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post #241 of 1495
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Is the DVD rental place going to hit you up for charges, or do you have a monthly plan?
I have a monthly service that also includes in-store rentals for free. This was an in-store 2 day rental. The manager is giving me some free time, but I may have to end up paying for the DVD. Crutchfield's has a lost or damaged media policy that may pay up to $14 for the DVD.
post #242 of 1495
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Originally posted by iamnotmad
ugh, WynsWrld98 in another thread the sony does have black crush issues going to DVI. conflicting reports again. Makes this very difficult!
I saw no black or white crush on this player when connected to the DVI port of a Samsung HLN507W. The set had been properly calibrated in the service menu.

- Collin
post #243 of 1495
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Originally posted by asung
Does anyone have any photos showing CUE/ICP examples on this DVD player? I can't stand macroblocking so I'm leaning towards getting this player, but I was wondering if I could see an example of CUE to judge how annoying it is.

Any help would be great.
I briefly owned both the Sony and the Panny players. There are no CUE issues in my opinion on the Sony. I also did not see any ICP issues, but I didn't have great test material for it. My opinion is that the Sony cleans up ICP a bit, but not as well as other players. Remember that ICP is a DVD design flaw and the better players clean it up to varying degrees. ICP on this player is NOTHING compared to the macroblocking on DCDi, which is one of the most significant flaws I've seen in mid range (and even some high end) players in recent years. I would be more concerned about the green shift issues on the Sony than ICP.

- Collin
post #244 of 1495
Does anyone out there have these configuration? I'd like to know if someone had come up with the best setting for the S975 and/or the Panny AE500.

I got the S975 from Crutchfield (must be the last one) and the HDMI to DVI converter from RAM.

I have the AE500 setup to shoot at 16:9, 120" across on a Firehawk screen using standard settings. On the S975, I have it set at 750P (tried 1080I but not satisfied with the PQ), but I get a strong yellow tint specially on skin tones. I'm not sure if this is a problem of the AE500 or the S975.

Any tips would be highly appreciated.

Thanks,
post #245 of 1495
Thread Starter 
Do you have DVE or Avia.

If so, take a look through the green filter at the color patterns. Is the green level significantly reduced. If so (and I don't have a manual nor am I familiar with the AE500) check to see if there is an adjustment for HD / SD color matrix on the AE500. If so and it is selectable, try SD color matrix.

Otherwise on the Sony Player, try shifting the TINT control a couple of units to the right and check the results.

This issue has been called "green depression" and is the result of the conflict of the SD and HD color matrices. The first post of this thread describes it.

Paul
post #246 of 1495
Thread Starter 
Hello,

No black/white crushing noted with this player with HDMI->DVI @ 1080i/720p. This is to a Hitachi 32HDT55.

Paul
post #247 of 1495
Paul,

I think I am confused. In your most recent post above, did you really mean "a couple of units to the right"? In the base note you suggest reducing Tint on the player to -2 to help compensate. Can't say that I remember with clarity but wouldn't that mean moving it a couple of units to the left?

FWIW: So far although I can clearly see this in the DVE Color/Tint tests I just did with my Pio 5045, I have not noticed it at all - and I am defintely looking for it - even when the DVE disc displays the close-up of the couple's face sitting in restaraunt so you can see the flesh tones. I just don't see anything that looks at all like a jaundiced flesh tone on my setup. It looks like a nice pinkish natural skin-tone. Having said that I really haven't had the set home for long and need to keep watching. With a reduction in green like this I imagine it would also be apparant in certain nature scenes such as a grassy field or lawn I just havn't seen/noticed it and I am looking.

-Matt
post #248 of 1495
Thread Starter 
Matt,

My apologies. I should have stated "two units to the left", or -2. The suggestion is definitely "try it and see". It doesn't result in colors being more accurate, technically -- it just minimizes the yellowish tint to skin tones and appears to have minimal effect on the overall picture. As they say: "your milage may vary".

Some people might not notice or even experience the effects of the "green depression". It certainly doesn't turn people's faces into "lemons", that's for sure. Depending upon the display's decoder calibration the effect might not be noticed at all. Some RPTV owners report their displays have "green push" so the "green depression" might mate well with the overall presentation.

Having the ability to switch HD/SD matrices with a Panasonic TC-22LH1 display at 480p shows me what is happening. The same results can be seen with a Hitachi plasma. The Hitachi has some color decoder/management options that can compensate for the "green depression" behavior.

Paul
post #249 of 1495
I see no evidence at all of green depression going HDMI auto to my Sony 55WF655. I mean comparing HDMI to component using AVIA color bars as program. Evidently the player is compatible to newer Sony TVs.

