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post #1081 of 1154
9/15/09 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by DESERT_SAND View Post

I'm also a first time poster and we live just north of Columbia. We cannot get FOX, KRCG, and KNLJ. For awhile we got KNLJ, but not now. We got KRCG once or twice. Now on KRCG and KNLJ, we did not get the message NO SIGNAL. So, it was there supposedly.

Now on to the real reason I'm posting. We cannot pick up FOX. We used the software to search for stations and it did not come up. Can't figure that one out since it's local and we do get ABC - all three of their channels.

AND we get KMOS quite well, all three channels, shock of all shock.

Any ideas? Any similar experiences? WE do not want to go to an outside antenna. Any suggestions welcome.

Desert

What kind of antenna do you have now?

Fox used to be a subchannel of the ABC 17 station, which is decent power and antenna height. Now, Fox has it's own channel 22, which is lower power than ABC 17. Look for channel 22.

KRCG is VHF channel 12 north of Jeff City, so depending on your location it might be a little east of the other channels if I am not mistaken.

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post #1082 of 1154
9/16/09 at 9:15am
I doubt that you will have an acceptable reception of either KOMU, KRCG, or the channel 22 low power Fox affiliate with a set top antenna. Do you have room in the attic for a normal antenna?
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post #1083 of 1154
9/26/09 at 11:04pm
Sorry to take so long to post again, guys. Too much going on. So far as the stations we can get: it's KOMU (all three), KMOS (all three - don't understand that one at all), KMIZ (all three channels), KNLJ, once or twice KRCG, but still no Fox. We did at least detect Channel 12, KRCG, but no signal most of the time.

As to what kind of antenna we have, it's a Magnavox MANT300 with VHF/FM/UHF with Gain Control. It's not even an HD antenna.

GAIN: VHF/FM 22Db UHF 20dB
OUTPUT: 25 OHMS

We have a new HD ??? one that we got for $14.95 plus tax at Best Buy, but since this is the old antenna and is working, we haven't put up the new one yet.

So, we're trying to figure this out. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks.
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post #1084 of 1154
9/27/09 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by DESERT_SAND View Post

Sorry to take so long to post again, guys. Too much going on. So far as the stations we can get: it's KOMU (all three), KMOS (all three - don't understand that one at all), KMIZ (all three channels), KNLJ, once or twice KRCG, but still no Fox. We did at least detect Channel 12, KRCG, but no signal most of the time.

As to what kind of antenna we have, it's a Magnavox MANT300 with VHF/FM/UHF with Gain Control. It's not even an HD antenna.

GAIN: VHF/FM 22Db UHF 20dB
OUTPUT: 25 OHMS

We have a new HD ??? one that we got for $14.95 plus tax at Best Buy, but since this is the old antenna and is working, we haven't put up the new one yet.

So, we're trying to figure this out. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks.

"just north of Columbia" leaves a lot to the imagination. Go to www.tvfool.com and use the signal locator tool to get a forecast. Copy the link to that forecast back here.

Your antenna is a simple VHF dipole/loop (variant) with a strong pre-amp that is probably junk. In the event that KRCG's signal is atcually getting into your house, it is probably getting wiped out in the cheap amplifier due to the 2nd harmonic of KBXR that is only a few miles away from you.

If FOX is on channel 17, it's only licensed for about 11.8 kW from a transmitter site about 20 miles southwest of Columbia. On UHF, that's going to require a better antenna, probably an outside unit.

Also, keep in mind the arc from which the signals come. That will suggest a either a multi-directional antenna outdoors or in the attic or the constant re-adjustment of an indoor antenna.
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post #1085 of 1154
9/28/09 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by DESERT_SAND View Post

Sorry to take so long to post again, guys. Too much going on. So far as the stations we can get: it's KOMU (all three), KMOS (all three - don't understand that one at all), KMIZ (all three channels), KNLJ, once or twice KRCG, but still no Fox. We did at least detect Channel 12, KRCG, but no signal most of the time.

As to what kind of antenna we have, it's a Magnavox MANT300 with VHF/FM/UHF with Gain Control. It's not even an HD antenna.

GAIN: VHF/FM 22Db UHF 20dB
OUTPUT: 25 OHMS

We have a new HD ??? one that we got for $14.95 plus tax at Best Buy, but since this is the old antenna and is working, we haven't put up the new one yet.

So, we're trying to figure this out. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks.

A "FM Trap" might help you weed out any FM radio station problems if you put it before your antenna. I don't think that would be possible for you if the antenna you are using is an all in one thing with a poor preamp. Putting the FM Trap after your antenna already amplifies the signal won't help either.

FOX is on UHF channel 22 full time now, but broadcasting on low power. It does not get out as well as the others that are much higher power. An outside antenna might be required for that one, or maybe something in the attic with a small preamp that has the FM trap.

Scott
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post #1086 of 1154
10/14/09 at 3:12pm
Just remember -- all those who are advocating attic locations -- in most attics the true signal strength is cut by at least 40% or more. I know it is far easier -- but I hope you have a strong signal to start with! -- good luck all---------
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post #1087 of 1154
10/21/09 at 7:33am
DirecTV added MyZOU channel 17.3 as SD channel 18 this morning.

