I see you admit you meant "deinterlacing" not "scaling". You weren't clear in the first place! http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
And I don't think you mentioned which ROCK you saw, probably an older unit with Version 1.x.x firmware. If you did, then I would have not bothered to respond except a brief comment about the word "never".
I won't take upon the bet if you constrain to "deinterlacing" only. There is insufficient knowledge about DCDi versus ClearMatrix, but I know Faroudja has WAY MORE experience in video-based deinterlacing. Faroudja has been in the market for over 10 years. I haven't compared ClearMatrix and DCDi myself.
We have pulled off miraculous feats in less than half a year
, with massive picture quality improvements. We also have the advantage of Moore's law
more cheaply than Faroudja has, and we have the option of taking advantage of future parallelism
, over the next few years. The ROCK has been out for only a bit more than 3 months
, and look at the picture quality improvements it has already experienced. Yes
, it may require a mere upgrade in a year (while Faroudja wants you to replace
the unit!) if we release a massively better algorithm than ClearMatrix in next year or two. Even if DCDi was better than ClearMatrix (which I haven't compared), we already know we blow away Faroudja in several areas
Faroudja does the same in others
. It's the whole package
that counts. You'll see we're closer to the same level
than you think.On the other hand, I am tempted
to take upon the bet if you mean "overall picture quality experience" on movie DVD's. I am tempted to take upon your bet. Now if the CRT projector is configured to 72 Hz, then I would be more likely to ask you to sign me, but it also depends on the Faroudja. Clearly I would decline if you suggested the Faroudja 5000 which cost several tens of thousand of dollars.
It's easy for Faroudja to win the bet on a certain feature, while it's easy for ROCK to win the bet on a different feature. All one needs to do is focus on said feature. We believe there are more features and characteristics that ROCK would win the bet on, than Faroudja. Your car comparision is inaccurate - do you know how cheap some of the chips inside a Faroudja unit is, in the name of mass manufacture. Yes, their casing may be more propritary than ours - and they may have more custom circuit boards than ours. They would win in that category. And the common 8-bit limitation is an easy target to aim at too. And yes, Faroudja may have fancier case designs - but there are several stylish designs coming over the years.HOWEVER, in the name of good sportmanship, and in the name of business ethics, I do not partake in any betting contests. Even if the odds are in my favour, I will decline because of these reasons.
My primary point is that you'd be pretty surprised at how *overall* balanced Faroudja vs ROCK is, these days. It's the whole package that counts...
Eventually, whoemever you saw that ROCK from, will eventually upgrade it to a ROCK Plus. (Unless it was returned, of course!) Yes, what you saw was probably an older ROCK and with Firmware 1.x.0 ... I'm not surprised at your early impressions which are understandably realistic if referring the an older unit, but more and more portions of your impressions are less and less true as time passes... I am not going to repeat the teething problems (early DOA, green push, Firmware 1.x.x, pre-ClearMatrix deinterlacing, EMERALD preannouncements, etc.) but you very well know them. Give us credit for the massive improvements over the last few months! http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/wink.gif
It's a shame it would go down to petty things like betting contests on this. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
... I guess I struck a nerve with ericbee?
After all I agree with ericbee on the picture problems of preproduction ROCK's with ROCK firmware 1.x.x but not about his use of word "never". You said you saw a ROCK. Is that your ROCK? The ROCK Plus is a far more mature version of our ROCK product. If so, it's an inexpensive upgrade to a ROCK Plus - it's like getting a new scaler, a 4-figure or 5-figure price leap in picture quality. Then you would be more qualified to make comparisions. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif
Mark Rejhonwww.marky.com/hometheaterLead Software Engineer for The TAW ROCK
[This message has been edited by Mark Rejhon (edited 07-13-2001).]