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post #241 of 2968
Just got my 2910 and up and running DVI-1080I into a Sony GWIII. Picture outstanding when DVI cable direct into TV. But when I put it Thu my Geffen DVI 2x1 switcher no picture. Anyone have a idea?
post #242 of 2968
Cecchine - I've got my 2910 running into the GWIII also via DVI, sorry I can't help with the Geffen switch.

Did you apply any of umr's tweaks to your set?

The image looks great on this end too. We're very happy with the combo..

Mike
post #243 of 2968
Is that switch HDCP compliant??
post #244 of 2968
Yes it is
post #245 of 2968
No I have not done any tweaks, what Im getting out of the box looks great
post #246 of 2968
Now that I think I've gotten my 2910 set up to acceptable levels (connected to Mitsubishi 48413 via DVI @ 1080i), I attemted some viewing tests this morning. On the Matrix: Reloaded around the 11:30 mark (after Link says "He's doing his Superman thing.") the scene switches to some clouds. There is some very noticable blocking and general splochiness here. There was one white cloud toward the bottom middle of the frame that even looks striped for several frames. It's not as bad at 480p or on my old non-progressive Sony 530 but still somewhat splotchy. Now I know things like fog and clouds are hard for encoding anyway. Am I seeing "the bug" here or just a problem spot on the disc?
post #247 of 2968
I have been reading this thread for 6 months now to get an opinion for a new DvD player, decided to go with the 2910.
I ordered it 2 months ago (silver), finally got on friday 11/5. Hooked up via DVi on my Hitachi ultravision 57s500, after I set it up I played new dvd's that I own, first one played fine, second one midway through started to stutter freeze and lock up. Powered off and play it again next day, now I used the disk that froze up previously and it played fine, second disk again it started the same thing, same thing next day, I called crutchfield and they wil send a replacement.
It seems to do that after a period of time, there is plenty of space around cabinent so heating is not a problem. I have been looking forward to this player and so far I'm extemely dissapointed for the perfomance. This is my first Denon product.
post #248 of 2968
I am thinking about picking this player up soon and I have a question. I have a Mitsubishi 65615 CRT RPTV that has an HDMI input - would this player perform better using that input on an RPTV or over component? I would like to know if anyone has any experience since I will probably have to buy a long HDMI cable when I pick up the player.

Thanks for any response.
post #249 of 2968
After purchasing the 2910 in black, I've been very happy with it's performance. I was so happy with it, I decided to buy another but in Silver to match the specific TV setup and other components. The first silver one I got was dead and would not spin the disc for playback. Everything else was ok as far as I could tell. The blue background screen, remote, opening tray, etc. So I took that one back and received another silver after the special order. The second silver player plays most of the disc that I've thrown in there, but on a couple, it looks like the player is in some sort of Zoom mode that blows up the picture making it oversized, and cuts off some part of the picture toward the bottom right hand side. There is also some white lines on the bottom of the screen about 2 inches tall. They do go across the entire bottom of the screen horizontally. I don't have the zoom feature on. Hook up is by DVI to DVI on the television. All of the settings are correct as far as I know as well. It looks like this one is going back as well. I think I will try a black one this time like the first player since it's still perfect.

cheers,
post #250 of 2968
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Originally posted by salrmrcrey
After purchasing the 2910 in black, I've been very happy with it's performance.

cheers,

I had a silver one on order but when I had one of the 1st available 2910 (about over 2 months ago, early August?) on demo i'd decided to keep the "DEMO" unit (brand new in the box) since it was perfect with no real issues. And having the demo unit for a month I've cancelled the silver one a month back and never regretted it, def keeping my black early production one.
post #251 of 2968
I have 2) black 2910 that have worked perfectly. Both of them have July '04 manufacture dates.
post #252 of 2968
Can anyone play VCD's on their 2910?

Cheers,
post #253 of 2968
I guess not......
bump bump
post #254 of 2968
I have a 2910 and NEC HT1100 and this is the first time I have set them up together.

When running throught the DVE test patterns I noticed that on the SMPTE Color Bar that Red and Blue overlap by a very noticable margin. The same with Cyan and Yellow (which of course makes a green stripe where they overlap). The whole color bar also looks quite 'soft'.

Originally I thought this was due to the DVI cable but I have since found that it is anytime I switch the player Video Out to Progressive. When it is set to interlaced the test pattern is very crisp and has almost no overlap of colors anywhere. The problems are also there at 1080i.

With the short amount of viewing time so far I feel that the Component/Interlaced output is better than any of the progressive outputs, including DVI.

Am I missing some adjustment somewhere? Is there anything in the HT1000/HT1100 that is able to help with this? Or is this not relevant to real world viewing?

I would be interested if someone with a HT1000/HT1100 and the Denon 2910 could look at one of these patterns running Progressive component and DVI 720P and see how theirs look.
post #255 of 2968
If anyone is running the 2910 with the Panasonic th-42px25u I'd be interested in your impressions.

