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post #481 of 621
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Originally Posted by rluyster View Post

I sent an email to their chief engineer asking him about this. Hopefully we'll get some response as to the present situation.

As of this date, not a word from WTRF engineering.....
post #482 of 621
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Originally Posted by firemantom26 View Post

I wonder if they are at full power yet.

I realize that this is anecdotal evidence, but WTRF is booming in here in Salem. According to TV Fool, I'm 59.3 miles from the transmitter. I get a 100% signal quality level on my Dish ViP 622 DVR when I point my antenna (Winegard YA-1713) south toward Wheeling. When my antenna is pointed toward Cleveland, I still get a signal quality level between 65 and 75% with occasional dropouts.
post #483 of 621
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Originally Posted by salemtubes View Post

I realize that this is anecdotal evidence, but WTRF is booming in here in Salem. According to TV Fool, I'm 59.3 miles from the transmitter. I get a 100% signal quality level on my Dish ViP 622 DVR when I point my antenna (Winegard YA-1713) south toward Wheeling. When my antenna is pointed toward Cleveland, I still get a signal quality level between 65 and 75% with occasional dropouts.



I can't pick WTRF up now,when it was a 100% before
post #484 of 621
Tom, is WTOV's signal level lower, too? Have you checked all of your connections? Did you seal the outdoor connections? If not, it is possible that water has entered your F connectors and/or coax.
post #485 of 621
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Everything else comes in the same or better.
post #486 of 621
It doesn't make sense, Tom. Have any new cell towers or other structures been erected near you? If so, you may be experiencing multipath interference. Are you using a rotator? If not, try changing the antenna's aim slightly.
post #487 of 621
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Must be some multipath interference, because last night it was fine again.
post #488 of 621
Anyone notice anything different reception-wise in the Ohio Valley now that the switchover has taken place?
post #489 of 621
No difference here, aside from the band openings at night and the absence of WOUC 44.

Roger
post #490 of 621
According to directv site in September they will be adding the blue-field, beckly wv hd locals market. I wonder what the chances are that Wheeling WV will soon follow. I'm hoping it's soon. I live in a valley so i can't get any of the locals with an off air antenna. I currently get new york distant locals on directv. Are the fox and abc channels in wheeling hd? I just wondered because they could add wtov in hd and wtrf in hd, but i was wondering about fox and abc. Maybe they would just give us fox hd and abc hd out of pittsburgh? I guess we'll find out some things about how they might handle that when they add the blue-field market because i don't believe they have a fox channel in their market.
post #491 of 621
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No just WTRF CBS is in HD OTA.
post #492 of 621
Fox and ABC are carried as standard definition subchannels 7.2 and 7.3 on WTRF-DT, Wheeling. 7.1 is CBS in token HD. I say "token" because the picture quality on 7.1 (and the subchannels) is substandard. They're trying to squeeze too much into the available bandwidth resulting in lots of artifacting etc. Hopefully Directv/Dish can secure a better source signal if/when they begin to carry them..and even then it will probably be just 7.1, not the subchannels.
post #493 of 621
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Originally Posted by firemantom26 View Post

I can't pick WTRF up now,when it was a 100% before

Does anybody know the current output signal of WTRF-DT?, and are there any plans or changes to increase the signal ? I have received them ONLY in the morning and only during tropo conditions when get a signal @50%. WTOV comes in all the time now, about 65% signal,and that is not bad for my 266degrees West for Ch 9 has trees and houses to obstruct the signal.
post #494 of 621
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Originally Posted by dxernut View Post

Does anybody know the current output signal of WTRF-DT?, and are there any plans or changes to increase the signal ? I have received them ONLY in the morning and only during tropo conditions when get a signal @50%. WTOV comes in all the time now, about 65% signal,and that is not bad for my 266degrees West for Ch 9 has trees and houses to obstruct the signal.

According to FCC info, they're supposed to be at 25.4 kW ERP up from 4.5 kW ERP when they were on ch 32. I haven't heard of any current plans/changes aimed at improving their signal. I receive both WTRF and WTOV all the time here in Canton with average signals of 75% for WTRF and 100% for WTOV. Prior to the switchovers, I received WTOV (ch 57) at 70-80% and WTRF (ch 32) only for brief periods when tropo was really strong. To maximize WTRF signals, my antenna positioning must be a few degrees more to the SE than the WTOV maximum setting. Tuning WTRF while at the WTOV setting cuts WTRF's signal strength just about in half. I don't know if this has any bearing on your problem but I mention it to point out that even though those two stations are in the same market with approximately the same power, their transmitting facilities differ. Have you tried different antenna positions and/or antennas?
post #495 of 621
Does anyone get any of the Pittsburgh area channels with an antenna? I purchased a cheap RCA (Walmart $85) outdoor antenna with a 60 mile range and pick up WTRF - 98% and WTOV out of Steubenville - 60% strength. Actually better than I thought as I'm in Powhatan Point, OH. Does anyone have a Winegard HD8200U antenna? It looks to have a longer range and my location appears to be around 65 miles from WTAE. I'd really like to get ABC in HD-1080i if possible, but don't want to purchase the other antenna if it won't add anything to what I already have. Thanks.
post #496 of 621
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Originally Posted by Boltzie View Post

