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post #781 of 8829
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Just to clarify, it's not the 8300 per se, it's the software being run on it and the IPG being used.

Assuming you are running SARA software, once the cableco upgrades their IPG to include the First Run Flag, you will see a new recording option, something like "Record new first run episodes on this channel". The option is already in the software, but it needs the flag to be included in the IPG for the option to show in the options list. Until then, you are limited to the options you already have and the one you are using is as good as any.
post #782 of 8829
Hookbill - thanks for the insight, and welcome

DDAZ - thanks for the tips. I live in AZ as well and use Cox as my cable provider, but I cannot get your 15 minute skip ahead trick to work. All that happens is my channel 800 inicator goes from one time to the next, like I am searching for what is coming on at a later time.
I pressed the ff button, then the arrows next to the select button. Any ideas?
post #783 of 8829
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kabota, as indicated by the title "PassPort Related Tips (May or may not work with SARA software):" of the part of the first post where you found that tip, the 15 second skip ahead/back is only for those systems using Passport software, not the SARA software that we use here in AZ. This thread was originally intended only for SARA users, but some folks asked that a few Passport-specific items be added when no on one would start a separate Passport thread. So, I simply added a Passport area to the end of the first post and added that tip. Most tips work on both sets of software, but unfortunately this is one that doesn't.
post #784 of 8829
For what it's worth, Cablevision has hinted to us that an upcoming version of SARA will have a 128x FF/RW added. Still would prefer a 15 or 30 min skip, but 128x is better than 64x.
post #785 of 8829
As long as they improve the FF at the same time. Mine freeze frames sometimes and takes a while to catch up (usually forcing me to rewind as the commercials will have already finished).
post #786 of 8829
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Originally posted by Lampei
As long as they improve the FF at the same time. Mine freeze frames sometimes and takes a while to catch up (usually forcing me to rewind as the commercials will have already finished).

That got fixed on my last download.

Here's something interesting I found out. I had a 40 hour power outage due to a snow storm in my area starting Sunday just before 9:00 pm est. As a result several shows did not get recorded.

After the power returned yesterday I double checked my "to be recorded" list, and all of the shows that did not get recorded were not listed any longer.

I've noticed that as soon as a show starts recording that you have a "record all showings, time slot" that as soon as the recording starts it already has the next weeks showing on the 8300's to do list. So apparently when a show gets missed due to something like a black out you will need to add those shows back on again.

Dave, I don't know if this has been talked about before but you may want to add this to your tips.
post #787 of 8829
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Originally posted by hookbill
Dave, I don't know if this has been talked about before but you may want to add this to your tips.

I will do that. I'm not sure how this would happen, but it should be easy enough to duplicate, just pull the power cable for 40 hours.

I do believe though that I read a post or 2 somewhere about this, though it was not due to a power outage, but to simply leaving the 8300 unplugged for a certain amount of time, like when moving to a new home, etc. I've got too many things to record for the next couple of weeks to try to duplicate this, but maybe some others can confirm it for us, though I certainly believe you.

On another note, for those of you discussing FF speeds, AFAIK the current speeds are 4x, 10x, and 30x, but they may have increased with the latest software release. The freeze has indeed been fixed and my Tips post includes ideas on how to minimize the freeze for those who still have older software. The key is how quickly or slowly you hit the FF/REW buttons. Of course, all this applies to SARA software, folks need to be careful not to start confusing SARA with Passport and I urge newbies to verify their software before posting.
post #788 of 8829
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Originally posted by lexluthor
For what it's worth, Cablevision has hinted to us that an upcoming version of SARA will have a 128x FF/RW added. Still would prefer a 15 or 30 min skip, but 128x is better than 64x.

What's really needed is a ruled slider like those you see on PCs. It should show the length with 1, 2 or 5 minute ticks and let you slide an arrow to the point where you want to start.
post #789 of 8829
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Originally posted by DoubleDAZ

On another note, for those of you discussing FF speeds, AFAIK the current speeds are 4x, 30x, and 100x.

Are you sure? I thought it was 4x, 32x and 64x, at least on my system. The difference between 64x and 100x would be easy to test, I suppose, if I have the time.
post #790 of 8829
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No, I'm not sure and I have no clue where I pulled those numbers from. I've edited my post to give the original 4/10/30 speeds with the caveat that they may have increased with later software releases. I would be interested to know just how you verify actual speeds, though I suppose you could simply time how long it takes to get to a specific spot with each speed. Thanks for keeping me honest, not that I was trying to be dishonest.

Edit: It just took 3 minutes to FF2 and 1 minute to FF3 through a 30 minute program, so I guess I can safely say my speeds using the latest SARA software are 4x, 10x, and 30x.
post #791 of 8829
Have a question....my 8300HD has turned off at least a half dozen times in the last 10 days and rebooted. Most recent is yesterday and this morning at approx the same time, around 5:30am. Cox is sending over a tech to check it out tomorrow, everything was working okay up until 10 days ago. Should I do a hard reboot or just let the tech come out?
post #792 of 8829
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Originally posted by ayanomich
Have a question....my 8300HD has turned off at least a half dozen times in the last 10 days and rebooted. Most recent is yesterday and this morning at approx the same time, around 5:30am. Cox is sending over a tech to check it out tomorrow, everything was working okay up until 10 days ago. Should I do a hard reboot or just let the tech come out?

