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post #31 of 8829
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Originally posted by marchristensen
[b]Just to confirm - I can use two connections from 8300 to TV, one for HD/component and one for SD/composite

Yes, you can have multiple connections.
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and I will be able to record both kinds of shows

Yes, you can record any channel/program, HD/SD.
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and watch them both with no dark side bars - right?

Probably, as far as I can tell using the 8300 and my Hitachi, both Component and S-Video connections.

I don't know anything about the 4200 or Panny. For example, I don't know if the Panny cannot stretch Component because the 4200 cannot output 480i for the SD channels or if the Panny cannot stretch Component no matter what.

If your Panny will not stretch Component, regardless of the resolution (480i/1080i), then you will get bars on all your SD recordings if you view them on the Component connection. However, I just recorded an SD channel and it will playback on the S-Video (and presummably Composite) connection. So, you should be able to use that to stretch the image to fill the screen, if that's what you are doing now. If the Panny can stretch 480i on the Component connection, then you probably won't even need the S-Video/Composite connection. I don't, but I have them hooked up because they were there from the previous box.
post #32 of 8829
Double DAZ - Thanks for your patience and complete answers. Thanks to your explanations I am going to go for it and will report back.
post #33 of 8829
DoubleDAZ,
Yesterday I noticed two shows on SPEED channel which were still in the scheduled recording display past their air time. They had not recorded, nor had there been something else recorded in their timeslot. The reason I am still sceptical is that I had one show appear in my recordings which had replaced a regularly scheduled program. The title in the recording list was correct for the content, I believe that it was JAG replaced several weeks ago in the Friday night slot. It seems like there was a Tim Mcgraw special on in the JAG timeslot, and I got a copy on the 8000, anyway, I'll have to see the 8300 dodge a substitution for myself I'm afraid.

TerryB

PS I remember after a little searching what the issue was. After Standard time returned, the recorder had highlighted a show one hour later than JAG and had not highlighted JAG, because JAG had 'moved' one hour on the nig clock in the sky although it was still 8PM central standard. That's the reason I sceptical about the scheduler being so all seeing. Know what I mean?

TerryB
post #34 of 8829
Thread Starter 
Terry, it doesn't bother me that you are skeptical, I'm skeptical too until I see something for myself. However, I never said the 8300 is all-knowing. I simply said it skipped Y&R Thursday, even though it records every other weekday, including other Thursdays. I'm sure we can come up with all kinds of situtions where we think it should or shouldn't record and it does or doesn't. So far, that's the only situtation someone asked about and I;ve checked it to my satisfaction.

Your JAG thing is certainly a bug, but it is rather limited in scope. I'm going to have to make a note of the DST for next spring. Even though Arizona doesn't change, I'll have to remember to check the scheduled recordings to make sure they are still correct.

The time-slot should not be high-lighted based on a scheduled recording if the program is not on at that time. The high-lighting keeps you from using the IPG to record the replacement. You can set up a manual recording for the slot and it will record, I've done it, but you shouldn't have to do it that way.

I'm not sure what you are saying about the Speed Channel thing. Are you saying that you scheduled 2 recordings, that they were still scheduled after they aired, and that they didn't record when they aired? Can you elaborate a little more?
post #35 of 8829
How about skipping commercials?
post #36 of 8829
has anyone tried to record to an external hard drive on the SA 8300? also what about the usb connection on the front of the box
post #37 of 8829
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Originally posted by mr blumpkin
has anyone tried to record to an external hard drive on the SA 8300? also what about the usb connection on the front of the box

Currently being tested by SA. It will be a rentable item if or when it is ready to go. It is not a standard serial(SATA) connection. The USB slot is not active,and I have heard of no plans to activate it.
post #38 of 8829
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Originally posted by Nedtsc
How about skipping commercials?

FF
post #39 of 8829
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by Nedtsc
How about skipping commercials?

I don't know if this is a serious question or not, but I'll answer it anyway.

