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Pioneer Elite VSX 56TXi owners unite!

post #1 of 428
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Hello 56 owners,

I thought I would start a dedicated thread on our receiver. Hopefully, we can help each other with all aspects of this great piece of equipment. I've only had mine for 4 days and I'm still in the process of learning the remote and setup. I would like to know what equipment your using it with, how you have it set up (HDMI, iLink, component, etc.) and how you have it tuned?

I have mine set up with an Elite DV 59 AVi connected with the iLink. The 59 is connected to an LG 44 inch TV with HDMI. My HDTV cable box is connected with component cables. All video interconnects are from Tributaries and audio interconnects are from IXOS. I have a trio of Definitive Technology speakers in the front. I have the BP7006 for front left and right and a CLR 2300 for the center. Rear surrounds are Sonance 622TRs. This is a 5.0 system since I don't have a dedicated sub. All electronics are plugged into a Panamax Powermax 8DBS+3 surge protector. This is my second home entertainment system and it completely blows away my old system, which has been retired to the master bedroom. I consider it to be my next step up the ladder. I figure my next system will include seperates with a projector/screen.

Last night was the first time that I got to play around with the tuner and the CD playback from the 59. I programmed in 20 FM stations (that was a stretch) I still have 10 remaining but I can't get any AM signal. Anybody else having problems picking up AM? The antenna is attached and I can hear some static/fuzz with the volume up but no music/talk. I know I will probably never listen to the AM stations but I at least would like to have some of the talk stations programmed in there. The FM stations come in fine with the antenna. I found that NPR sounded better in mono rather than stereo. It cut out alot of the noise. For CD playback, I thought it sounded best in the direct mode. I tried it in stereo, Dolby, etc. and kept coming back to direct. This is by far the best sounding stereo I've ever owned. I've owned 3 car systems and 1 home system before this. I haven't bought any SACD or DVD Audio discs yet but I plan on getting some this weekend. I'll post my results on that later this weekend. How do you other owners listen to 2 channel music with this receiver? Anybody have a turntable hooked up to theirs?

I haven't even watched a complete movie on the system yet. I've tested some scenes from Toy Story, Star Wars, and the Fellowship of the Ring and they all sounded and looked incredible. I've also tested some 2 channel DVDs of old television shows and the Dolby Pro Logic II does a fantastic job of creating a surround environment. What are some settings to test during movie playback?

Two other questions: What kind of headphones are you using with it and do you have a home satellite radio receiver hooked up to it?

Thanks in advance for any advice, criticism, or insight. I'm sure I'll have more questions as I get more into this receiver.
post #2 of 428
Hey FreeRadical, I am considering trading my Denon 3805 in for a 56txi. (Going to listen to one this weekend). So I will be following your thread. If you are able to find any external reviews on the web, please be sure to post them okay.

Thanks and Regards,

Hoss
post #3 of 428
Just got my 56TXi two weeks ago, then a couple days later I got stuck working night shift. So I haven't had much of a chance to play around with the new beast. My receiver is hooked up to a NADS250 amp using 4 of 5 channels to bi-amp my L/R and the 5th channel runs the center. The 56TXi is used for the rears and processing. Speakers are Paradigm Studio(v3) 40/20/570/PW2100. I've watched one movie(The Day After Tomorrow) and it sounded awesome. In a few days I'll get a little more time to play around with the unit and put it through its paces.

Kevin
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My 56TXi is hooked up to Gemstone amp running the front & side surrounds with Pio running the rears with great results. My front speakers are Aerials(Model 6 & CC3B), surrounds are Mirage Omni 50 & backs are MA Silver 3i with Rocket UFW-10 sub. My dvd player is Panny RP-82 with SDI out connected to IScan HD which is in turn connected to InFocus 7200 pj projecting on 100" Firehawk. 56TXi replaced B&K Ref31 as prepro with great results. I am waiting for Yamaha S-2500 dvd player with i-link which is supposed to come out by Jan'05. Atleast in my setting even without the i-link, going to 56TXi from B&K Ref31 has been a step up.
post #5 of 428
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Originally posted by vinodk
My 56TXi is hooked up to Gemstone amp running the front & side surrounds with Pio running the rears with great results. My front speakers are Aerials(Model 6 & CC3B), surrounds are Mirage Omni 50 & backs are MA Silver 3i with Rocket UFW-10 sub. My dvd player is Panny RP-82 with SDI out connected to IScan HD which is in turn connected to InFocus 7200 pj projecting on 100" Firehawk. 56TXi replaced B&K Ref31 as prepro with great results. I am waiting for Yamaha S-2500 dvd player with i-link which is supposed to come out by Jan'05. Atleast in my setting even without the i-link, going to 56TXi from B&K Ref31 has been a step up.


great setup!!!!

i had the chance to hear the gemstone at Steve H's house.... excellent amp!.... if there would have been room in the checkbook it might have followed me home!!!

your setup also goes to show that a "receiver" can outperform a separate pre/pro....


cheers!

post #6 of 428
Hey Kevin. W,

Yeah, I'm stalking you. That's some great equipment you've got there. That CC is completely badass! And the Nad has me green. Here's hoping you find some time to enjoy it!

