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post #61 of 4424
That is great news! The AVLP2 more than meets my requirements. Now I just have to wait for U.S. introduction...

I wonder if the sometimes jerky video noted earlier can be attributed to the the checked boxes, thus using PC installed codecs in lieu of the AVLP2 hardware? That problem still has not returned?
post #62 of 4424
Wow - this player is starting to sound pretty amazing! I was considering putting together an HTPC at some considerable expense and this sounds like a wonderful alternative, even if the WMV format is doomed to obsolescence (we'll see about that in the next couple of years I guess). Thanks to TUFU and JensH for reporting on their experiences and for working out some of the bugs ahead of time for us
post #63 of 4424
TUFU, could you express an opinion about the quality of component video outputs? How badly does the component video quality suffer in comparison to DVI? The U.S. spec version of AVLP2 doesn't have DVI, but I-O Data starts accepting pre-orders on November 1.
post #64 of 4424
Tom,

I think in the other thread titled "network DVD players" someone received an email from iodata stating that the DVI-Wifi version will launch in the USA a bit after (month or two?) the Component/Non-Wifi version. So you will have to wait till around the new year (just a total guess) if you must have DVI.

Since TUFU determined that you can do the video decoding on the PC, I wonder how the video frames get transferred to the Linkplayer2. I looks like on the PC the video was getting decoded at a lower resolution than on the DVD player itself. What I am getting at is what if the PC is set to decode to the same resolution that the DVD player would decode to? Then perhaps you would get an equivalent video quality. That of course leads to potential tweaks to make decoding on the PC look superior to decoding on the DVD player. Or does the DVD player take the video frames and manipulate them somehow.

Lots to play around with once more people get their hands on some units.

Ricardo
post #65 of 4424
Thanks RicardoD, but that's not quite what I'm asking TUFU about. I want to know about the degradation of the component video image quality compared to DVI on his AVLP2.

That's a separate question from the one you are raising, and I think TUFU answered previously, regarding image degradation from using a Codec on the PC, versus hardware decoding within the AVLP2, as demonstrated with his pictures. In other words, the theory has been postulated that depending on the state of the checkboxes in the network configuration, the ethernet data stream might either be file data, or frame data. His conclusion was that file data, hardware-decoded by the Sigma EM8620L (presumably) yields a better result than frame data submitted by the PC codec, (if that's what's happening.)
post #66 of 4424
If the component video output quality is decent, I want to go ahead and move on this without further ado. I ask because the component video output quality on the Momitsu V880 was said to be sub-par.

If it's okay on the AVLP2 (without DVI), when the AVLP2 (with DVI and WiFi) comes out I'll get that one too.

I can't hurry fast enough to dump the HTPC, what a pain.
post #67 of 4424
Quote:
Originally posted by Tom Roper
If the component video output quality is decent, I want to go ahead and move on this without further ado. I ask because the component video output quality on the Momitsu V880 was said to be sub-par.



Oddly enough though, the RGBHV output on the V880 was as good as the DVI. Perhaps it has something to do with the chipset.

Of course that won't be an option until the DVI is available on the 2nd vers (if it all), so it's a mute point anyway on this player.
post #68 of 4424
If this players server software is like some of the older Sigma based players (like Showcenter) non-supported codecs are transcoded on the fly to a preferred supported codec. If for some reason the Advanced setting makes it examine the WMVHD stream in detail to decide if it needs to convert to some other codec his laptop would definitely be underpowered to do that in real time (1.4GHZ Pentium M). Microsoft specs require min of 2.4GHZ for WMVHD 720p and 3GHZ for 1080p.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...hoosingPC.aspx
post #69 of 4424
Tom,

Ok, I get it now. I have my wife just about talked into letting me preorder this sucker on Nov 1st. As my library of recorded shows on my PC grows her inability to watch them while resting on the couch is motivation to get this baby. All I can compare this against is my trusty Panasonic RP56 with recently upgraded firmware. My component outputs feed into to a component to RGBHV (VGA) converter box. Thats what feeds both my projector and RPTV. It would suck if my regular DVD playback takes a hit due to crappy component outputs and deinterlacing chip.

Ricardo
post #70 of 4424
Quote:
Originally posted by RicardoD
It would suck if my regular DVD playback takes a hit due to crappy component outputs and deinterlacing chip.

Ricardo

Exactly. The Sigma chips seem to be fairly well regarded as mpeg decoders, and okay for deinterlacing most properly flagged movies, as I recall. But the analog frequency response of the V880 was very bad on the Secrets Benchmark tests, although not so bad at all on the Bravo D3 which I think uses the same Sigma decoder. So I'm not sure if mentioning Momitsu is even relevant (TUFU did first ), because the analog stage is what counts.