The only real benefit I see would be for those people that do not have a receiver with a built in OTA capability. Now you will be able to watch the Sunday Cardinal games.
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post #1088 of 1154
10/29/09 at 4:41pm
anyone know why mediacom hasn't been showing the blues games?
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post #1089 of 1154
10/30/09 at 7:18am
Mediacom and Dish Network are haggling with FS Midwest. The network wants to charge the providers more since they have more Blues games this season. Those two providers don't want to pay so far. DirecTV, Charter, and AT&T already agreed to it.
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post #1090 of 1154
10/30/09 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by TubaSaxT View Post

Mediacom and Dish Network are haggling with FS Midwest. The network wants to charge the providers more since they have more Blues games this season. Those two providers don't want to pay so far. DirecTV, Charter, and AT&T already agreed to it.

As a consumer, this really annoys me. You make decisions on which provider to use based on their channel lineup. The channel lineup says FSMW which CARRY's the frickin game. I don't see how/why it should be possible to do these essential bait and switch tactics. They did this years ago with the Cards too.
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post #1091 of 1154
10/30/09 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by bookem dano View Post

As a consumer, this really annoys me. You make decisions on which provider to use based on their channel lineup. The channel lineup says FSMW which CARRY's the frickin game. I don't see how/why it should be possible to do these essential bait and switch tactics. They did this years ago with the Cards too.

That is when I switched to DirecTV and have not looked back. (when I changed the DirecTV picture quality was WAY better than Mediacom.)

DirecTV has more sports channels and WAY more HD channels.

If I was looking now, I might think about CenturyLink, but they are just a retransmission of Dish Network. And, from what I have seen, CenturyLink is just a scaled down version of Dish Network.

I will wait until D12 is launched in the next couple of months, and wait until my 2 year commitment is over before I think about making any changes.
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post #1092 of 1154
10/31/09 at 8:31am
Just to clarify, I am under the impression that FSN is not feeding the games to the providers that they are in dispute with. Its not that the providers are refusing to show the games...


I think, anyway.
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post #1093 of 1154
10/31/09 at 11:22pm
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Originally Posted by TubaSaxT View Post

Just to clarify, I am under the impression that FSN is not feeding the games to the providers that they are in dispute with. Its not that the providers are refusing to show the games...


I think, anyway.

You are correct.
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post #1094 of 1154
11/2/09 at 7:48pm
From my understanding, the dispute is that FSN wants to charge more because they are airing more blues games this year. Since some providers don't want to pay more, the network is holding back.

So both sides blame the other. One won't pay, the other is charging more. Either way it's crud in my book.
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post #1095 of 1154
11/3/09 at 7:03pm
I understand both sides. If I liked hockey, I would be more concerned about the situation.
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post #1096 of 1154
11/7/09 at 5:07pm
Looks like once again, we get to listen to

#24 Oklahoma (5-3) at #44 Nebraska (5-3) 8 p.m. ABC Regional

and watch

#61 Connecticut (4-4) at #5 Cincinnati (8-0) 8 p.m. ABC Regional

A very nice but, confusing feature.

OOPS, they fixed it. A Big 12 regional game is not available a Big 12 market. GOOD GOING ABC.

We get UCONN/Cincinnati????

The programming switched again to OU/NU audio with UCONN/Cincinnati video and then, a couple of minutes later the video feed switched to OU/NU.

A similar problem happened last week, why is this so hard to get right???
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post #1097 of 1154
11/7/09 at 9:04pm
Does anyone else still think the PQ of KMIZ sucks?
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post #1098 of 1154
11/8/09 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by PhilAce View Post

Does anyone else still think the PQ of KMIZ sucks?

The HD quality seems fine from DirecTV and OTA.

Who is your provider?
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post #1099 of 1154
11/8/09 at 10:19pm
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Originally Posted by dwrats_56 View Post

The HD quality seems fine from DirecTV and OTA.

Who is your provider?

I have Dish Network and Mediacom. I just think that compared to the other local channels, the picture is soft and not as defined as the others.
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post #1100 of 1154
11/9/09 at 5:18pm
I have the same problem with KMIZ. The color is dull and the picture is not sharp at all. It basically looks like widescreen SD. I have mediacom, but also have gotten the same results ota.
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post #1101 of 1154
11/9/09 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by salokin View Post

I have the same problem with KMIZ. The color is dull and the picture is not sharp at all. It basically looks like widescreen SD. I have mediacom, but also have gotten the same results ota.

I know. I just e-mailed Rick Hartford at KMIZ and he said there is nothing wrong. My eyes aren't lying to me.
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post #1102 of 1154
11/10/09 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by PhilAce View Post

I know. I just e-mailed Rick Hartford at KMIZ and he said there is nothing wrong. My eyes aren't lying to me.


KOMU and KRCG are broadcast in 1080i, and KMIZ and KQFX are broadcast 720p.

