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post #2551 of 2643
I am getting KRCR (7.1, 7.2, 7.3) on real channel 34 here in Oroville. What exact transmitter am I looking at?
post #2552 of 2643

It is the UHF (34) transmitter that is with the VHF(07) transmitter atop of Bally.
 

post #2553 of 2643

I've been noticing that during the KRCR nightly news, there are lots of blanking (where there are  flashs of black).  Is anyone else noticing this?

post #2554 of 2643
Yea, I have noticed it also. What I really notice is that every weekend, the ABC News at 6:00 is always in SD. Must be the weekend part timers in switching haven't been trained in the art of HD.
Ed
post #2555 of 2643
post #2556 of 2643
The first 18 minutes of the preseason football game on KHSL last night was SD. It then switched to HD. I hope these problems get resolved before the regular season starts, but I dought that they will.

Mike
post #2557 of 2643
KNVN broadcast an infomercial instead of the network news. No class at all!!

Mike
post #2558 of 2643
Does anyone know why 12 & 24 were off the air durring the game last night?

Mike
post #2559 of 2643
I noticed that too. Very frustrating watching 60 minutes. At least Linda Watkins-Bennett still fills my screen at noon! smile.gif
post #2560 of 2643
Hey guys, I'm new to the redding area and I am very confused with my fox station that I am picking up from my antenna. I am getting fox from channel 38 but everything that I check says that I should be getting fox from channel 20. The picture is terrible and I was hoping that picking up the correct fox station would make it a little better. Any help is greatly appreciated smile.gif
post #2561 of 2643
Check antennaweb.org or tvfool.com to see what stations cover your area.
post #2562 of 2643
KVCU from Paradise operates an analog translator on UHF channel 38 (K38FQ) in the Redding area. That is what you're picking up.
post #2563 of 2643
Thanks for the replies guys. It appears that I am receiving the channel from the paradise area. Does that mean that I cannot recieve channel 20? according to every map that I have checked it appears I should be within range. Does it tend to have a week signal? Thanks
post #2564 of 2643
If you're receiving channel 38, you're receiving the local analog translator, not the Paradise digital main signal.
post #2565 of 2643
I've noticed that KHSL is broadcasting the CW network in a wide screen format. Does anyone know what the resolutions of 12-1 and 12-2 are now?
post #2566 of 2643
12-1 is 1080i
12-2 is 720p
post #2567 of 2643
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Originally Posted by mikemaxj View Post

I've noticed that KHSL is broadcasting the CW network in a wide screen format. Does anyone know what the resolutions of 12-1 and 12-2 are now?

I am getting:

 

12-1 KSHL - 1080/60i - channel 43  Cohassit

12-2 CW-1 - 720/60p - channel 43 Cohassit

 

12-1  KHSL - 1080/60i - channel 36 South Fork

12-2 CW-1 -  720/60p - channel 36 South Fork

 

Dish Network has not added the HD CW yet.  What is Direct TV, Charter, & Comcast doing?

post #2568 of 2643
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Originally Posted by blastoff View Post

Dish Network has not added the HD CW yet.  What is Direct TV, Charter, & Comcast doing?

DirecTV broadcasts the CW from Reno in SD.
post #2569 of 2643
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Originally Posted by blastoff View Post


Dish Network has not added the HD CW yet.  What is Direct TV, Charter, & Comcast doing?

Comcast has KHSLDT2 encrypted. I see the HD programming on the EPG on WMC. It's still SD on the box. I'd imagine when they do add it, it will be channel 710.
post #2570 of 2643

I took a look at the bandwidth that KHSL is now using as compared to the bandwidth of the other local HD channels.  I recall that KHSL 12-01 was running around 13 Mbps or a little more.  Now it is sliding around 11 or a little less.  For an MPEG 2 transmission will there be more compression issues?  Before lowering the bandwidth, when watching sport events or, "The Price is Right," with motion there is bouts of macro blocking.  The bandwidth reduction is to accommodate CW-10 using 720p is running only around 7.5 Mbps. I would think that compression problems will increase on 12-1.  I think it is great that CW-10 is in HD and I think that it will get more local viewers.  However while the HD quality looks fair, I'm seeing softness on both 12-1 and 12-2.  I don't have anything to compare the quality of CW-10 in HD, I guess time will tell.

 

KSHL uses the 1080i format.  KHSL bandwidth is now about the same as KRCR (that is 720p which has less compression issues at that resolution), while KCVU and KIXE are both 720p they are running around 13 Mbps for the main HD channels.

 

The bandwidth allocations for OTA TV stations would prove better quality if there allocation for bandwidth is increased to 25 instead of the current19. but The need to clip bandwidth for emergency services prohibits any increase.