Depending on the software you have installed perhaps it's suppose to turn off if you leave it on. The one's in my area all do that, it's suppose to get fixed during the next upgrade.

What good would a hard reboot do, if in fact it's already rebooting?

Sounds to me like you got a CSR who doesn't know what they are talking about. I'd let the tech come out and see what he has to say.
post #793 of 8829
what if the sleep mod is active..but no he said reboot..so its the firmware being uploaded mybe...

anyhow
post #794 of 8829
I am using the 8300HD with component on my Grand Wega II. The 8300HD has HDMI capability and the GWII (which has DVI) manual says it supports the hardware protection, so I am assuming that I can use a converter to use HDMI if necessary?

Also, I can't get the GWII to use its zooming modes (I like Wide Zoom) on SD. It defaults to FULL and can't be changed. I believe the box is set up with 480i (default) for SD. Any way around this problem? I don't like the zoom mode that comes out of the box (which does work), I want to use the GWII mode. How can I do this? Would going through the HDMI port make this work?
post #795 of 8829
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Originally posted by LukieDog
I am using the 8300HD with component on my Grand Wega II. The 8300HD has HDMI capability and the GWII (which has DVI) manual says it supports the hardware protection, so I am assuming that I can use a converter to use HDMI if necessary?

Yes, just get an HDMI/DVI connector. You can get them on ebay for about 20 bucks.

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Also, I can't get the GWII to use its zooming modes (I like Wide Zoom) on SD. It defaults to FULL and can't be changed. I believe the box is set up with 480i (default) for SD. Any way around this problem? I don't like the zoom mode that comes out of the box (which does work), I want to use the GWII mode. How can I do this? Would going through the HDMI port make this work?

You probably have your machine set to 1080i only. You'll need to go to the set up. With you set on and your cable box off take your remote in hand and walk up to the 8300. Press guide and info key on the unit at the same time. You will see a wizard come on screen. Choose advanced and follow the wizard.

I use 1080i, 720p, and 480p. This is my personal preference, however you may want to just use 10808 and 480i or 480p.
post #796 of 8829
First, I would suggest NOT using the converter as it adds mass to the cable and causes the cable to fall out of the SA8300. I'd istead recommend a HDMI-DVI cable such as this:

http://www.monoprices.com/products/s...d=10231&style=

Regarding your widescreen issue: you should have the picture format set to "Passthrough" ("Auto-DVI" if using HDMI connection) and have 1080i, 720p and 480i enabled. That way the SA8300 will passthrough the native signal to your Sony, letting it do the scaling & zooming. To set this hit the Settings button twice and scroll to find "Picture Format" setting.
post #797 of 8829
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Originally posted by davehancock
First, I would suggest NOT using the converter as it adds mass to the cable and causes the cable to fall out of the SA8300. I'd istead recommend a HDMI-DVI cable such as this:

http://www.monoprices.com/products/s...d=10231&style=



That's a good price, but it is the same thing I was recommending.
post #798 of 8829
hookbill,

Monster sells an "adapter" that lists for $30 that goes on the end of a DVI cable. I purchased one of those and I know from experience that cables with that on the end tend to fall out. I just wanted to make sure that people don't buy those, unless they have some means of supporting the cable and have room (6 inches or more) behind the 8300 for it. The attached photo shows what I mean. The DVI cable with Monster adapter is on the right and the monoprice cable is on the left.

post #799 of 8829
Opps,

Here is the photo (I hope):
LL
post #800 of 8829
Yeah, I've never seen that before. Anyway anything that has the name Monster on it translates to "you paid too much" so I'd never recommend anything from them.

It makes much more sense to purchase the HDMI/DVI cable.
post #801 of 8829
It makes more sense to just go ahead and get a whole new cable (10'), just a few bucks more. 28AWG, is this heavy enough?

I do have the 8300HD in pass through mode and I also used the other two or three modes that come up in that menu and it does not seem to work, perhaps because I am using component rather than HDMI?
post #802 of 8829
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Originally posted by LukieDog
It makes more sense to just go ahead and get a whole new cable (10'), just a few bucks more. 28AWG, is this heavy enough?

I do have the 8300HD in pass through mode and I also used the other two or three modes that come up in that menu and it does not seem to work, perhaps because I am using component rather than HDMI?

As I said earlier I wouldn't buy anything from Monster. I'd buy the longer cable.

If you checked your setup and you are set up for 1080i, 720p, and 480i or 480p then your set will be able to change your screen UNLESS you are watching something in HD. When the Wega gets an HD signal it will go to full screen mode and you cannot change it.

