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post #331 of 7483
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Originally posted by hall
Yes, Passport.... How long do you have to hold the Power button ?? I was actually told this method by an engineer from my local TW.

Just hold it down for a few seconds until the word BOOT appears in the display, then release the button and the box reboots itself, then once the time appears in the display hit the power button quickly to turn the DVR back on.

To reboot you have to use the button on the front panel on the box itself, the one on the remote won't do it.
post #332 of 7483
Thread Starter 
Just like a modern PC.... Hold it down for "x" seconds and it either powers off or reboots. I've tried it before and it didn't seem to work for me though. That's why I listed the other method.
post #333 of 7483
So does anyone have any new information on the DVI being activated? I remember that when I got this box i was told, "november/december" for activation, and I wonder if anyone's been testing their boxes.

Thanks!
post #334 of 7483
Thread Starter 
It will take a software update/change in order for the DVI output to be activated. I'm sure there are people who check theirs weekly if not daily... Remember though, it might get turned on on my box tomorrow but that means nothing in regards to your box. Each franchise rolls out updates on their own timeframe.
post #335 of 7483
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Originally posted by aBlueSky
Well, I am on my second 8000HD in the past two weeks. I received my second unit after the first unit kept reporting hard drive problems, rebooting and digital break-up. The second unit, which I received Sunday, started doing the same thing. The digital drop outs seem to occur mostly when I am recording one or two HD channels - and they are very annoying. Also, when I start up the following day, it usually says the HD is bad, reboot and then it sometimes works, but often it requires the unit to be unplugged from the wall.

Any ideas?

I was having a lot of problems with mine. Had to reboot frequently, wasn't getting channels, it would even lock up. Note that I have three devices hooked up to the one outlet on the wall. Things would be a little better if I just went straight to the DVR from the wall.

TW Carolina sent out a tech - it turns out that this unit has a problem with signal strength - if it doesn't get enough, you'll miss channels and have to potential to lock up.

The guy boosted the signal, laid a new cable from the box in the yard to the house, and now the DVR works great, and I have my TIVO and TV hooked to it too.
post #336 of 7483
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by Darksaber
I was having a lot of problems with mine. Had to reboot frequently, wasn't getting channels, it would even lock up.

TW Carolina sent out a tech - it turns out that this unit has a problem with signal strength - if it doesn't get enough, you'll miss channels and have to potential to lock up.

I was having issues with my box when I first got it (it was a config issue on TW's head-end that I discovered for them) with certain channels not coming in right, locking up, etc. The head of network engineering first suspected a signal issue also and said the same thing: These boxes "need" a "strong" signal to operate properly.

Turns out the issue was something to do with (2) of their HD channels sharing a QAM slot or something (that I don't understand).
post #337 of 7483
Just noticed something interesting with my 8000HD (TWC in NYC). I have the output formats set to 480i, 720p and 1080i; box is in HD mode always; connected via component to my Samsung HLP5063.

Whenever I am watching something live on an SD channel (I know technically the box is really recording), it is output at 720p (I purposely turned off 480p b/c 720p looks better) - never at 480i. Last night I went to playback a recorded show from one of the Starz channels, and it was played back at 480i. Is it possible that the 8000HD outputs 480i over component when playing back pre-recoreded SD but when watching live it can't output 480i? I later checked another SD recording and that one played back in 720p. Most of my recordings are HD so I don't have any others to test at the moment.

Wondering if others have noticed this behavior.
post #338 of 7483
Ok I don't think this questions has been asked (because I'm sure not to many people do this but...

I have a analog television, and a HD Monitor that I use as a computer monitor. I DO NOT have an HD box yet. I was thinking of trading in my Digital Cable box (SA2100) for the HD/digital cable box (free upgrade w/ time warner)

My problem is that since the HD set is my computer monitor I only want to occasionally watch High def programming on the HD set, and still use my television for standard/digital TV (non-HD, & "Digital") Is this possible with the Time Warner HD box (I'm curious about both the DVR, and non-DVR versions)

(I called time warner and tried to ask this question but I think I confused the support tech.)

I also asked if the box had DVI and she said yes, but I never thought to ask if it was enabled. From the sound of some of the previous posts it is enabled but may not be working well yet. Anyone have new comments on the DVI for the SA8000?