Does anyone get any of the Pittsburgh area channels with an antenna? I purchased a cheap RCA (Walmart $85) outdoor antenna with a 60 mile range and pick up WTRF - 98% and WTOV out of Steubenville - 60% strength. Actually better than I thought as I'm in Powhatan Point, OH. Does anyone have a Winegard HD8200U antenna? It looks to have a longer range and my location appears to be around 65 miles from WTAE. I'd really like to get ABC in HD-1080i if possible, but don't want to purchase the other antenna if it won't add anything to what I already have. Thanks.

I currently am using the Winegard HD8200P which is basically the same antenna from what I've read, just packaged differently than the newer HD8200U. It has given me great performance mounted on a 50' tower with a Winegard preamp and rotor. However, I'm in Canton OH and I know there is a great difference in topography than where you are in Powhatan Point. ( I'm originally from Belmont County so I know what you have to deal with. ). I get strong digital reception here from Cleveland, Youngstown, Steubenville, Wheeling and Cambridge and frequent reception from Pittsburgh and Zanesville when conditions are right, especially during the summer. I used to have regular fair reception from Pittsburgh analogs on channels 11, 13 and 53 until they went off the air. Channel 2 was also there but had interference from a Cleveland digital station on the same channel. I would strongly recommend a preamplifier if you don't already have one. Be sure to utilize the FM trap to filter out any possible radio interference. Internet reviews seem to generally speak positively of the HD8200 series antennas. Hope this might be of some help to you.
post #497 of 621
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Originally Posted by Boltzie View Post

Does anyone get any of the Pittsburgh area channels with an antenna? I purchased a cheap RCA (Walmart $85) outdoor antenna with a 60 mile range and pick up WTRF - 98% and WTOV out of Steubenville - 60% strength. Actually better than I thought as I'm in Powhatan Point, OH. Does anyone have a Winegard HD8200U antenna? It looks to have a longer range and my location appears to be around 65 miles from WTAE. I'd really like to get ABC in HD-1080i if possible, but don't want to purchase the other antenna if it won't add anything to what I already have. Thanks.

Your best chance at picking up WTAE is with an Antennas Direct/Terrestrial Digital 91XG. It is the best antenna on the market for the high UHF channels. WTAE's real channel number is 51. 4.1 and 4.2 are virtual numbers. 4.2 is also now carrying This TV.

You'll also want to use a Channel Master 7777 preamplifier to combine the signals from the 91XG and your current antenna. Use the VHF input on the 7777 for your current antenna. Use the UHF/VHF input for the 91XG, and then set the 7777's internal switch to UHF only. Also engage the FM trap in the 7777 if there are any FM band transmitters in your area.
post #498 of 621
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Originally Posted by rluyster View Post

According to FCC info, they're supposed to be at 25.4 kW ERP up from 4.5 kW ERP when they were on ch 32. I haven't heard of any current plans/changes aimed at improving their signal. I receive both WTRF and WTOV all the time here in Canton with average signals of 75% for WTRF and 100% for WTOV. Prior to the switchovers, I received WTOV (ch 57) at 70-80% and WTRF (ch 32) only for brief periods when tropo was really strong. To maximize WTRF signals, my antenna positioning must be a few degrees more to the SE than the WTOV maximum setting. Tuning WTRF while at the WTOV setting cuts WTRF's signal strength just about in half. I don't know if this has any bearing on your problem but I mention it to point out that even though those two stations are in the same market with approximately the same power, their transmitting facilities differ. Have you tried different antenna positions and/or antennas?

Yes I tried 5 different antennas, and I'm done.... The last UHF VHF combo does receive WTOV all the time which was the station I needed, WTRF would have been a nice alternative to KDKA esp on weekends for the CBS Morning show.
post #499 of 621
I just checked out tvfool.com with my address. The way I read this site, the Noise Margin should be reviewed to see what channels are available 'in the air' at my location. If the NM is positive, the channel is most likely available and the antenna's gain value can be added to the NM to see if the total NM is a positive value.

