Harlingen, TX - HDTV - Page 21

OK, I will l be honest with you guys, I really don't know much about this, that is why I just lurk, but I made contact with some one at XHRIO and they told me that Mundo FOX will be at 2.1 and FOX is on 67.1 and that will be the new FOX for the RVG, but like some of you I can't get 67.1 on my digital converter box, I live down in Matamoros so thats even harder to get a signal, I also for some reason got 2 FOX channels on 2.1, one with a 50% strength and the other around 25% maybe the one with 25% will be the new FOX for us down here, but I really have no idea what is going on and what is gonna happen on Monday. Sorry for the misspells.

Well KFXV is supposed to have a tranlator in Brownsville on 20.1, I think that's their justification for allowing it to be on a low power station.

Id applaud the move if 67 was full power or looking to become full power. I guess the fact that it is available in SD and HD on Cable and both Satellite providers down here is good enough. I wonder if we'll see Dish and DirecTV move Fox from channel 2 to 67? Dish already changed the calls from XHRIO to KFXV but left it on 2.


You know. This such a major move for the only news to be coming in throught the grapevine and speculation.

I guess because 67 has been airing Fox for so long they just figured no one would mind. I guess they are looking it us with the mindset that any programing in Spanish is first and foremost. Its a fair approach to take, especially since XHRIO is a Mexican station.



Well here's a positive way of looking at it: this is the first time the RGV's Fox station is of American origin with American call letters and absolutely no Mexican ties other than 1 sister station.

just got home from work


2.1 is still the "test signal" for Mundo Fox.....a black guy and a mexican chick are making out....what a lovely channel.

That made me laugh. I guess one positive is that it's in HD unlike some other markets.

From KFXV's Twitter: https://twitter.com/foxrio2


And there it is. The most anti climactic announcement.

Well I just emailed Zap2it.com


If you look at their listings they already updated DirecTV's listings to show channel 2 as KFXV.

For some reason on the SD version of the channel they made the calls KFXVSD instead of KFXVLP or just flat out KFXV.

Dish Network wasn't updated and the HD channel was showing MundoFox listings because of it. I told them those listings need to be identical to DirecTV's.

Time Warner Cable hadn't been updated either but for those the only thing wrong is the calls. Either way I told them.


I also tried to get them to clean up the whole KFXVLD2 and KCWTLD (I know it's supposed to be CA but they have it listed as LD) stuff too.


I hope they respond and get it done. I emailed an employee directly. She got a lot of things updated early in summer and then she stopped communicating.



Also looks like wikipedia was updated to reflect XHRIO as MundoFox and KFXV as FOX. Things can still change but looks like it is what it is.

Got this tweet from KFXV.

So KFXV is located on channel 67 OTA, 6 and 870 on cable but they will remain branded as FOX 2.


Is this the first time ever that an OTA channel's branding matched it's location on satellite systems better than it does OTA?

I know KCWT was branded after it's location on Time Warner Cable, I'm literally talking about DBS.


That just sounds ridiculous.

I can't get a signal for 67.1 I have moved my antenna and got nothing, in fact I lost the 48's, so I will have to move it back to where it was. Lets see how soon people from Brownsville start to complain about not getting their beloved Cowboys games, good thing I'm not a fan of them, Entravision needs to get their stuff together they are all over the place.

KXFX-LD on channel 20.1 is supposed to be a KFXV translator in Brownsville. It's listed on their Station ID bumps as such.

It looks like RabbitEars.Info listed it as off the air and it looks like they have now updated their info to show that particular station also displaying as 67.1 but still off the air. It has been my guess that it would go live on Monday. I guess we'll see. Trip do you have any info on that you can pass along?


I guess my prediction that they would use 2 low powered stations to do the job of 1 full power station was somewhat accurate. Previously rabbitears.info said it as on RF 20 and displaying as 20. The KFXV bumps confirmed that. I like that they are going ahead and displaying that as 67. It will give it the illusion of being a full power station. If you are using a TiVo, the box will load the info for KFXV and since both stations have the same RF and PSIP channel there should be no issues at all....well other than the fact that zap2it.com still hasn't fixed the issue was 67.2.