There is no commercial skip. However, the FF has 3 speeds (4x, 10x, and 30x) and once you get adept at using one of those, along with the Replay button (backs up 8 seconds), you can skip commercials with ease.
post #40 of 8829
kevinivey:

Interesting comment about the external drive NOT being SATA. Has SA changed the design specs? It's documented as being SATA.
post #41 of 8829
Press the record button. It will prompt you through the record process for the program being shown and if you've w!atched less than 1 hour the entire program is recorded!

Morey
post #42 of 8829
It is SATA ,but the cable is special and a a normal serial will not plug into the back of the unit. Sorry. for not being more clear.
post #43 of 8829
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by kevinivey
It is SATA, but the cable is special and a normal serial will not plug into the back of the unit. Sorry for not being more clear.

I believe it's been pointed out in the other 8300 thread that the 8300 uses a SATA1 connector and external drives use SATA2. It may be the other way around, but the point is they are both SATA and you need the appropriate SATA1>SATA2 cable.
post #44 of 8829
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Originally posted by mcopeland7
Press the record button. It will prompt you through the record process for the program being shown and if you've watched less than 1 hour the entire program is recorded!

If you are replying to my post, I've done that and I 'think' I'm getting different results. I just hit Record and checked the LIST. There is a recording for 23 minutes and that appears to match how long I've had the program on. I'll play with it some more to see if I get similar results with whatever is on next.

The interesting thing is I then selected that recording, stopped/erased it, then hit Record again. This time I got only 17 minutes when I was expecting either something more than 23 minutes or just the minute or two since I did the stop/erase. Each time I do this, I get progressively fewer minutes, but there doesn't seem to be any pattern and the length does not correlate to the time the program has been on or the time since I started recording the last time.

EDIT: I was watching Billiards on ESPN and did not change channels or anything. It was scheduled for an hour in the IPG. I waited until 50 minutes into it to hit Record. Well, all I got was the last 19 minutes.

Since another episode is showing now, I erased the other one and hit Record (I'm 15 minutes into the program). Now I get 45 minutes in the LIST, but I see what is happening and why I previously got decreasing numbers. When I look at the LIST while it is still recording, it shows how much time is remaining to be recorded, not how much time has been recorded. So, that answers that question.

But, I still will only get 45 minutes when the show has been on for 15 minutes already and should have been in the buffer. It had stopped recording when the previous program ended (as it should have), so nothing else was going on during this time to mess up the buffer.

As soon as this program ends, I'm going to switch channels and try something that is not on back to back. This time I will try less than 30 minutes in and see what I get. Then I'll try nother one less than an hour in again. I'll post my results.
post #45 of 8829
Just hit the record button.
post #46 of 8829
Well, apparently I've found a thread where I might be able to get answers for my 8300 hd. Here's the situation. When I first got my machine I could not get it to "hold" on to the auto setting. Every time I either changed my viewing screens (tv1, tv2, etc) I would seem to loose my auto selection and be stuck on 480i. It would still show auto but it would not change to 1080i or 780p. I'm using an HDMI connector.

I had to do the set up every morning to get it to work. Then about 6 days after I got my unit in the middle of the afternoon it fixed. I had no problem switching to different screens or shutting off the unit. The 8300 picked the correct formats and all was fine. That is until I had a reception problem and made the mistake of calling Adelphia.

They put me through the reboot process and sent a signal out. When they did that my unit went right back to where it was when I first got it. So if I switch to watch VCR, DVD, or just shut off my tv it has to be reset again.


I don't know how I got it to behave in the first place so if anybody has a clue please let me know. It's a drag to have to do the set up all the time.

Thanks - Phil
post #47 of 8829
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by trekkerj
Just hit the record button.

Come on folks, I know THAT, but now I'm really perplexed. I could swear I hit Record 15 minutes into a program I was watching today and all I got was the point where I started recording to the end, 45 minutes out of 60. However, I did it again 4 minutes into another program and got all 2.5 hours. I did it again, 47 minutes into Cold Case, and got all 60 minutes. I just did it again 13 minutes into Desparate Housewives and again got it all.

The first program was one episode of a Billiards marathon on ESPN-HD. I tried it a couple of times during the marathon and one time I appeared to get part of the previous episode and some of the current one, at least according to the gauge when I hit REW. I suppose something could have been messed up in the IPG, even though it looked okay to me. Or it could simply have been that the buffer doesn't clear as each program ends in the IPG, especially if it has the same name.