Thanks!
post #256 of 2968
Quote:


Originally posted by btiltman
I have a 2910 and NEC HT1100 and this is the first time I have set them up together.
I would be interested if someone with a HT1000/HT1100 and the Denon 2910 could look at one of these patterns running Progressive component and DVI 720P and see how theirs look.

If you do a search by my screen name, you will find some HT1000/2910 settings that work well for me.
post #257 of 2968
Bytehoven

Re: SMTPE Color Bar Overlap

Thanks for that..... I did do that before setting up and playing around with it.

I guess what I am asking is whether that phenomenon with that test pattern is normal on a 2910 that someone is seeing a good pic on?

Thanks for your reply though!
post #258 of 2968
Quote:


Originally posted by btiltman
Bytehoven

Re: SMTPE Color Bar Overlap

Thanks for that..... I did do that before setting up and playing around with it.

I guess what I am asking is whether that phenomenon with that test pattern is normal on a 2910 that someone is seeing a good pic on?

Thanks for your reply though!

Let me have the Title and Chapter numbers for the pattern, and I will take a look.

My 2910 has been very clean, with none of the bleeding colors you mention. But I will check.
post #259 of 2968
Hi bucky63,

I finally did get my 12M Monster DVI400 yesterday n it works like a Charm-----no noise, no sparkle, no fading color. So, I can kind of draw a conclusion that if one uses a quality DVI cable, length is not much a problem, that scare people off when some company declare 5M is the max.. The picture is very clean, bright, sharp n detail. However, I did try your setting n for some reason, it didn't work out, maybe the cable n screen is different. But I did leave the 'Enhanced Black' on my 2910, n it made the white color stands out better.

However, what position did you leave the AI of AE500 on ? Also, did you notice whenever you use DVI input on AE500, the height of the picture shrink by about 1-2 in. on a 90" screen. However, the height is normal when using Component n Aux input. Did the same happen to you n is there any fix for that ???

Thanks again for your advice.







Quote:


Originally posted by bucky63
The blue filter I'm referning to is the filter used in check Color and Hue when using AVIA. Sorry for the confusion...

The DVI cable is a 30' RAM (not the Dual Link? version). My screen is a 80" Bright 1.4 Carada.

Projector settings are...

Natural Picture mode
Contrast and Brightness calibrated with AVIA
Sharpness set to 0
Color Temp set to 0
Low and High Gamma set to -1

2910 settings are...

DVI 720p output
Enhanced DVI black level
Set - Setup Level set to 0
Auto 1

What don't you like in the picture quality your getting with your AE500 and the 2910?

post #260 of 2968
Quote:


Can anyone play VCD's on their 2910?

I tried a couple of VCD's on mine, but it wouldn't play them. The icon "VCD" shows up on the player's display, but the the picture shows up garbled and keeps scrolling. In fact, the menu itself gets messed up, till I put in a DVD! I tried various modes (1080i, 480p) and also tried it thru' S-Video, but with no luck. BTW, these VCD's play fine on my old DVD player. Definitely seems a like a bug on the 2910.
post #261 of 2968
Quote:


Originally posted by Bytehoven
Let me have the Title and Chapter numbers for the pattern, and I will take a look.

My 2910 has been very clean, with none of the bleeding colors you mention. But I will check.

The patterns are Title-12 Chapter-5 (and 6)

(I have only noticed bleeding on the patterns not on material.)

Thanks!
post #262 of 2968
Quote:


Originally posted by ac388
Hi bucky63,

However, what position did you leave the AI of AE500 on ? Also, did you notice whenever you use DVI input on AE500, the height of the picture shrink by about 1-2 in. on a 90" screen. However, the height is normal when using Component n Aux input. Did the same happen to you n is there any fix for that ???

Thanks again for your advice.




ac388,

Glad to hear your new cable fixed your problem.

I'm using my AE500 in "Low Lamp mode" because it is right above my head and I do not want to hear the fan. Picture is still bright and the blacks are acceptable to me. The little I played with AI I thought the blacks were better so I would use it if not for the louder fan. From what I remember, AI1 is for darker movies and AI2 is for lighter movies if that helps at all.

Yes, I notice the picture moving around the screen too using DVI with different DVDs. I adjust the picture position in the 2910's Picture Adj - Set menu to re-center the movie. I'm not sure what is going on there.

Does anyone know if DVDs are mastered differently when it come to the picture position inside the 720 by 480 bitmap and because we are viewing the whole picture, we are seeing this picture movement in the over-scan area?

I'll have to use AVIA's over-scan and pixel cropping display patterns a little more to try and understand what is happening.


By the way, I could play a VCD on my 2910, at least through S-video. I have not tried displaying a VCD using the DVI output yet. I might have had a audio delay problem playing the VCD but I don't know for sure without more testing.
post #263 of 2968
Quote:


Originally posted by Cecchine
Just got my 2910 and up and running DVI-1080I into a Sony GWIII. Picture outstanding when DVI cable direct into TV. But when I put it Thu my Geffen DVI 2x1 switcher no picture. Anyone have a idea?

