have been guaranteed exclusive broadcast rights. WDIV would go mental should 20-2 start airing live Olympic coverage.
post #6159 of 11755
Do any of the Comcast HD boxes or DVRs support passthrough? My TV does a MUCH better job of converting 1080i and 720p to 1080p than my current Comcast box does. I don't remember the model number, but it might be 6412. I can only set the box to output everything in 1080i or 720p. Do they have any boxes that will support passing through the native resolution so that my TV can handle the conversion?

Thanks!
post #6160 of 11755
Looks like Comcast is getting serious! Effective 8-19-08 There cutting all of the premium west cost feeds. (Hbo West,Hbo2 West, Starz West etc..) As of now the only HD channel they'll be adding that day is the Big Ten Network HD on channel 256.

Had to edit the original. There wording isn't the best, but looks like most analog are still here for awhile except for the west cost premiums!
post #6161 of 11755
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Originally Posted by dfedders View Post

Do any of the Comcast HD boxes or DVRs support passthrough? My TV does a MUCH better job of converting 1080i and 720p to 1080p than my current Comcast box does. I don't remember the model number, but it might be 6412. I can only set the box to output everything in 1080i or 720p. Do they have any boxes that will support passing through the native resolution so that my TV can handle the conversion?

Thanks!

Comcast uses two 'platforms' for digital cable; Motorola and Scientific-Atlanta. In this area, Moto is the platform, and none of their STB's have a native pass through mode. For HD, you have to choose 1080i or 720p.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
post #6162 of 11755
Hi everyone,

I've been trying to search for a solution on AVS but no luck. I recently hooked up my HD television to my home's cable system in an attempt to pull up local HD stations via Comcast South Oakland (I'm in Rochester Hills). When hooked up to the "Cable B" lineup, I can bring up all the normal analog cable channels, but my television doesn't find any HD QAM stations. Do I need to connect to the "Cable A" lineup or do something else to receive these channels? Thanks for your help..
post #6163 of 11755
Not sure what you mean by "cable A" and "cable B." You'll need a splitter. Split the incoming cable between the TV and the cable box. If the incoming cable goes to the cable box first, the output will not have the QAM on it. If it goes to the TV first, probably the cable box won't get QAM from it. They each need their own feed.
post #6164 of 11755
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Originally Posted by kjbawc View Post

Not sure what you mean by "cable A" and "cable B." You'll need a splitter. Split the incoming cable between the TV and the cable box. If the incoming cable goes to the cable box first, the output will not have the QAM on it. If it goes to the TV first, probably the cable box won't get QAM from it. They each need their own feed.

In this build area we have a system that uses two cables. The "A" carries all the good stuff (HD, Premiums, Internet), The "B" just had has a basic cable.

I thought they went to digital a few years back and did away for the need of "B" line. I'm sure Ken or Dr. Don will know the answer.
post #6165 of 11755
All the QAM channels are on the "A" cable. You should expect to receive

All HD Locals Including

2-1
4-1
4-2
7-1
7-2
20-1
38-1
50-1
56-1
56-2
56-3
62-1

Note: 20-2 (Universal Sports / WCSN) is not part of the programming package

You will also receive all the PEG (Public Access, Education, Government) channels

All the SD locals including CBET and Comcast Channels 900 and 901

You will also receive a few SD cable channels (a few examples are: History, Discovery Health, TBS, CSPAN, and probably a few others that I am forgetting but you will not get ESPN, FSN, or most of the other channels at this point.)

Recently, the "A" cable was upgraded to 1Ghz and the "B" cable will probably go away somewhere down the line (probably once Comcast goes to a digital-only system) but I don't think we will see that happen in the foreseeable future.
post #6166 of 11755
First post updated, in particular the Comcast section.
post #6167 of 11755
A friend of mine in Westland got Uverse installed yesterday, so I finally had an opportunity to see it firsthand. The PQ, for both HD and SD, is absolutely awful. It's like you're watching a YouTube video. Anyone who is even remotely interested in PQ shouldn't even bother with the service.
post #6168 of 11755
I tried to post this in the right place, specifically for "Detroit hdtv", but
I think it got put in the "root forum" instead... so just one more time :-)

I trust this is the correct way to post in the sub-forum
'Detroit, MI - HDTV'....

I live in Erie, PA
I am (had been) receiving
7.1
7.2
7.3
and recently
56.1
56.2
56.3
and when my Magnovox HDTV receiver locked on 56.x and blanked
out 17.1, 17.2, 17.3 WNED-HD Buffalo NY, making me very unhappy.

Which of these is the primary 56.1 or 17.1 for this channel, "Public TV PBS"
WTVS-HD 1920x1080i ?

It is going to be frustrating for DTV users to realize that STRONGER
stations will be over-writing and cancelling out previously recognized
and programmed stations!
And there is no option yet available to LOCK a station preventing it from
being so REprogrammed! I wonder how much consideration this has
even been given.