So all of that takes care of Brownsville people. All their tweets and facebook messages have all said to just be patient with them during the transition. I guess these are the people they were talking to since the rest of us can get it.

My advice to anyone who can't pull the station in would be to determine if your antenna is powerful enough to pull in the signal and then decide if it's worth the cost of upgrading. Use RabbitEars.info and AntennaWeb.org to see where you fit within the coverage maps and what the best option is for you. I know I'm preaching to the choir with this but I feel like it's a good time to remind people as well as put that out there for lurkers and non members who may not know as much as the rest of us.


As for KNVO. I've notice my signal getting weaker and weaker progressively as time has gone on. Back in 2008 I could pull it down with signal strength in 90s and now I'm luck to get it in 70s with the exact same antenna. I know different brands of TV and Set Top Box measure on different scales but...that's kinda large difference.

I've got nothing.

- Trip

So we've only briefly touched on KCWT. My bet was that it would go live Monday but.....


When I look at all the FCC Query's and Correspondence.....The digital station doesn't look licensed or have an application or a special temporary authority. Just a construction permit from 2009 that won't expire for another 2 years. They can't broadcast on that can they?


I guess my point is the paperwork doesn't appear to be there for the digital feed to flip on unless the paperwork just isn't posted online.

No KFXV issues in Harlingen. Everything is smooth and on the air with no problems.

KFXV's website, facebook and twitter are trying to do damage control. I'm guessing KXFX hasn't gone on the air yet and with no translator in Brownsville, they are having to cover their asses against the many people down there who still don't have Fox since the change. They said it'll be fixed in 24 hours.

After playing around with rabbitears.info's little coverage maps I came up with this.


http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1367188&map=N&contour=Y&pop=N&incpop=&excpop=&lprw=N&head=Y&asrn=&extras=1304556%2C+1496300&cir=&circen=26.0883333333%2C-98.0622222222


The small circle on the left is KFXV's coverage area and the smaller on the right is KXFX's coverage. They are encircled by XHRIO's coverage area.

Based on the map it would appear that on paper using these 2 station to replace the 1 full power station is an acceptable plan. The problem is being that both are low powered, you would likely need to upgrade your antenna in order to pull something in and unfortunately. That's a detail I don't think a lot of people are gonna understand. It's pretty clear especially after applying Longley-Rice to the map.

I now have two channels coming in as 67-1. One comes in as KFXV-DT and the other as FOXHD. It appears the one labeled as FOXHD is from KTFV as it's on RF48. I also noticed Telefutura 32-1 is no longer in HD. I wonder if this is temporary or if this was the fix they were talking about for Cameron County?

Whoa...that's kinda out of left field.

What's weird is that in Harlingen I've never been able to get 32.1. Even with my outdoor antenna in the attic I haven't been able to pull it in. I would imagine it's a temporary fix.

I usually have trouble with KTFV at night and early in the morning. I think there's a station in Monterrey also on RF48 that clobbers it. And the same thing happens with KGBT on RF31 sometimes.

So, I did a rescan and I did picked up 67.1 and 32.1 but, and is a big but, only at 28% of signal at best which is like 1 millisecond and can only see about that time an image then is goes black or the pixels get all mixed and just gives a mosaic of colors. Which means it most be KFXV down by McAllen and not the one in Brownsville I would try and move the antenna, but I will wait until the weekend and see if the antenna in Brownsville starts to work for the lower valley.

Guess my antenna is good even if I'm out of the range of the signal to pull it in, from what I can see from Vikmars maps. Or they made the signal stronger from whats in their documents at this time on the internet.

Well I did a rescan using my most basic antenna straight to my TV with no dish or tivo boxes and this is what I came up with:


I was able to pull in 32.1 and the 67.1 labled FoxHD.

I was also able to get a very very weak signal on 67.1 and 67.2 labled KFXV-DT. I can verify I've NEVER been able to pull in KFXV in any way using this antenna.


Silverthree suggested in a PM to me that KFXV's signal has been boosted as well. I'm thinking that might be the case.