I guess I am just going to have to keep an eye on it. It's only something I was doing to test things, so it's not a big deal for now. Tomorrow I'm off and there is a SportsCenter marathon on ESPN-HD, so I should be able to do some testing then.
post #48 of 8829
Thread Starter 
Okay, I wasn't able to use SportsCenter to reproduce what I 'thought' I did yesterday, so I'm going to drop this subect (thank goodness, I know ) until I can definitely reproduce something.
post #49 of 8829
can anyone explain to me how i schedule recordings that i want in the future. can i "search by title" as with my tivo? thanks.
post #50 of 8829
Thread Starter 
No, you cannot search by title like your Tivo. You can only schedule what is currently in the IPG and only as far ahead as the IPG, usually a week. You could schedule a manual recording based upon some other database, like TitanTV, but it's easier to simply keep track of future programs and schedule them as they show up in the IPG. I've heard that Gemstar (where many cableco's get their IPG data) is working on upgrades for later next year, but only time will tell what comes of that and just how much added functionally will be available as a result.

I think the 3 biggest problems with the IPG right now are; the lack of a 'first run' flag, the 1-week limit, and the lack of a search by title. Their current way of displaying programs by titles leaves too much to be desired and I rarely use it. It would be a lot more useful to me if they sorted the entire week and then simply displayed the air date along with the other info. I don't want to have to search day by day, it's way too tedious. I use TitanTV or something else to give me a list and then simply use the IPG to actually schedule it. Fortunately, my wireless notebook is right here, so it's not that difficult.
post #51 of 8829
thanks for the answer. so, if i want hd recording with 2 tuners i have to put up with a shockingly inferior interface compared to my tivo series 1. that's a tradeoff i think i'll have to make.
post #52 of 8829
I'm confused about the search by title comments. I can do it here and I'm sure they're all the same unless cable companies somehow do it differently. It's an option in the guide (press B I think) and it gives you different search options, including alphabetically.
post #53 of 8829
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Originally posted by Jim Boden
I'm confused about the search by title comments. I can do it here and I'm sure they're all the same unless cable companies somehow do it differently. It's an option in the guide (press B I think) and it gives you different search options, including alphabetically.

I think what DoubleDAZ was saying is that it is not a very good option. Yes, you can do a search by title but it will only search on the date that your on in your guide. It will do it alphabetically as you state but if your show is not on todays guide or the date your searching on you will not find it.

In comparison with TiVo which will find the title and date of a show simply by typing in a few letters, this is a very tedious type of search option. That is why DoubleDAZ recommended Titan TV, I personally prefer ZAP2IT as I understand it uses the same data source as TiVo. Titan TV is very good too.
post #54 of 8829
Thread Starter 
Jim, hookbill is exactly right. IMO, the current title option in the IPG is nothing more than an alphabetical list, one day at a time at that. As it is now, it is virtully useless to me. You have to navigate to the first letter, then scroll through all the titles to find the one you are looking for. That can be a bit time consuming and tedious, especially when the next letter is in the middle of the alphabet and you have to decide to scroll forward or backward, etc.

That wouldn't be so bad, but you have to do this for every date in the IPG. If it at least grouped all dates together, you would only have to do the title lookup (I refuse to call it a search) once to find what date it's on, if it's even on that week. Unfortunately, grouping a full weeks worth of data would make the lookup even more tedious as there would then be just that many more titles to scroll through.

I don't know how Tivo works, and I'm not complaining that we lack Tivo functionality, but if you are trying to find a program in the IPG, you shouldn't have to go through the lookup process as many as 7 times to find something. I'm sure there are a number of reasons why they implemented this option the way they did, but I just find it much easier to go to TitanTV and do a 'proper' search there.