In my comparison of the channels, as far as PQ goes, I cannot tell the difference. I did a quick comparison with my DirecTV signal and my OTA signals. To me they both were sharp and had a lot of detail. But, I did notice that the picture on KRCG did look brighter than KMIZ when I just did a comparison. The only explanation for me at this time is just the way the shows were recorded.
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post #1103 of 1154
11/10/09 at 10:46pm
I know the difference between 720p and 1080i. 1080i is much better in my opinion. That's not the problem. I can watch a 720p college football game on KMIZ and then watch the highlights later on ESPN and it isn't even close. And its not even just cable vs. local. The quality of 720p shows on KQFX (House for example) is much better than 720p shows on KMIZ (Lost for example).
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post #1104 of 1154
11/11/09 at 10:10am
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Originally Posted by salokin View Post

I know the difference between 720p and 1080i. 1080i is much better in my opinion. That's not the problem. I can watch a 720p college football game on KMIZ and then watch the highlights later on ESPN and it isn't even close. And its not even just cable vs. local. The quality of 720p shows on KQFX (House for example) is much better than 720p shows on KMIZ (Lost for example).

Same here. I saw some commercial previews for ABC's V on ESPN. They looked so much better than the actual episode on KMIZ.
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post #1105 of 1154
11/23/09 at 6:54pm
I read an article online dated 10/24/09 quoting someone from KRCG about applying for a power increase. I checked on Trip's website and I see nothing about KRCG asking for more power. I wonder if they were just blowing smoke for the newspaper.

These stations love operating low power on VHF. It must save a killing on their electric bills. Thanks for abandoning the over the air viewers. 80% of viewers in Columbia/Jeff City get their stations via subscription service according to the article, so I suppose they don't really care about the few thousand that can't see them anymore. The money they save on electricity is better than those people.

http://m.columbiatribune.com/news/20...mixed-signals/
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post #1106 of 1154
11/27/09 at 8:21am
In that article, Jon Van Ness was quoted:

KRCG has put in a request to up its power, but that's not going to be the end-all fix,

But either he is a liar, or they haven't put in the paperwork, or it is in the mail, whatever.

Van Ness comes across as kind of a jerk in my opinion. He totally dismisses the VHF problems and blames user error, antennas, store salespeople, etc.

I did a lot of research and did everything right. I have a good antenna, amp, feedline, etc. I get 90-92% on KRCG but then some interference kicks in and wipes them out completely, and I am less than 60 miles away.

VHF is bad for digital, period. Grow up KRCG. Stop thinking about all the money you are saving, and think of your viewers.
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post #1107 of 1154
11/30/09 at 6:11am
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Originally Posted by TV Fringe Viewer View Post

I wonder how much KRCG is going to increase power by?

I don't think KOMU's power increase will help at the amount they asked for! But I hope it helps you out!

KOMU should have stayed on UHF Channel 36 at 1000 kW ERP! And Raised there HAAT to old channel 8's!

I'm too far away to get Columbia Jefferson City MO Locals!

But I can get KAIT VHF Channel 8 from Jonesboro AR. Its at 28.2 kW but it still screws up!!!! I'm 55 Miles from KAIT!

KAIT 8 was ever worse before the digital transition. It was channel 9 at 18 kW. Then June 12, 21.7 kW. And Currently 28.2 kW!

Certain Vechicles going down the street turn it into a pixilated mess!!!

Electrical interference, FM interference are also big problems with VHF!

Seriously these are problems VHF Viewers Face!!!!!!!!

KOLR 10 should have moved from channel 52 to a new UHF Channel once the FCC auctioned of channels 52-69!!!! And kept 1000 kW ERP and raised HAAT to 631 M!

Somebody likes exclamation points!!!!!!
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post #1108 of 1154
12/13/09 at 7:42am
Anybody else with DirecTV seeing a problem with Channel 8 on the satellite feed?

Starting about a week ago, choppy video, pauses, etc. Almost unwatchable at times. All the other locals over DTV are fine, and my OTA signals for 8 are fine.

Could be a dish alignment problem, but I'm not having issues with any other channels.

Anybody else seeing a problem?
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post #1109 of 1154
12/13/09 at 9:38am
Not seeing the issue with DirecTV, but I have heard issues in Dish keeping lipsync in line.

FYI Dish owners, if the sound doesn't match the lips, unplug the receiver from the wall for 2-3 minutes, and plug it back in.
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post #1110 of 1154
12/13/09 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by tom25 View Post

Anybody else with DirecTV seeing a problem with Channel 8 on the satellite feed?

Starting about a week ago, choppy video, pauses, etc. Almost unwatchable at times. All the other locals over DTV are fine, and my OTA signals for 8 are fine.

Could be a dish alignment problem, but I'm not having issues with any other channels.

Anybody else seeing a problem?

Hi Tom25, on my HR20 receiver, I am seeing a lot of pausing of the video on D* on channel 8. I do not see the same from my OTA signal.

I have not checked my HR21 to see if it has the same behavior. Too many other family members and just one of me. I will check it out tomorrow.
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