(NOTE I am also wondering about the non-DVR version if anyone has any comments, feel free to email me if discussing that would be considered OT)
post #339 of 7483
At least for TWCNYC, the only outputs currently enabled on the SA8000HD/Passport are the component outputs.
post #340 of 7483
How much longer must we wait?!? This is craziness!
post #341 of 7483
dodald:

The SA8000HD would be a bad choice for this application as you have to do a secret handshake to get it to switch between HD and SD modes. When in HD mode, the S-Video out is disabled so your regular TV wouldn't display anything.

Other non-recording HD boxes, e.g. the SA3250HD, will display HD over DVI at the same time as SD over S-Video, so they would work fine in your situation.

-Ryan
post #342 of 7483
I just got an 8000HD in NYC, but am having trouble getting digital audio. Does anyone know how to activate the coaxial output?

Thanks,
Kevin
post #343 of 7483
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Originally posted by bf18125
I just got an 8000HD in NYC, but am having trouble getting digital audio. Does anyone know how to activate the coaxial output?

Thanks,
Kevin

Please describe your setup and problem in greater detail. The 8000HD's coax out is "active," and I've used both it and the optical output without any problems.
post #344 of 7483
I'm running a coax from the box to my A/V receiver in addition to R/L rca cables. I think my previous box worked by always output over the RCA cables, and only output over the coax when a program was broadcast in surround sound. My receiver would default to digital whenever the box sends a coax signal. I'll double check my settings, but essentially all I have done is unplugged the wires from the old box and plugged them in to the 8000HD.
post #345 of 7483
I have RCA cable runing from th 8000HD to my TV and from TV to video 1 port on the Receiver. I also have Coax Digital running from the 8000HD to a port labled Aux on the receiver. Either output works all the time. The first output is for when I am using another video source but it also works when the 8000 is the source but will not be surround sound.
post #346 of 7483
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Originally posted by Manatus
Please describe your setup and problem in greater detail. The 8000HD's coax out is "active,".....

It's not active everywhere - on my SA8000HD the Component output is the only one active. The RF/Coax output and S-Video outputs are dead. I think it all depends on what your particular cable company has enabled.
post #347 of 7483
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Originally posted by RandyWalters
It's not active everywhere - on my SA8000HD the Component output is the only one active. The RF/Coax output and S-Video outputs are dead. I think it all depends on what your particular cable company has enabled.

The question to which I was responding, and my response, concerned the 8000HD's audio, not its video, outputs.
post #348 of 7483
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Originally posted by Manatus
The question to which I was responding, and my response, concerned the 8000HD's audio, not its video, outputs.

Whoops, my brain was still thinking about the video outputs discussed a few posts before I should have read the audio bits more carefully !
post #349 of 7483
Had something strange happen on my 8000HD yesterday. (imagine that)

I have been having problems playing recorded shows. After pressing play, the screen would sit at time 0:00 and just flicker. I could usually hit FWD a few times and get it to start playing. I decided to see if a reboot would help. So, I powered off, unplugged for a few seconds, then plugged back in.

After the box was back up, ALL the recorded shows since 12/6 were gone!!! Shows before 12/6 were still there. What was even stranger, was shows I deleted before 12/6 were back!!!

I thought I had entered some SA time warp or something.....
post #350 of 7483
I had a similar problem about two weeks ago. Some recorded programs seemed to indicate that they stopped at the same time they started. After I rebooted some previous recordings were gone.

Since that time I have not had this reoccur but I have started having the system power down and restart overnight. I also do a reboot at least once per week. I do not know if this really is necessary but it doesn't hurt.

Gene
post #351 of 7483
Apparently knowledgeable salesperson at TWC Los Angeles told me DVI works but has been disabled because it does not block channels not subscribed to- everything passes. Requires a software change. When I asked when that could be expected I got the response that it was not a priority as TW was pushing its cable phone service as a priority.
post #352 of 7483
I thought I would post this here as well. This message is from the "Consolidated AE700 thread" in the "Digital Projectors - Under $3500 USD MSRP" forum.

Executive summary: Is there anyway to adjust the output of the Explorer in-order to "align" the image (left-right and overscan) with that of my DVD player?

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Originally posted by HTDummy
Hello,

Just got my AE700 hooked up last night. I'm using DVI-HMDI from the cable box to the projector and component from the Zenith 318 to the projector. I have a question. When watching HDTV from the cable box, my picture is perfectly centered. When I switch to the DVD player, my image shifts to the left and no longer is centered on the screen like it should be. Any idea why this is happening?

Thanks in advance!