And, FWIW, HDTV Magazine's site has been developing a really cool HD guide that lists titles by grid like everyone else. But, they also have an option to find movies/episodes/shows/sports on selected channels and sort them by time/date or title. It also let's you download the search results in CSV format for import into Excel, etc., so that you canmake you own guide. You can also right click on a movie in the guide and it interfaces with IMBD for more info than you'll ever need. Rigth now the database covers 2 weeks, but that may go to 56 days at some point.
post #55 of 8829
I definitely agree the title search function is completely lame, but it's better than nothing. Since we don't have Tivo in Canada, I can only imagine how much better it could be.
post #56 of 8829
Hey guys,

I picked up my Adelphia 8300HD yesterday, this is in addition to our current 8000HD that we have hooked up to a 27" Sony 4:3 SD set.

The 8300HD is now installed with our Toshiba 46H83 46" RPHD set.

I've read the thread quite throughly and still have one small issue with letterboxing and pillars.

Originally I set up the box with only 1080i enabled, so the box was upscaling everything to 1080i, which of course gave me pillars on 4:3 content. Since my TV won't let me strech HD material, I added 480i Standard, 480p Standard, 480i Widescreen and 480p Widescreen output options to my setup.

Now, it still adds the pillars when outputting and 480 material, but I can strech with my TV. Of course, for channel surfing this isn't the most efficient solution as everytime I hit an HD channel, then surf onto a SD channel I have to go into my TV setup and change from full screen to one of the strech modes.

I'm pretty sure that's what I'm stuck with as it's a limiation of my TV not being able to automatically strech when it see's a 480 signal, but I figured I'd post just to make sure i'm not missing something.

When in 1080i mode, I could strech the 4:3 contect with the Aspect button on the DVR remote, but the strech modes are flat our horrible compared to my Toshiba's strech modes.
post #57 of 8829
If I'm reading your post correctly your saying your tv does not automatically reset to something like wide screen when you hit a 480i broadcast. If that is the case I don't think your missing anything.

My Sony Wega does not stretch on any digital channel either, however it does have the capability to switch back to widescreen automatically when I am receiving anything in standard definition (actually it will just reset to whatever it was last set on and I always leave it on widescreen). It seems like your only other option is to stretch with the cable box using settings, but I'll bet your pq is better when you do it with your tv.

I know you said you read the entire thread but make sure you put your 8300 on AUTO/HDMI or Pass Thru if your using components. You've probably done that already so it's probably just a limitation of your set.
post #58 of 8829
Just a thought for LordAthens, the ability for my Sony Wega to automatically recall what setting to go to was something I had to set up on my TV. Are you sure your Toshiba doesn't have that? I'd double check your TV settings.
post #59 of 8829
Can the SD and HD outputs be active at the same time on the 8300HD?

That has been a real nuisance for me. I have a projector and an SD TV in my living room. Daily viewing is done with the SD tv and primetime viewing is done with the projector. I have a very complicated control setup that automates everything except for the cable box. The 8000HD requires that I physically change the setup from SD to HD by pressing buttons on the box.

I'd love to hear that the SD and HD outputs are active at the same time

Russell
post #60 of 8829
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Originally posted by trpltongue
Can the SD and HD outputs be active at the same time on the 8300HD?

That has been a real nuisance for me. I have a projector and an SD TV in my living room. Daily viewing is done with the SD tv and primetime viewing is done with the projector. I have a very complicated control setup that automates everything except for the cable box. The 8000HD requires that I physically change the setup from SD to HD by pressing buttons on the box.

I'd love to hear that the SD and HD outputs are active at the same time

Russell

I'm not certain I get what your saying but I think what you may be asking is are component and HDMI active at the same time. If that's your question the answer from me is no. Not on my 8300.

But you mention changing the setup on the cable box so that makes me think your changing the settings on the 8000. If that's the case you wouldn't have to do it manually, you could do it by settings with your remote which I'm sure your aware of.

Now if what your looking for is a way to display SD and HD through the same box by is yes if you have a VCR. The way this works is you would "watch" your SD tv by hooking up your SD plugs from your box to your VCR then setting your channel on L1 on the VCR. This would put whatever you have on your box through to your SD television. On the 8000 you can record to VCR but you cannot watch "live" like on the 8300.

This is the only way I think you could work it. DoubleDAZ may have some ideas too. He mentions this type of hook up in his 8300 manual earlier in this thread.
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