I just don't understand using KTFV's RF channel to send out both 32.1 and a 67.1 translator. Is it like 32.1 is on RF 48.1 and 67.1 is on RF 48.2? Can they do that?

If they can do that couldnt they just move KFXV to 2.2 and label it 67.1? I know it's not idea to have 2 HD feeds on 1 transmitter but....ah hell I don't know anymore. There are so many things they could have done before hand instead of what they are doing now. Like have KXFX ready to go. Announced MundoFox would be the sole resident of channel 2 so that viewers could be better prepared to make the necessary adjustments to continue watching Fox.



SO here's the other thing I thought of in all this. Before all these changes was KFXV always labeled as KFXV-DT? I don't recall that being the case and I thought that was interesting since it's an LD, not a DT. Is that an indication they are planning on going full power at some point? Certainly their signal does seem boosted. What I really wanna do is ask my step dad if I can plug his antenna straight into his TV and see what happens. I don't know if he'll go for it though. He knows I like experimenting and playing around with these sorts of things and he doesn't really like it. He doesn't like me messing with things. I guess he thinks I might mess something up. I don't question it because it's his house and his stuff and I want to respect that. Also the way he has his things set up, the antenna coaxial may not even reach his TV. His dish box is hidden in a corner away from the TV.

gbp316: It looks like you picked up KTFV if you picked up 32.1 and 67.1. If it was KFXV you would have picked up 67.2 as well.

vikmars: I think 67.1 FoxHD is on RF48.2. And yes KFXV has been labeled as DT ever since they fixed the PSIP to reflect the new call letters. In fact I think it was labeled DT even when it was KSFE. I think it's just a "typo" on their part. Meanwhile XHRIO still comes out as FOXHD. They need to fix that.

Just what are you on anyway? Get a clue. The Mexican have destroyed every single football season I can remember with their constant outages. FOX carries the NFC games you know including the beloved favorite Cowboys. They have never not ruined a broadcast. FOX paid good money to the Mexicans in outsourcing. What did they get over the last 5 years? Absolutely noting. They got TV that was down more than it was up even though the Mexicans had superior broadcast equipment. And what is "fair" about broadcasting Spanish language TV to America? Want Spanish language, then go to Mexico. There is no good reason why there is even one Spanish language broadcast in this entire country. Last time I checked 16 out of 23 channels were Spanish language. Spanish, really? And in America? FCC is not doing its job. All Spanish language TV should be jammed cause far as I'm concerned theirs is nothing but jamming of Americans anyway.

Sounds like someone needs a hug.


Lighten up dude, it's only TV. We are here discussing our pleasure/displeasure with the state of television in our quaint little market and you are coming in here making what appear to be prejudice and ignorant comments that seem to be a bit out of line.

We are in the Rio Grande Valley and we share a boarder with Mexico. We have roughly a 90% Hispanic population. When that happens the majority of our population will have tendency to speak Spanish. A lot of times as their primary language. If you don't like it that's just too damn bad. You don't have to live here and you certainly don't have to be in this particular thread. I mean that's a pretty good reason to have a Spanish language station in this country.

Hell, look it up. At the federal level English isn't our Official Language. English is our de facto National Language but only 28 states recognize it as the OFFICIAL language and like I said, the Federal Government doesn't even recognize it as official.

The person who really needs to get a clue is you. 16 Spanish Language channels? Well lets analyze that shall we:

Spanish Language:
KNVO 48.1
KNVO 48.3
KTFV 32.1 (translated on KNVO 48.2)
KTLM 40.1
KTLM 40.2
KTLM 40.4
KGBT 4.2
KGBT 4.3
KVEO 23.2
KLUJ 44.1
KMBH 38.2

KTLM 40.3, 40.5 and 40.6 aren't counted because they are infomercials and 2 radio stations respectively.

As compared to:
KGBT 4.1
KRGV 5.1
KRGV 5.2
KRGV 5.3
KFXV 67.1
KCWT 30 (Translated on KNVO 48.4 and KFXV 67.1)
KVEO 23.1
KMBH 38.1
KMBH 38.3
KLUJ 44.2
KLUJ 44.3
KLUJ 44.4
KLUJ 44.5

KRGV 5.4 isn't counted because it's a freaking weather radar.