 

I use broadband for streaming HD quality content on occasion.  I have to say that the quality is better than OTA but there is a price to pay.  I have a cap on  broadband bandwidth and the service it isn't free.  It costs to have the bandwidth and usually costs to obtain the programming.  So OTA may continue to reduce bandwidth to the point of no return just to provide more programming and sub-channels.

 

If you make any observations about the quality of 12-01 and 12-2, your opinions are most welcome.

post #2571 of 2643
Nice post John,
Do you know what the bandwith of 12-1 is on Satellite? I think the providers get their feeds direct from KHSL bypassing the OTA reduction. If they get a pure feed then Satallite may prove to be better PQ.
post #2572 of 2643

Redding Delivery,

 

I do not know how dish up-links 12-1. The KRCR uplink is from the transmitter, I think UHF 34.  It supplies that bit rate. I have compared OTA channels against Dish Satellite channels. The quality is the same with macro blocking during motion on both KNVN and KHSL. I don't have a program that will show satellite bit rates.  I know Dish uses MPEG4 and they really compress the signals so ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, & PBS come off the same spotbeam.  They do an excellent job with the compression and decompression most of the time.  I have never seen satellite network quality worse than OTA. If CW-10 gets added to the spotbeam then quality might get worse.  I know that other markets carry all the networks plus CW and My in HD with the same bandwidth per spotbeam. I do not know if quality is a problem.

post #2573 of 2643
I have not been able to watch K42HL-D for several days now (I cannot get KHSL nor KNVN directly here) and I was wondering if anyone has an update on what is going on on Bloomer Mtn. Does anyone have any info?
post #2574 of 2643
Quote:
Originally Posted by N6ULO View Post

I have not been able to watch K42HL-D for several days now (I cannot get KHSL nor KNVN directly here) and I was wondering if anyone has an update on what is going on on Bloomer Mtn. Does anyone have any info?

N6ULO,

 

Have your channels returned? 

post #2575 of 2643
I compaired two clips (OTA) of the Big Bang Theorys' theme song/timeline segment. The old bitrate was about 13.2 mbps and the new bitrate is about 10.8 mbps.

To me the new looks better than the old maybe because old bitrate was CBR and new is VBR. KNVN still uses CBR.

Old clip: http://www.mediafire.com/?taorhl5io1z3vwt
New clip: http://www.mediafire.com/?08cttopv88ecrd0

BTW: Is there a way to upload videos on this site?
post #2576 of 2643
John,

I can detect the channel and decode 12.3, 12.4, 24.3, 24.4 and 24.6, but no picture or sound on my computer's TV tuner. One of my sets, a Samsung, can receive all channels normally. I have two others that cannot. I cannot figure out why this is the case, as I used to be able to watch these channels on every TV in the house. confused.gif
post #2577 of 2643

N6ULO,

 

It sounds like the LP transmitter my have some bad data in the mix.  If you can find out who is responsible for it and contact them to describe the problem, they may be able to reset their equipment, hopefully fixing the problem.

post #2578 of 2643
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chas Hart View Post

I compaired two clips (OTA) of the Big Bang Theorys' theme song/timeline segment. The old bitrate was about 13.2 mbps and the new bitrate is about 10.8 mbps.

To me the new looks better than the old maybe because old bitrate was CBR and new is VBR. KNVN still uses CBR.

Old clip: http://www.mediafire.com/?taorhl5io1z3vwt
New clip: http://www.mediafire.com/?08cttopv88ecrd0

BTW: Is there a way to upload videos on this site?

I tried opening your clips.  No luck.  Having watched some CW HD programming, the HD quality is very good.  When it comes to the sliding bitrates, I have to admit, I don't see any improvement or worsening of 12-1.  I saw the new Ultra HD HDTV on a CES blip.  How on earth can any OTA TV station provide UHD?

post #2579 of 2643
Quote:
Originally Posted by blastoff View Post

N6ULO,

It sounds like the LP transmitter my have some bad data in the mix.  If you can find out who is responsible for it and contact them to describe the problem, they may be able to reset their equipment, hopefully fixing the problem.

I just got the signal back for 12.3, 12.4, 24.3, 24.4, 24.6 today smile.gif as of 8:25 pm it is fine for all channels.



Ken
post #2580 of 2643
Quote:
Originally Posted by AKAWalrus View Post

It looks like the KRCR/KCVU duopoly is official. More amateurish, bland television in the Chico market.

http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/61522/bonten-creates-duopolies-in-2-calif-markets
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/bonten-media-esteem-broadcasting-acquire-stations-from-sainte-partners_b57100

All they need to do now is convert analog channel 8 in Oroville to digital.
Edited by N6ULO - 1/15/13 at 8:44pm
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