Martin.
post #7 of 428
This seems alot like my "RXV2400 unite thread"
post #8 of 428
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Alright, I bought the SACD of Pink Floyd's DSOTM tonight. I popped it in the 59AVi and let it rip in regular CD mode to start. It sounded good. I then go to the manual for the 59 and it says on page 73 to set the area of playback for multilayered SACD discs. I set it to Multi-ch Area and then go back to playback. The sound is much improved but I never hear anything out of the center or surround speakers. The display on the 56TXi shows that they are active but I have no sound coming out of them. I then go back into the DVD players menu and set it for 2ch Area. I go back to playback and sure enough, only the left and right speakers are indicated on the receiver's display. I went back and forth several times and can't figure out what's going on.

Anybody else have this problem?
post #9 of 428
It sounds sort of like a problem that I had with the Blue Man Group "Audio"
DVD-A a while back. Here's a link to the the thread . . .

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...98#post3448998
post #10 of 428
hey freeradical,

i just bought the same two pieces, but won't be able to give feedback for quite some time, as they're on hold while my house is being built.. i will definitely subscribe to this thread though so as to keep up to date with whats going on with my units. hope to get some good ideas.

az ryan
post #11 of 428
Couple of thoughs and questions from a 54Tx owner ..


Is there any way to view the dB reading on screen for volume adjustments?

This is one feature I was hoping to gain back by stepping down from seperates. My last receiver has this feature.
If not its no bid deal , at least I have an on screen display for other set-up adjustments.



I gotta admit that I always thought these auto calibration features were just a gimick until set-up my 54tx today. It figures the speaker distances so accurately that its almost scary!


I have had 4 HT receivers so far and this 54tx is the first one where I did not feel as if there were a bunch of useless inputs and outputs on back.
Who in the hell need 15 analog ins and 14 digital ins and outs? I sure as heck dont
post #12 of 428
Thread Starter 
Saturday morning update:

I found out how to get multichannel music to come throught the receiver. You have to set up SACD playback on the receiver as well as the DVD player. Page 80 of the receiver's manual explains how to go in and turn the SACD functions on and off.

Pink Floyd is awesome in multi channel. I have literally heard things in there I've never heard before. At some point a woman says something like "he's cruisin' for a bruisin". Unbelievable!
post #13 of 428
Hope you don't mind me "crashing" the party. I don't have the 56TXi, but I do have the 59 AVi DVD player i-linked to a 59 TXi AVR.

Regarding the DSOT SACD, it is amazing. I've owned this music on Vinyl, CD and now SACD. I've heard it well over 200 times and I had no idea how layered this piece is. Even today, I've played the SACD at least 20 times and still hear something I hadn't noticed before when I play it again.

Bass management via i-link is dead on perfect when used with MCACC, too.

Picture quality of the 59 AVi (via HDMI/DVI) is nothing short of stunning and the best I've seen.
post #14 of 428
So the 56txi has bass management for sacd, I wish I had known about this feature.
post #15 of 428
Yes , no doubt.. DSOTM is an incredible remastering work of art. Even just the CD layer is quite stunning.
post #16 of 428
56TXi applies bass management & MCACC to dvd-a & sacd only when connected through i-link.
post #17 of 428
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Originally posted by James W. Johnson
So the 56txi has bass management for sacd, I wish I had known about this feature.

I mentioned in this thread that you posted to as well, 56TXi and 3805 shootout.
That's what I meant when I said "As for the benefits of i.Link, there is the issue of central BM" meaning for all formats.

Best regards,
Patrick
post #18 of 428
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Originally posted by vinodk
56TXi applies bass management & MCACC to dvd-a & sacd only when connected through i-link.


Are you sure about that? I just want to be certain..that does make me feel better though because I have no intensions of buying a 59avi since I just bought a Denon 2900.
post #19 of 428
Quote:


Originally posted by avaholic
I mentioned in this thread that you posted to as well, 56TXi and 3805 shootout.
That's what I meant when I said "As for the benefits of i.Link, there is the issue of central BM" meaning for all formats.

Best regards,
Patrick


Thanks, it now makes sence.
post #20 of 428
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Originally posted by graphicguy
Regarding the DSOT SACD, it is amazing. I've owned this music on Vinyl, CD and now SACD. I've heard it well over 200 times and I had no idea how layered this piece is. Even today, I've played the SACD at least 20 times and still hear something I hadn't noticed before when I play it again.

Only 200 times... You must have been sheltered somewhere for many years...