There are only two channels with a positive value for Noise Margin. WTRF = 37.0 and WTOV = 16.5. WTAE isn't on the chart and the closest ABC affiliate is 83 miles away with a -38.1 NM. There is a CW channel with a -36.5 NM. A few channels have a -20 +/- NM, which I'm not sure that I could pick up with the best deep fringe antenna available. I was looking at the mile rating and not paying attention to the Noise Margin. Apparently, WTAE is very weak in my area, which is surrounded by mountainous terrain. I was going to try another antenna and return it if it didn't pick up more than my cheap RCA 3036X, but the RCA inside my attic has WTRF at 98% signal and WTOV at 82%. I'll have to check the dB level on my Sony XBR tv to see how strong it is. Am I evaluating this antenna information correctly?

salemtubes: Have you checked tvfool.com to compare the channels you're receiving versus the channels tvfool shows that would be available? I'm interested to know if you can receive any channels that tvfool has with a negative Noise Margin.

Thanks.
post #500 of 621
Boltzie, click HERE to view the TV Fool report for my exact location and antenna height. I receive all of the digital stations in the green, yellow and pink fields except for a couple of low power stations. I do not receive any stations in the gray fields unless atmospheric conditions are good (tropospheric ducting).

Yes, you're essentially interpreting the noise margin information correctly. Theoretically, you should be able to add your antenna's gain to the NM figure; however, in actual practice, when you're dealing with weak signals, there is quite a bit of luck involved. For example, WQED is my third strongest Pittsburgh station, but if the TV Fool data is to be belived, WPXI should be stronger, but it is, in fact, weaker. Along with WPGH and WQEX, WQED is near the bottom of the pink field.

Lastly, evaluate antenna mileage claims with skepticism. Most are highly exaggerated for real life situations.
post #501 of 621
I just read on another forum that Directv should have wheeling locals up sometime within the next 6 months. Supposedly directv has already finished the uplink facility.
post #502 of 621
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Originally Posted by Gib4500 View Post

I just read on another forum that Directv should have wheeling locals up sometime within the next 6 months. Supposedly directv has already finished the uplink facility.

I have been reading the same thing. I hope it is soon. Good by Comcast.
post #503 of 621
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post #504 of 621
I read that thread at DBS too. Does anybody know how trustworthy the WTRF spokesperson is? I've heard tap dance stories from them in the past.
post #505 of 621
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It could be all smoke and mirrors. I hope that it is all true.
post #506 of 621
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Originally Posted by Budracin8 View Post

I read that thread at DBS too. Does anybody know how trustworthy the WTRF spokesperson is? I've heard tap dance stories from them in the past.

I was unclear as to whether Cary was a WTRF person or a Directv person?

Brad Stanford is/was the WTRF Chief Engineer. Someone might want to contact him at: bstanford@wtrf.com. It's sometimes hard to get a response but the ones I've had were accurate. I'm not trying to be a smart*** but I think you mean "song and dance", not "tap dance".......and I don't think Tom meant to say that "I could be all smoke and mirrors."
post #507 of 621
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Originally Posted by rluyster View Post

I was unclear as to whether Cary was a WTRF person or a Directv person?

Brad Stanford is/was the WTRF Chief Engineer. Someone might want to contact him at: bstanford@wtrf.com. It's sometimes hard to get a response but the ones I've had were accurate. I'm not trying to be a smart*** but I think you mean "song and dance", not "tap dance".......and I don't think Tom meant to say that "I could be all smoke and mirrors."

You got me on that one...song and dance was what I was going for...but my brain and fingers were not working very well that day.
post #508 of 621
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Originally Posted by rluyster View Post

I was unclear as to whether Cary was a WTRF person or a Directv person?

Brad Stanford is/was the WTRF Chief Engineer. Someone might want to contact him at: bstanford@wtrf.com. It's sometimes hard to get a response but the ones I've had were accurate. I'm not trying to be a smart*** but I think you mean "song and dance", not "tap dance".......and I don't think Tom meant to say that "I could be all smoke and mirrors."

you are right "It could be all smoke and mirrors."
post #509 of 621
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Originally Posted by Budracin8 View Post

You got me on that one...song and dance was what I was going for...but my brain and fingers were not working very well that day.



I sent Brad a email. I will let you know when I hear something.
post #510 of 621
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Originally Posted by firemantom26 View Post

I sent Brad a email. I will let you know when I hear something.

I got this email from Brad

"Its possible but nothing for sure yet."

Brad Stanford
Director of Engineering/Broadcast Operations
WTRF-TV/DT
CBS/FOX/ABC Ohio Valley


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