So far I've only used HDMI in the auto mode, haven't putzed with the various scalings yet.

Other than that I know nothing.
post #250 of 1495
Thread Starter 
It seems that other Sony RPTV users have reported similar results, so that's a good (I hope). Oddly enough haven't tried the "Auto" mode. I guess I need to check it out and see if there are any difference between that and specfically choosing the resolution.

Paul
post #251 of 1495
I have been following this debate for a few days, as I want to buy an HDMI player for my Sony RPTV. Not an easy decision to make, as both machines appear to have good and bad. I decided to go with the Sony for a simple reason, I have a Sony tv, and you can be certain that Sony ran this machine on their sets during development. This is no guarantee that it'll be better, but it certainly should minimize the chance for compatibility issues and better the chances for optimal playback. If you're on the fence, perhaps consider getting the unit that matches your tv brand for a start. I find it hard to believe tha Sony would market a unit that would cause a green depression on their sets. Could happen, just unlikely IMHO.
post #252 of 1495
csimington,

my Sony 975 died today too, after only a month of use.

Though I am able to open the tray after a serious delay (it seemed the Sony has always been slow to read discs, open and close the tray though) it will not read disks anymore.

It worked fine until I fed it a DVD-R the other day, which it refused to play. Could that have been the problem? I don't know, but ABT Electronics is gonna replace it.

I wonder if Sony just needs more experience making upconverting players.....


Anyone else having problems with their 975s?
post #253 of 1495
Thread Starter 
The only disc reading/navigation issue I've had is a player reboot, very rarely, when navigating through Digital Video Essentials. I can't force it to happen. This reboot has not happened with any other disc.

Paul
post #254 of 1495
Has anyone else had problems getting their jpeg images to fill the screen with the 975? Even if I put in a disk of 1280x720 jpeg's, they still have black bars on all 4 sides when displayed, and they're stretched horizontally. I've played with all the settings on the 975 and the TV. Any ideas?

Randy
post #255 of 1495
Rock, I also had an issue with my tray last night on my 1 week old unit. It would not close, and I had to unplug and reset. Upon powering up again the tray closed and then worked fine after that. I hope this is not a recurring problem.

BTW, I purchased the unit from ecost for $239 (plus $5 handling fee) and it was backordered but as soon as it came in it was delivered promptly.
post #256 of 1495
jport: sorry to be a pessimist, but that does not bode well....however, I'm going to give the Sony another shot as I await my new unit.

BTW, have you or anybody else tried DVD-Rs and +Rs in your players?
The Sony can only handle a select few I've burned with Xcopy, but none that I have compressed and reauthored.

In contrast, my Philips 642 can play dang near anything, but the picture is not as smooth as with the Sony.
post #257 of 1495
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Originally posted by Rock the Mullet
jport: sorry to be a pessimist, but that does not bode well....however, I'm going to give the Sony another shot as I await my new unit.

BTW, have you or anybody else tried DVD-Rs and +Rs in your players?
The Sony can only handle a select few I've burned with Xcopy, but none that I have compressed and reauthored.

In contrast, my Philips 642 can play dang near anything, but the picture is not as smooth as with the Sony.
From the CNET review.

"In tests of DVD disc compatibility, the DVP-NS975V fared well, playing most of the DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, and CR-R discs in our collection."

I just placed an order from Amazon for this player and should get it Tuesday. I'm also waiting for an HDMI cable I ordered from Blue Jeans. I hope this looks good on my AE700 because I'm not really happy with how DVDs look over component on my old Sony NS725P.
post #258 of 1495
Thread Starter 
No tray problems here.

Paul
post #259 of 1495
Today I got this Sony DVP-NS975V player. I brought it home and connected to my projector that has an HDCP compliant DVI input. I use a 30 foot DVI cable and the HDCP to DVI adapter. I get no picture no matter what I try doing! The HDMI light is not coming on.

I then look at my DVI cable. It turns out that it is a dual link type. The HDMI-DVI adapter does not care for the type of the DVI cable, but is it possible that this Sony player wants a single-link cable?

The puzzling thing here is this; - before I got this Sony I tried the LG7823 with a DVI output. The LG worked as advertised with the same 30-foot DVI cable, but the micro blocking was all over the place and I could not stand the picture, so it went back to the store.

Here is my question, - for those of us using an HDCP compliant DVI capable display; do we need to use a single link DVI cable only with this Sony 975?