My list of Canadian, Detroit, and Buffalo OTA-DTV stations and info about
them is growing :-) My concern is that this winter I'll lose 90% of them
(due to change in atmospheric conditions).

I AM IN SEARCH OF
the most sensitive stand-alone Digital TV Receiver ATSC(ATSC/Analog/QAM)
box available. Comments much appreciated.
Are there any such high-end standalone boxes that offer HDMI or component out? At least S-Video... something other than just Composite? and have a good sensitivity to distant antenna-level signals?

Email: RadSurfer@yahoo.com
Also have AIM.

I use CentOS 5.2 Community Enterprise Red Hat Linux :-) (latest release)
post #6169 of 11755
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Originally Posted by RadSurfer View Post

I live in Erie, PA
I am (had been) receiving
7.1
7.2
7.3
and recently
56.1
56.2
56.3
and when my Magnovox HDTV receiver locked on 56.x and blanked
out 17.1, 17.2, 17.3 WNED-HD Buffalo NY, making me very unhappy.

Which of these is the primary 56.1 or 17.1 for this channel, "Public TV PBS"
WTVS-HD 1920x1080i ?

See the first post of this topic for info on the Detroit area DTV stations.

WTVS-DT is the Detroit PBS Digital station, broadcast on digital channel UHF 43 and currently has 3 subchannels. The PSIP remapping function of your HDTV puts it on 56-1, 56-2, 56-3.

Your problem is WNED-DT PBS Digital in Buffalo is also on digital channel UHF 43 (remapped to 17-1, 17-2, 17-3) and your set will only 'see' one digital channel UHF 43 at a time. I'm assuming you use an antenna rotor for the different stations. The solution is to rescan for the station you want, after moving the antenna to the direction of that station.


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I AM IN SEARCH OF
the most sensitive stand-alone Digital TV Receiver ATSC(ATSC/Analog/QAM)
box available. Comments much appreciated.
Are there any such high-end standalone boxes that offer HDMI or component out? At least S-Video... something other than just Composite? and have a good sensitivity to distant antenna-level signals?

See the HDTV STB Synopsis, in the HDTV Technical Forum, for a list of DTV receivers.

The Samsung DTB-H260F is the best available unit at this time. It has HD output in HDMI & component video. It would have the same issue as your existing HDTV with the two digital channel 43's that you can receive.
post #6170 of 11755
Comcast added The Movie Channel HD and Showtime 2 HD to a few systems in New England. Again, added to the first post.

For those who are curious why I add this info to the first post, when Comcast adds new HD in other areas, it will show up in the Detroit area at some point. for those of you interested in what Comcast will add next, here is the current list:

Coming August 15th:
Big Ten Network HD

Already on at least some Comcast systems, somewhere:
Fox Business Channel HD
NHL Network HD
MGM HD
Fox News Channel HD
Speed HD
FX HD
WGN HD
Weather Channel HD
The Movie Channel HD
Showtime 2 HD

Signed contract, but not on any systems as yet:
ESPNews HD
Hallmark Movie Channel HD
RFD HD

Rumored to be coming soon (maybe for the Olympics?):
MSNBC HD
CNBC HD+
post #6171 of 11755
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

Rumored to be coming soon (maybe for the Olympics?):
MSNBC HD

Ooohh! I can watch the veins stand out on Keith Olbermann's forehead!

Say, do you know what package you will have to have to get MGM HD?
post #6172 of 11755
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Originally Posted by kjbawc View Post

Ooohh! I can watch the veins stand out on Keith Olbermann's forehead!

Say, do you know what package you will have to have to get MGM HD?

No idea, and no idea when it will show up.
post #6173 of 11755
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

Comcast added The Movie Channel HD and Showtime 2 HD to a few systems in New England. Again, added to the first post.

For those who are curious why I add this info to the first post, when Comcast adds new HD in other areas, it will show up in the Detroit area at some point. for those of you interested in what Comcast will add next, here is the current list:

Coming August 15th:
Big Ten Network HD

Already on at least some Comcast systems, somewhere:
Fox Business Channel HD
NHL Network HD
MGM HD
Fox News Channel HD
Speed HD
FX HD
WGN HD
Weather Channel HD

Signed contract, but not on any systems as yet:
ESPNews HD
Hallmark Movie Channel HD
RFD HD

Rumored to be coming soon (maybe for the Olympics?):
MSNBC HD
CNBC HD+

FYI, I don't see anything about TMC HD or SHO2 HD on the first post like you indicated...
post #6174 of 11755
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Originally Posted by kjstorch View Post

FYI, I don't see anything about TMC HD or SHO2 HD on the first post like you indicated...

You're right, not sure what happened, but it's fixed now, thanks.
post #6175 of 11755
I wanted to say that when I posted my message here reporting reception
of Detroit in Erie, I wasn't sure what kind of response I'd get, but it was
very informative and intelligent.