I bet I heard it played at least that many times, the year the album first originally came out on vinyl and tapes.
post #21 of 428
Thread Starter 
I have to say that the CD playback is very, very good. However, the SACD completly destroys the CD layer. I can't believe anyone would say that SACD is not worth it. I am definetly going to get some more. I'm also going to check out some DVD Audio discs like "Peace Sells....." by Megadeth. The local Best Buy has half a row dedicated to these formats. The one title they didn't have was DSOTM!! I had to go to Circuit City to find it. They only had about 10 titles (mostly Dylan). They had it though and I snatched it up. Funny story: I asked the saleman working in the CD department at CC about SACD and DVD Audio. He said, "what's that?" I said its high resolution audio on CD for multichannel music. He said to check the music DVD section. Ha Ha. I figured they didn't have any so I decided to stroll over to the receiver section and see what they had. On the end of the aisle they had a Sony display with a receiver and DVD player with a few dics around it. Man, those receivers pale in comparison to the one sitting in my living room. When I go to check out guess who is working the register. You guessed it. The knucklehead that doesn't even know what his store carries. I told him there was a tiny display in the back of the store that had them. He looked at me and said, "I wish they would tell me about these things."
post #22 of 428
Is anyone useing the Mulit Room function? If so is there any way to contol the volume and source from a remote instead of useing the 2 buttons on the unit? I have called and email Pioneer and no one seems to know? I am trying to decide between a 3805 and the 56rxi.. My denon does this with ease

Thanks
post #23 of 428
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Originally posted by Johnla
Only 200 times... You must have been sheltered somewhere for many years...

I bet I heard it played at least that many times, the year the album first originally came out on vinyl and tapes.

Johnla....it could have been more. I'm sure I heard it many times in my youth that I just "don't remember"

...kind of like what they say about the late '60s....if you remember those years, you weren't there...
post #24 of 428
Thread Starter 
I am using the multi room function to run a pair of speaker outside by the pool. I believe the installer is powering them with the two channels not being used in the mail listening room. They totally rock outside. I'm sure I'll be hearing from the neighbors when we start having pool parties. The only way to control the second zone is with the buttons on the receiver.
post #25 of 428
Stupid question alert:

I just purchased a 56txi and a 59avi (being shipped as we speak). I'll also be getting a Sony HS51 projector. These are the only pieces of equipment I'll have to start off, but in the future I'll probably also hook up a VCR, Directv box ( eventually the HD with tivo, probably). I have some conduit that runs from the audio area to where the projector will be, but it's very hard to access (installers did a crappy job) and it's only 1" (but 2 of them).

My question (finally) - Can I just run one line from the receiver to the projector and then hook up individual components directly to the receiver? I think this will be the simplest solution for me, but will it degrade the picture quality of the DVD or HD box?

Thanks,

Stew
post #26 of 428
you got it stew, thats what it was designed to do. The 56TXi is a great piece and will not harm the video signals. Enjoy! Video switching is a beautiful thing for projectors...
post #27 of 428
I am looking at upgrading my denon 3802, which drives 2 Eosone 1000 Towers, 120w, slighlty dirty power consumption wise.

My choices are
Denon 3805
Denon 4802R (which I am told even with the R is a much older designed unit??)
Pioneer 56txi
Yamaha 2400 V I think it is, which has the new partial digital pathway technology.

I can get the Denon for 699, the 4802R and 56txi for 990, and the 2400 for 700-800 or less.

The DLink on the denon bothers me alot. That is a serious knock on the denons and I am surprised they left something so proprietary in with all the other things like Firewire, USB, Ethernet and I Link as shared standards that are out. Shame on them. However barring that , the 3805 isn't bad from what I can see.

THe 4802R seems to have THX ULTRA 2?? hmmm need to check that out.

THe Yamaha has this new digital technolgy pathway stuff.


I am kind of settling on the Pio 56txi...




Opinions current 56txi owners?
post #28 of 428
Thread Starter 
Hey ZZ,

I've had my 56 for two weeks now and I haven't had any problems with it. It is starting to sound better and better every day. It has plenty of power. The iLink connection works like a charm. SACD music sounds fantastic. My CDs sound way better than my old stereo. I'm really listening to alot more music now. Movies have lots of clarity and plenty of punch. The tuner even sounds good but I can't get any AM reception. The installers didn't have the antenna connected properly. I corrected it and still can't get any reception. Who listens to AM anyway? The only problem that I have with it, and its really not that big, is the remote. I think it is kind of big and unbalanced in my hand. The buttons are also kind of small. I wish the volume buttons were closer to where your thumb would naturally rest on it rather than having them near the bottom on the right. It does light up though which is very cool.

I don't think you'll be dissappointed with it if you decided to purchase one.

Get The DV-59AVi to go along with it and you'll really be pleased.

FR
post #29 of 428
A question that may have been asked before.
I am going to use 56txi for HT/MC music system. Since I have dipole on the sides and monopole in the back (7.1 HT set up). Is there anyway that I can use the back (monopole) speakers when I play MC music without physically switching the inputs? Thanks!
post #30 of 428
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Originally posted by FreeRadical
[b]I have to say that the CD playback is very, very good. However, the SACD completly destroys the CD layer.

The SACD and CD stereo layers of the DSoTM hybrid were mastered differently. It wasn't just a case of the SACD version being converted to CD. More compression (dynamic range compression, not data compression) was applied to the CD layer. (This was demonstrated by measurments published in Stereophile, among other places). One can't really make claims about SACD vs CD based on the sound, when that sort of stuff is going on...
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