I don't belive the Geffen DVI 2x1 switcher switches 1080i, try 480p.
post #264 of 2968
Quote:


Originally posted by salrmrcrey
Can anyone play VCD's on their 2910?

Cheers,

I have been able to play various VCDs as well as SVCDs without any problem on my 2910.

web
post #265 of 2968
Hi bucky63,

Thanks again for your advice, however, I did find the combination of 'Low lamp mode' on projector n 'Enhanced Black' on 2910 will make the picture a bit too dark for me n the white color will not stand out. Just a coincident, my projector is also right above my head on a shelf, but the noise did not bother me at all.




Quote:


Originally posted by bucky63
ac388,

Glad to hear your new cable fixed your problem.

I'm using my AE500 in "Low Lamp mode" because it is right above my head and I do not want to hear the fan. Picture is still bright and the blacks are acceptable to me. The little I played with AI I thought the blacks were better so I would use it if not for the louder fan. From what I remember, AI1 is for darker movies and AI2 is for lighter movies if that helps at all.

Yes, I notice the picture moving around the screen too using DVI with different DVDs. I adjust the picture position in the 2910's Picture Adj - Set menu to re-center the movie. I'm not sure what is going on there.

Does anyone know if DVDs are mastered differently when it come to the picture position inside the 720 by 480 bitmap and because we are viewing the whole picture, we are seeing this picture movement in the over-scan area?

I'll have to use AVIA's over-scan and pixel cropping display patterns a little more to try and understand what is happening.


By the way, I could play a VCD on my 2910, at least through S-video. I have not tried displaying a VCD using the DVI output yet. I might have had a audio delay problem playing the VCD but I don't know for sure without more testing.
post #266 of 2968
Quote:


Quote:


Originally posted by Cecchine
Just got my 2910 and up and running DVI-1080I into a Sony GWIII. Picture outstanding when DVI cable direct into TV. But when I put it Thu my Geffen DVI 2x1 switcher no picture. Anyone have a idea?

Originally posted by Badabbing
I don't belive the Geffen DVI 2x1 switcher switches 1080i, try 480p.

Well, according to their website it can pass up to 1080p, so it would likely be something like cable length, or a bad cable.
post #267 of 2968
Quote:


Originally posted by Brett Miles
Now that I think I've gotten my 2910 set up to acceptable levels (connected to Mitsubishi 48413 via DVI @ 1080i), I attemted some viewing tests this morning. On the Matrix: Reloaded around the 11:30 mark (after Link says "He's doing his Superman thing.") the scene switches to some clouds. There is some very noticable blocking and general splochiness here. There was one white cloud toward the bottom middle of the frame that even looks striped for several frames. It's not as bad at 480p or on my old non-progressive Sony 530 but still somewhat splotchy. Now I know things like fog and clouds are hard for encoding anyway. Am I seeing "the bug" here or just a problem spot on the disc?

No one has any input on this? I also noticed a problem on Batman: The Animated Series vol. 1. Yesterday I watched the first episode ("Forgotten")on disc 2. It had a lot of pink boxes/splotching in the scene where Bruce Wayne first wakes up after being captured by the bad guys. Same thing when the big, fat boss is introduced in the shadowed areas of his white suit. Again, is this just bad compression, or the bug, or both?
post #268 of 2968
Quote:


Originally posted by krisjon
After updating with the region free firmware, my version is:

ESS 6720-4, Make day 831, DRV 030825, System 6768-2, DSP 6770

Sadly, after updating with this firmware, I still have banding/noise/macroblocking all over the place so I guess it's a hardware problem. Looks like this one is going back...

What is your original firmware version before making the update?
post #269 of 2968
I have just purchased a Denon 2910. My initial impressions are not that positive. My set is a Toshiba 50HX81 that has been ISF calibrated. I have the HD Tivo and and a Sony NS700P DVD player and they both look fantastic on this set. I felt it was time to upgrade and based on the comments here I chose the Denon. I have both DVD players hooked to a Zektor HDS4.2 component switch using the same brand of component cables so I have been able to do an A-B comparison with both playing the same dvd. Terminator 3, since I have two copies and it has an excellent picture. The Denon looks terrible, very washed out and no blacks. I went into the picture adjustments and did an initial tweaking. The picture is mildly better but the blacks are still bad. Tomorrow I will use the Avia disc and see if that helps. I can't very well play with the Toshiba's settings as it has already been calibrated. I think it is ridiculous that this player would be so out of whack from the factory. Is this typical of the 2910? Thank you.


James
post #270 of 2968
Quote:


Originally posted by avsnovis
I tried a couple of VCD's on mine, but it wouldn't play them. The icon "VCD" shows up on the player's display, but the the picture shows up garbled and keeps scrolling. In fact, the menu itself gets messed up, till I put in a DVD! I tried various modes (1080i, 480p) and also tried it thru' S-Video, but with no luck. BTW, these VCD's play fine on my old DVD player. Definitely seems a like a bug on the 2910.

When that happens try stopping the VCD, hit the NTSC/PAL button on the remote, play and see if that fixes your problem. ..
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