I don't know. That sure does seem like more stations and subchannels are English to me. Oh sure they are roughly even but there are more English stations.


OH but of course, you are including Mexican stations.

Here's a hint: If a station has an X or an XH in front of the call letters it's a MEXICAN station and as a Mexican station of course it's gonna be in Spanish. I wouldn't expect anything less. The fact that XHRIO was used as an American station for so long was a major exception to the rule. Should we be allowed to see them here? I don't know. You probably have a point. Those are Mexican stations so they should be only viewable in Mexico. I'll give you that. But you know what? WHO THE **** CARES?

















In unrelated news:


Silverthree PM'd me with info that basically said KCWT isn't looking at going HD anytime soon....so that's a bummer. I guess the fact that the construction permit doesn't expire til 2015 is making them feel like they can take their sweet time. It's a shame really.

Alright Folks.


It would appear piggybacking off of KTFV's transmitter is a pretty permanent solution. From my location I have no way of possibly knowing if they did anything with KXFX or not.

2.1 has changed it's display name to MundoFOX


Here's the biggie. Whoever said we might see a 2.2. You were right. Foxsd is on 2.2 and just like it says, it's an SD translation of KFXV. When I tuned to it...it was postage stamped. The show on right now is already in SD show so I'm guessing they went with the letterboxed widescreen route.

These are their solutions.

If they could do all this crazy mumbo jumbo with PSIP like calling RF 48.2 PSIP 67.1 then why not do that with other stations?


Unless they are getting some sort of special permission and they aren't allowed to do it, I don't see why they couldn't they change 48.4 to display as 30.1 or why XHRIO's original HD signal had to be 48.3 and not 2.1 and so forth.


The way Entravision chooses to operate around here is confusing enough as it is. At least with the KTFV thing they made it 67.1 to help out the already confused and frustrated viewers of the Valley.

I don't know why they didn't put Fox on 2.2 in the first place. At the moment I'm back to picking up Fox on three channels.

It was the obvious thing to do in the first place.

Well I have to reposition it, but using my most basic indoor antenna I get 67.1 perfectly. Both RF 20 and 48. Plus 2.2 so I too get Fox from 3 different sources now. I guess KFXV did boost their signal.


Well that just about does it for me. I move back to Huntsville tomorrow and so I won't be able to monitor things anymore. Its back to Houston locals for me!






Ps Notanymore: 2, 7, 9 and 54 are Mexican stations that's why they were left out. Like you said, you don't see a mexican station showing english programming. They may serve us but they are mexican in origin. By your logic they should be jammed. You counting them is hypocritial.

2.2 is in 16:9 format now. The score on last night's football game was cut off. Not the case with tonight's game.

Why don't they just make 2.2 720p and call it a day and have 2 HD signals on XHRIO?

what the ?

cbs [time warner channel 4-1]
is not very HD today
anyone know what the deal is ?

thanks

An idea that i really like for RGV TV, branding wise.

1. Have "Fox 2" rebranded as "FOX 67" and move the channel on satellite systems to channel 67.
2. Have XHRIO change it's calls as XHMFX (XH Mundo FoX, although that is not necessary).
3. Include XHRIO (or XHMFX) on satellite systems on channel 2, Time Warner Cable on channel 17 (I think that channel airs what used to be RGCN 12 but has been constanly been off air)
4. Have the CW 21 rebrand as CW 30 (or maybe The CW 30/21 or maybe CW 30 cable 21)

I even made a custom logo in the event that Fox 2 actually rebrands their channel. What do you think?

cheering: KGBT posted on their website that they were waiting for an HD router to come in. They expected to have it fixed by today (Tuesday). I don't think that happened.

noeDTV: that's a cool logo.

Regarding XHRIO, they have been having issues with their signal for quite a few days. Everything would be fine and then all of a sudden the picture would get all distorted. I was picking up a blank signal on 2.1 and 2.2 yesterday but today no signal at all.