Vadim
post #260 of 1495
Vadim,

Maybe you know all of this, but maybe it also bears repeating. Dual link DVI is intended to be backward-compatible with single-link; it just allows for an increased resolution that is unnecessary but, again, theoretically usable with the 975V. More important in this case, DVI transmission further than 16 ft. or so is definitely problematical, often resulting in no picture at all. I don't know what you're using for that 30 ft. run, but if it isn't an OC or OLC DVI fiber cable, you are at a serious disadvantage. At that distance, you need some sort of signal boost. Apparently, the couple of DVI switchers currently on the market provide enough amplification to allow DVI to work across a couple of 2 meter cable runs, but I doubt even they would guarantee success at 30 ft. By all indications, fiber optic is your best bet.

Ed
post #261 of 1495
Ed,

Thank you for your response. Apparently I also have on hand a 6 feet long single-link DVI cable. Well, I connected the HDMI-DVI adapter to this cable and tried it, - with no success. Perhaps something is very wrong with my Sony player, - I really do not know. The S-Video woks fine though. The strange thing is that the LG7823 I had before worked just fine and it also has an HDCP compliant DVI output.

Vadim
post #262 of 1495
I posted a while back about the HDMI-DVI cable from Pacific Cables that didn't work with a bunch of components, the 975V being one of them. In this brave new world of digital connectors, any number of things can go wrong. Don't count the player out yet. I hate to say it, because it costs too much to buy on speculation, but if you can get hold of a Monster HDMI-DVI cable, give it a try, rather than the separate adaptor. Maybe there's a high-end video store not too far from you that will allow you to try one, or something equivalent, at home. If you honor the protocol of eventually buying from them, they'll often let you try a cable out. As I said, I had trouble with my first cable; I bit the bullet and bought the Monster. I suppose you could buy a cable from one of the manufacturers on the web as well, and just send it back if it doesn't work. There are a bunch of good ones. I won't bother to give a litany of names, but if you need a few suggestions, send me a PM.

Ed
post #263 of 1495
I'm using a 30' "high-end" HDMI to HDMI Ram cable with my 975. It works fine. Other companies I talked to (including Pacific) said their cables wouldn't carry a digital signal that far. I relatively sure the Ram cable has oversize wire with lower resistance. You need to go that route, go fiberoptic, get an ampifier, or mount the unit closer.

Dual link is backward compatible (as previously mentioned). That is not your problem.

gp
post #264 of 1495
Ed,
Thanks for your suggestions. In fact I can get the Monster HDMI-DVI cable in teh same store I got the Sony from. I shall try it this weekend and will report.
Vadim
post #265 of 1495
Can the 975 be region free enabled? Can anyone offer instructions to get this done? I am looking for a upconverting DVD player for my new Sony 55" LCD and the 975 fits my needs, but I need something that is all region enabled. Any advice?
post #266 of 1495
My Sony 5 ft HDMI TO HDMI cable from Sonystyle store works fantastically!
Overnight shipping and had it the next day for an extra ten dollars, Still half the price of Monster!!!

Sony HDMI cable
post #267 of 1495
Help--just bought a 975 yesterday to mate with my new Samsung 5674 DLP. I am running HDMI out from the 975 to HMMI in on the TV--video is fine and audio is fine on the TV speakers--I also ran an digital optical cable from the out of the 975 to my receiver for the 5.1 in my main system but im getting no audio. I have it routed to the "LD" optical input on the receiver as my other DVD player is a Denon 2900 hooked up component. Ive rechecked the connection--looks snug an working as far as i can tell. Any suggestions? Thanks everyone.

Mike
post #268 of 1495
You may have to turn off the HDMI sound output on the Sony or enable the
optical/coax output on the Sony. Check the instruction book. I would guess it is a setting on the 975.
post #269 of 1495
Got my 975V today!!!
I did the setup but haven't played with it much yet. Just a quick answer to thebeatles67... My digital coax works with HDMI audio set to "Auto". Maybe you want to check the settings on the audio stream to enable Dolby Digital (not PCM). The manual is a little confusing but if you read through the different types of audio connections you'll find it useful.
post #270 of 1495
Anyone running a Infocus PJ, use the 30ft M1 to DVI cable. This cable works. I have the monster dvi to hdmi adaptor on the dvi end, and have had nothing but success with the 975v. The picture looks great, minus the vertical banding. I just got finshed watching I-robot, and Collateral, and It looked almost as good as anything on HBOHD. With this player I can wait for the HDDVD-Blue ray fight to be over with. I think it looks better than the Zenith 318 and the Denon 1910, having owned both. I think I am finally happy.
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