At least you have the RP56 as a fallback position for NTSC-DVD viewing, and so do I, the RP82.
post #71 of 4424
We were discussing this player at doom. I have seen the IO DATA spec sheet, but it provides very little info. I would like to know the following:

1) Does it support OpenDML avi (avi>2gig)? (I guess not)

2) Does it support AVI + AC3? (I guess not)

3) Does it support AVI + AAC? (I guess not)

4) Does it support MPEG2 + AAC? (I guess so)

5) Does it support OGM (DivX/XviD with 5.1 ogg)? (I guess so)

6) Does it support OGM (DivX/XviD with 5.1 AAC)? (I guess so)

7) Does it support OGM (DivX/XviD with 5.1 ogg/AAC and srt)? (I guess so)

Thanks!
post #72 of 4424
can I add a few extra question

8) Will it play 1080i .ts file with dd5.1 through the internal dvd-rom?

9) Will it output this through dvi, or as I think i'm reading, will nothing played from the internal dvd-rom output via dvi?

10) I'm currently watching them through HTPC via dvi - is component output gonna be noticably poorer?

Thanks for any help

Steve
post #73 of 4424
My bet is that most of us with TS files will transcode them into WMV-HD or DIVX-HD to save space and we already know that it will play those. I haven't seen anything about it supporting .TS files directly but since they are MPEG2 compressed maybe they will show up eventually as supported files.
post #74 of 4424
I'm very interested in this player, the KISS 600, or any other network DVD w/ WMV9 potential. From a glance it seems this one will not do internet radio? I love the fact that they support Mac for the server, but does anyone know how it integrates w/ iTunes? If I could use my iTunes playlists & also access internet radio, this would be perfect. Also, I see the Japanese version has english & Japanese menus. If someone could figure out how to change the region code of that model so I could play USA discs, I would try to find a way to buy one now. PM me if you have one to sell! I want to start experimenting. Also, anyone know anything more about the KISS model? If you do, perhaps another post on that one, or contribute to mallu2u's post about all of these networked DVDs here
post #75 of 4424
Thread Starter 
Hi TOM,

I also think the component output of V880 is a sub-par comparing to DVI
output. I had not test the component vs DVI in AVLP2.Maybe I can test
it in recent 2 days if time available.

When I first encountered the problem in playing DIVX HD,I think
whether it is a bug that can be fixed by firmware upgrade
just like the stuttering or lag occurring during playing WMVHD before upgrade.
In Divx's website,it suggested at least 2.4G,384 RaM,and 64MB VIDEO RAM
(same as the requirement for WMV9) to play DIVX HD film. So I think maybe my notebook is not powerful enough to play DIVX HD.
My notebook can play 720P WMVHD flawlessly
but when I check the item in AVEL LINK software to use the PC to decode
the film, I still got poor picture via ethernet to AVLP2.
Does this mean AVLP2 does something different when receiving the decoded film or file sent to it?
Someone told me that the player will down sacle the
film sent to it to 640x480 then upsale it again. If this is true,then
a powerful PC will not be helpful.
If I have a powerful PC,then I can test whether a powerful PC with
decoded film sent to AVLP2 via ethernet can have a similar picture
quality as the non-decoded file.

To Wilbert,
I am not familiar with the codecs things and do a little about transcoding
the video or audio.I only installed K-lite mega codec pack in my PC
and used HT MPEGENCODER Proauthor to do a few transcoding.
In the specification of the player listed the supported audio included:
MP3,MP2,OGG,WAV,AAC,WMA,M4A,ASF,and supported videoAT,MPG,MPEG,M2V,AVI,MOV,MP4,M2P,WMV.
So.I don't known which combinations you listed would
be played by this player.At least,it is possible that your PC can do the
whole things and sent it to AVLP2 with possible degradation in picture quality.Or,you can teach me how to test and make those files you listed.

To scwheeler,
One of my friend sent me several mpg files recored in DVD-R which were
converted from 1080i TS stream.When I placed it in DVD-ROM and tried to
played it,I only got "Encrypted mpeg file" warning.I don't know how is
the mpg file converted by my friend.But,I used HDTVTOMPEG2 to convert the mpg file once more,the file now can play well in AVLP2.
But curiously,there were 2 mpg files larger than 4G can not be converted
by HDTVTOMPEGG2,and all I can do is use software to split the files to 2 small part,then it's ok to convert and play.