I don't see an answer to this question. I have the same problem. I have two component sources (a Time Warner Explorer 8000 cable box and a Zenith 318 DVD player) connected to my receiver (Panasonic SA-XR70). I then ran component from the SA-XR70 to the AE700U. The 318 is set to upconvert to 720p. The Explorer 8000 is set to output only 720p and 1080i.

I centered my image on my screen perfectly using the lens shift when viewing material from the DVD player. When I then switch to the cable box and view a 720p source (haven't checked 1080i yet) the image falls off the right side of my screen by about 4 inches (101" diag screen) and on the left side of the screen it's about 1" from the edge. So the image from the cable box is slightly wider and shifted to the right. This amount is larger than I can adjust from the pj's horizontal shift menu option, so I end up having to slightly change the lens shift and zoom.

Any idea why this is happening or what I can do about it?

It appears I'm SOL since I don't see anyway to adjust the output from the DVD player nor the cable box. :-(

Thoughts?
post #353 of 7483
Should have posted this around Christmas time but Santa (aka folks
at Pioneer or SA may still be listening)......

I recently got a Sony KDF-42WE655 and got a SA8000HD w/Passport
software from Time Warner. I absolutely love this DVR thing. Having
two tuners is especially nice. Luckily TWC is only giving out the 160G
versions in my area. Never had a DVR before so I'm really liking it.
My TIVO friends do tell me that TIVO's software smoke the SA8000HD
software.

Anyway, while I really like the SA8000HD, below are some features
I hope they eventually give us in some software update.

- Passthru function
- Disk space remaining indicator (without having to go to diag channel)
- PillarBox Color being configurable
- 30 sec skip (aka commercial skip)
- Play from beginning option when with a recording in progress
- HDMI/DVI (not activated on my box; component only)

In addition to the above, what's on your wish list?
post #354 of 7483
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Originally posted by merlintl
Anyway, while I really like the SA8000HD, below are some features
I hope they eventually give us in some software update.

- Passthru function
- Disk space remaining indicator (without having to go to diag channel)
- PillarBox Color being configurable
- 30 sec skip (aka commercial skip)
- Play from beginning option when with a recording in progress
- HDMI/DVI (not activated on my box; component only)

In addition to the above, what's on your wish list?

A cold day in Hell
post #355 of 7483
You're having problems with chasing playback? The box certainly supports it and I've never had the problem which some people have seen, even when playing back from the beginning of a 5-hour recording of a tennis match that was over 4 hours in.

Supposedly 30-second skip was in the firmware, but deactivated on request of the cable providers. Possibly at the request of the people who pay them to put interstitial ads in the programs--who knows? Even TiVo never officially had that feature (you had to turn it on by accessing a debug mode). There are those who have come up with macros for high end remotes which can do it, but it's not quite the same as an instantaneous skip.

I still don't understand a use for a "remaining disk space indicator" (did TiVo have this? I haven't used mine in months, so I forget). On my own system, the only constant bitrate recorded on disk is analog, which is about 5% of my recording at this point. (See here). One hour of HD Fox takes up about half the space on disk as one hour of HDNet, and storage necessary for an hour of HD on the the "big 3" networks varies (CBS having the lowest average bitrate and ABC having the highest). SD digital channel bitrates are variable, program-to-program, and all over the place. Estimating how much of what I want to record will fit in a given number of megabytes would be problematic, at best. (Unless, of course, it was all analog--always 2.3GB/hour, period).

I find what it does do to be more useful, and certainly more user-friendly for the non-computer-literate: when disk space gets short, it tells me how long I have to watch the things that are there before it will have to delete them to make space for something on the schedule. Based on that information, I can go in and bump the things I care the most about up to the top of the list, delete anything which I recorded on a whim (or just leave it at the bottom, to get axed automatically if I don't get around to watching) and set anything that I absolutely have to watch to "save until I delete".