My point is that I had also joined some other forums, some covering the
Canadian DTV status, and had my messages deleted apparently and no
explanation in email or anywhere given as to why or where best to post
my observations and questions. Glad that was not the case here.

Don't suppose anyone knows of a friendly Canadian (London/Hamilton/Toronto) forum which would want reports from Erie PA?

DTV is a fickle thing at this stage... local Erie signals are up one day and totally gone the next; not very useful to those of us refusing to pay for high cable TV costs (along with everything thing else).

Thanks again for a fine group of people. I hope to read along and keep posted
on developments since the weather allows enough of a window to peek in
on you guys :-) Early morning hours were good for 7.x, but conditions are never going to be good enough for practical day-to-day over 162 miles :-)

RadSurfer@yahoo.com
//Rich//
post #6176 of 11755
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Originally Posted by Jeremy W View Post

A friend of mine in Westland got Uverse installed yesterday, so I finally had an opportunity to see it firsthand. The PQ, for both HD and SD, is absolutely awful. It's like you're watching a YouTube video. Anyone who is even remotely interested in PQ shouldn't even bother with the service.


The SD always looked better than usual to me but I agree 100% about the HD quality being subpar.
post #6177 of 11755
I have no digital stations. Used to a few weeks ago. Are they still up? After going thru the dish netwrok script 3 times w/ 3 different "ahem" people, it is clear that they do not know the difference between analog and dig and could not grasp that I have all the analog broadcasts but none of the corresp digital ones....geeeezzzz!!!!!
post #6178 of 11755
August 1st, 2008 5:00PM

the following stations appeared again:
4.1 (45.1) WDIV-HD 1920x1080i Detroit Mich. Analog 45
4.2 (45.2) WDIV-SD 720x480i Weather
4.1 (????) WIVB-HD Buffalo, New York

7.1 (41.1) WXYZ-HD 1280x720p Detroit Mich. ABC 42°28'14.7"N 83°14'59.4"W
7.2 (41.2) WXYZ-DT Detroit, Michigan, RTN7 RetroTVnetwork 7
7.3 (41.3) WXYZ-WX Detroit, Michigan, 24 hour weather

38.1 ( ) WADL-DT UrbanTV Detroit, MI (also get this in Analog)

along with Detroit, for completeness sake, I also received these:
2.1 (??.?) WGRZ-DT NBC Buffalo, New York
2.2 (??.?) WGRZ-W+ 24-hour weather

30.1 ( ) WGTE-HD PBS Northwest Ohio, http://www.wgte.org/
30.2 ( ) WGTE-HD Family
30.3 ( ) WGTE-HD Create

I was told, not entirely certain I believe it yet, that LESS POWER is
needed for Digital then the much higher power needed for "the same range as analog" -- but there is no disputing the more than 50+ DTV stations
received now :-)

I shudder to think what additional stations will come in over August :-)
UHF-Ducting? Lake Erie Effect? Whatever it is... what happens when Winter gets here and the Lake is ICE! ?

//Rich//
post #6179 of 11755
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Originally Posted by RadSurfer View Post

UHF-Ducting? Lake Erie Effect? Whatever it is... what happens when Winter gets here and the Lake is ICE! ?

Welcome to MY personal hell. Depending on where the F layer of the atmosphere is in the early morning hours, we lose listeners downriver and WGAR in Cleveland comes booming in until the sun splits the F layer. Erie and the F-layer make for one giant piece of coax between here and Cleveland. When it's hot (such as now) the reflection is at its peak. It's also problematic when it's very cold. You'll find us praying for temps to stay between freezing and 80 during our important ratings periods.

I realize it's a little off topic, but it gives you some idea as to the fun things atmospheric conditions can do to radio waves. Add in some nice fronts and other phenomena and you experience reception oddities such as the ones you detail above. And I'm sure we'll get a whole new set after analog shutoff when a ton of transmitters go dark and others light up. The ham-radio guy in me cannot wait!
post #6180 of 11755
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Originally Posted by Peter Bonde View Post

I have no digital stations. Used to a few weeks ago. Are they still up? After going thru the dish netwrok script 3 times w/ 3 different "ahem" people, it is clear that they do not know the difference between analog and dig and could not grasp that I have all the analog broadcasts but none of the corresp digital ones....geeeezzzz!!!!!

You need to be more specific. Do you get your local HD stations from Dish Network, or do you use an antenna?

If you are using an antenna, which I highly recommend, then you have a technical problem with your antenna or hardware, because all the local DTV stations in Detroit are on the air and have been, just fine.

All Dish HD receivers have a DTV (Digital TV) receiver built into them, you can probably get more local HD stations with the antenna (7) than from Dish (4), and you can drop the monthly fee for local channels (assuming you have all HD receivers).

If you are getting them from Dish Network, then you need to go thru them to get service. I would have them try 're-hitting' your HD receiver, as a start.
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