Edited to add: This is true even if the program itself is not in HD, like ESPNHD it may be in 480i but you still get an HD signal so the Wega will not stretch. If that is the case and you want to stretch it then use the 8300's aspect ratio key.
post #803 of 8829
Thread Starter 
I think there are others besides Monster that makes those and while they tend to work, they do add bulk and I'd stay away from them for that reason alone. I think it was the original poster who mentioned a converter, but a HDMI-DVI cable costs about the same and is a far better solution even if you already have a DVI cable unless you absolutely want to use that cable (especially if you overpaid for the Monster brand name ).
post #804 of 8829
Problem solved. I did the guide and info hold down with the box off and it walked me through adding in the various modes. Had used the settings button on the remote only and apparently was not enough. The FULL stretch mode seems to work best with this box and the GWII, I preferred the WIDE ZOOM when using the VOOM box, I thought it looked better that way, can't say why.
post #805 of 8829
does anyone knwo that when you push the button next to zero (...to the right side of zero) it cycles through the resolutions that you set in the firmware???
i just found that out...i even asked the cable company and sicentific atlanta for my sa8300hd...they didint seem to knwo of its existance...
so i post it here sicne we are all on the same boat!!!

Martin
post #806 of 8829
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Originally posted by Prehjan
does anyone knwo that when you push the button next to zero (...to the right side of zero) it cycles through the resolutions that you set in the firmware???
i just found that out...i even asked the cable company and sicentific atlanta for my sa8300hd...they didint seem to knwo of its existance...
so i post it here sicne we are all on the same boat!!!

Martin

Are you talking about the aspect ratio key? That's what is in the position you describe on my remote. If that's what you mean then that's pretty common knowledge.

It's designed so you can stretch your screens without having to go through the settings. Nice if you need to use that feature, and I do from time to time.
post #807 of 8829
I know this thread is a) for tips & tricks, and b) for Cox systems.

I want to write about a) complaints, and b) I'm on Charter. Still, I hope I'm not too off-topic, because I can only begin to express how frustrated I am with Charter's lack of clue about the 8300, the mystery of why Charter doesn't push anything later than SARA 1.85.20.3, and the distance Scientific Atlanta is keeping away from any interest in the issues I'm asking about.

I've written up some 8300 behaviors I think are stupid, here, not to unite 8300 users in some kind of protest, but to shine some light on some valid user complaints (IMHO), and cause some action to be taken. [I won't call them bugs, because I don't know what the 8300/SARA spec says. Rather, these are observations of how the box doesn't meet my expectations.]

I've written elsewhere that I'm looking for a better HD DVR experience, whether from Charter, Dish, or Verizon. Without some improvement to the 8300, it'll be a no-brainer to drop Charter in a heartbeat.
post #808 of 8829
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Originally posted by StevenZ
I know this thread is a) for tips & tricks, and b) for Cox systems.

Then why post about something else?

As long as you are just letting folks know about your other thread, that's okay, but please don't start a discussion here. This thread is already long enough and virtually every complaint has been discussed to death. We all know there are limitiations, some severe in some people's minds, but this is not the thread to rehash all that. This thread is for helping folks make the most of the options that are there, not create a laundry list of what isn't or bash the 8300. If you want to do that, keep it in the other thread or, better yet, drop Charter, go buy a Tivo-HD, and switch to DirecTV, you get what you pay for and IMHO the 8300 does a fine job for my money.

As far as the thread title, I don't care if the thread is limited to Cox and SARA. The title was changed by the AVS gods, not by me, because they thought someone might want to create a separate tips thread for Passport, Charter, TWC, etc. No one seems to have taken on that task and at least one Passport tip was added to the first post here. FWIW, there was a TWC thread at one time when the 8300 first started rolling out, but bashing killed it and pushed out TWC-Diana, who was VERY helpful and it misses. I'd hate to see the same thing happen to this thread.
post #809 of 8829
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Originally posted by DoubleDAZ
Then why post about something else?

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Originally posted by StevenZ
...because [of] how frustrated I am...

I don't want to steer this thread off of tips and tricks.
I'd like to see a tip for how to get S/A to improve SARA and a trick for getting Charter to push it to my 8300
post #810 of 8829
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Originally posted by StevenZ
I don't want to steer this thread off of tips and tricks.
I'd like to see a tip for how to get S/A to improve SARA and a trick for getting Charter to push it to my 8300

I understand your frustration with the 8300, I too get frustrated but as Dave said you have to take cost into consideration. You want to push your cable company to upgrade software, but it may be that their equipment may not be able to upgrade a this time.

SA has created a HD capable DVR that has to run on many different cable systems. And you get it for 7 to 10 bucks a month. Is it as sweet as some of the other DVR's? No, but considereing what your paying for a dual tuner HD DVR your getting your moneys worth.

There really is nothing you can do to push your cable company, trust me they do things at their own pace. When you do get an upgrade it may be simply because they have changed equiptment to match what SA has. That all takes money. And you know where that money will come? From your pocket.
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