Let's see. We've been through this exercise before, but it's been months, so what irritates me about the box has probably changed. My list would be:
  • An incremental title search, by entering in leading characters
  • Download the new ending day of the schedule automatically, daily, and buffer the enter week's schedule (or at least cache it to disk)! The "loading new information" pauses are idiotic. This is not unique to the DVR, but it affects the DVR's recording scheduler, since it can't tell that it's scheduled to record a program until that day has been loaded. Also, the "genre" and "title" schedule listing only show information for days which have been loaded at least once (I try to scan through the end of the schedule at least every couple of days, looking for new movies to record on the subscription channels)
  • When viewing the full guide info of a program, give me an option to see all known future showings and to select any of them for recording
  • The TiVo feature (I forget what it's called) that lets you see why it didn't record an episode of something in the "Series Manager"
Nothing else springs to mind right now, but I'm sure that there or others.
post #356 of 7483
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Originally posted by michaeltscott

I still don't understand a use for a "remaining disk space indicator" (did TiVo have this? I haven't used mine in months, so I forget). On my own system, the only constant bitrate recorded on disk is analog, which is about 5% of my recording at this point. (See here). One hour of HD Fox takes up about half the space on disk as one hour of HDNet, and storage necessary for an hour of HD on the the "big 3" networks varies (CBS being the having the lowest average bitrate and ABC having the highest). SD digital channel bitrates are variable, program-to-program, and all over the place. Estimating how much of what I want to record will fit in a given number of megabytes would be problematic, at best. (Unless, of course, it was all analog--always 2.3GB/hour, period).

Hi michaeltscott, we've discussed (argued) this point before, but I'll try to explain why I think a space indicator is important. For the way I use the box, a general feeling as to how much space exists is important. It sounds like you do very little ad hoc recording, and can thus rely on the remaining time indicators. I do a lot of ad hoc recording. Just last night, for example, there were two pretty bad movies that I hadn't seen, so I thought I might record them just in case I got bored. I would have liked to know whether my disk was empty, full, or somewhere in the middle before I decided whether to record them or not.

As to the problems of exact measurement, I agree it's tricky, but there are solutions. The easiest and least satisfying would be to just show a gauge which ranges from empty to full, and the "needle" would indicate how close to empty/full the disk is. There wouldn't even need to be any numbers - it could be based on disk space. A better soltuion would be a line displaying remaining space in terms of megabytes (for the techies), hours of analog, hours of digital SD, and hours of digital HD at the lowest and highest bitrates.

For example:
Remaining: 4.6 GB 2.0 - 4.0 hours SD 0.5 - 1.0 hours of HD

Users of these numbers would have to learn to understand that bitrates for HD programming are quite variable, and that's probably a useful thing to learn.

I don't know if Tivo does this, but ReplayTV does, and it takes into account that you can record in different quality levels when computing the time remaining.

-barry
post #357 of 7483
merlintl,
Do you mean 480i passthrough? I would like that also, since going from 480p to 1080i involves several flashes of the screen anyway (TV and DVR re-adjusting something).

I was under the impression that 480p, 720p, and 1080i were all available and could be sent in the channel's original format. (I can't resolve 720p on my TV, so I can't test).

To add to Mike Scott's request for less "loading new information" pauses, I would like to see the picture in the upper corner stop blanking out during these at least. The Pioneer stopped everything, but for a short period of time after I received it, the DVR would continue merrily playing along. Now it continues to play audio sometimes, but always displays a black screen.


-CF
post #358 of 7483
Well, it wouldn't hurt as an additional measurement. It certainly wouldn't take much to give you an estimate of remaining disk space, in terms of hours of HD (near max rate), SD digital (high average rate) and SD analog (fixed rate). Heck--for HD and SD-digital numbers, they could just use their BS advertising brochure numbers of 20 hours HD (about 18 Mbps) and 90 hours SD (about 4 Mbps) for estimation--maybe that's what they're basing their predictions on now.

However, for that to be useful, you'd have to use it in combination with the list of scheduled recordings--remaining time now could be twice what it will be after the next six hours of scheduled recordings complete.

I watch a lot of serial television, regularly scheduled to record. I watch it as quickly as possible, but I only watch timeshifted, so I can zap the ads. Movie watching for me is highly mood dependent and films will often pile up. (I have to be in just the right mood to watch a film that's either comedic or extremely depressing). That's why the "watch this soon or I will dump it" scheme works well for me.
post #359 of 7483
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Originally posted by CANNON-FODDER
merlintl,
Do you mean 480i passthrough? I would like that also, since going from 480p to 1080i involves several flashes of the screen anyway (TV and DVR re-adjusting something).

-CF

Yep.....
post #360 of 7483
This may not be an SA8000HD-specific question, but I can't be sure since I don't have another box to check. Does anyone else (TWCNYC specifically) have trouble accessing on-demand services? About 80% of the time I get a "this service cannot be accessed at this time" message. VERY frustrating!! If it's not just an 8000HD issue I'll get a second box for use with on-demand services...any thoughts?? Thanks..
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