To mikemav,
AVLP2 did not have internet radio,itune or navigation to internet.
V880 seemed to have above functions,I'm not sure.
Also,the Japanese model did not have English menus.There is a item
choosing for English but not for setup menus.Anyway,there are no prblems
to show the names of your file or directory in English.
post #76 of 4424
Thread Starter 
It can get DVI output from its DVD-ROM except DVD-VIDEO.
So,you can burn mpg,avi et. files to DVD-R and played it in AVLP2 via DVI.
post #77 of 4424
Hi TUFU and all,

I got an AVLP2 myself very recently.
I am currently living in Tokyo and bought it before moving to Canada early next year.
From the few DVDs I have played on it, I can select up to 1080i thru component (D4 to Component cable) if the DVD is one of my own backup DVDs...
I will try more during the next days to come, including DVI output. So far, the image quality is awesome. I still own a Denon 2900, and I do not see much difference yet.
I am not a "video specialist", but if I can be of some help, I will do my best to report how this amazingly interesting machine works.

Arrius
post #78 of 4424
There is some new information on the US version of the IODATA Linkplayer2 DVDLA at iodata's US website:

http://www.iodata.com/usa/products/p...=AVLP2%2FDVDLA

It states you can pre-order starting November 1st. Today is Nov 1st and I haven't figured out how to pre-order. However if you read the new US focused content you will see that the webpage was definitely constructed by a non-native English speaker. It has that sort of "Japanglish" feel that can be construed as slightely humorous. Perhaps "pre-order" just means you can put the product in your shopping cart but can't check out. The US manual is also available for download.

Anybody else figure out how to preorder?

The site also cleary states the DVI / WiFi US version will be available in 2005.

Arrius, thanks for your impressions, please keep sharing.

All the best,
Ricardo
post #79 of 4424
Also tried to preorder on the website with no luck. Guess I'll be checking this forum and the I-O Data website daily for updates.
post #80 of 4424
Quote:


Originally posted by RicardoD
The site also cleary states the DVI / WiFi US version will be available in 2005.

I can't find this on the site, but that's good news if it's true. I can't wait for the DVI version to become available here
post #81 of 4424
I think this is where, but is not updated as of 11-02-04

Hope this helps.
Jedillwag
post #82 of 4424
Dolfo,

There is a question in the iodata Q&A section as follows:

Quote:


Which one is released in USA/Canada?
Our 1st product should be AVLP2/DVDLA. The different spec points are no WiFi and no DVI from AVLP2/DVDG (Japanese Version). WiFi version will be our 2nd model of 2005.

All the best,
Ricardo
post #83 of 4424
Dear Thomas,

Thank you for the message.
And we apologize your frustration...
Actually our manufacturing schedule was pretty delayed. But we can
announce to start pre-ordering today or tomorrow. I'll let you know soon.
Thank you very much for waiting.

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:49:39 -0800
"Thomas Roper" wrote:

> Name Thomas Roper
> City Aurora
> State CO
> Country United States of America
> Referer Other
> Inquiry Type - AVeL LinkPlayer
> Where you purchased the product
> Invoice# / Web Order ID
> Message
> It's November 1 everywhere.How do I pre-order the AVLP2 LinkPlayer?
> View Database Entry

Best Regards,
Mitsuo Jack Akita

P.S.
I-O DATA launches an online shopping web site: http://shop.iodata.com/
post #84 of 4424
Just got an email from iodata.

Pre-ordering is now available. They directed me to this link:

http://www.iodata.com/usa/news/cultu...33&ts=4&tsc=23

Too bad their IP filter blocks me from doing this from work, the filter thinks I am outside the US.

All the best,
Ricardo
post #85 of 4424
Thanks...I just ordered one.

Now the waiting after the wait begins...

Am I customer #1 ?
post #86 of 4424
Today's News:
http://www.iodata.com/usa/news/cultu...33&ts=4&tsc=23

[1] "AVeL LinkPlayer" Pre-Order Start!
Today, we have starts the pre-ordering for AVLP2/DVDLA. The 1st shipping
has just limited quantity, therefore, USA regidence customers only can
buy them on our online web site. The shipping will arrive on the mid of
November 2004.

[2] "FAQ" & "Compare" pages are opened
And you better check these sites before purchasing. Try to check FAQ and
Compare lists. We don't want you to make any misunderstanding before.

Thank you very much for choosing I-O DATA LinkPlayer!


If you don't want anymore this e-news, please let us know.
--
INFO

Guess I better go read FAQ and Compare sections (since I've already purchased...Lol)
post #87 of 4424
Quote:


Originally posted by RicardoD
Dolfo,

There is a question in the iodata Q&A section as follows:



All the best,
Ricardo

Ah, yes - there it is. Can't wait!
post #88 of 4424
this is not wireless version, right?
post #89 of 4424
ordered it!
post #90 of 4424
Hi TUFU and others,

Over the next few days I will try and post links to some HD encodes you can try.

Don't get too excited though as they will only be "test cards"


Cheers
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