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post #8611 of 8824
Thanks to all for their replies.... I am in canada and with rogers btw. I did a last "last resort" reset. It still runs 24/7 but I do notice at a much cooler temp.. say slightly above body temp.... so it worked kinda... I think it may have been stuck in defrag mode before Its hard to say and yes you cant go more than 7 days in advance Iev noticed that too! I do shut it off every time and have both tuners on dvr channel. The cooler is a great idea but my hdd is in the 8300.. I swapped out the old existing drive with a wd10ears.
post #8612 of 8824
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Originally Posted by Brett CR View Post

It still runs 24/7 but I do notice at a much cooler temp.. say slightly above body temp.... so it worked kinda..

Besides rebooting, there is another trick to get the internal HDD to spin down. Detach the coax cable for a few hours (obviously not when you want to record something and will not be viewing any recorded program). If it has been detached long enough the HDD should have stopped spinning. Now, reconnect the coax cable. Repeat next time the HDD starts running constantly.
post #8613 of 8824
I detached the coax cable, and yes it stopped spinning. I re attached and its been spinning for the last two hours... Ill leave it be for a while Ive read the hdd can randomly stop and run constantly at completely random intervals so we'll see... it was stopping minutes after Id turn it off. Maybe itll go back to this. Thanks for the tip
post #8614 of 8824
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by domino92024 View Post

Please, don't tell me you're another Zonie summering in San Diego.

Nope, spent a few days in Texas (SE/Houston) and am now in New Orleans on our wat to North Carolina for 3 weeks and then 4 weeks in Wisconsin.
post #8615 of 8824
I certainly have read, many times, the excellent first post describing how to set up the screen formatting; but I still get confused. So, some more inquiries and hopefully, a little more understanding on my part.

8300 formatting set to 480p, 720p, and 1080i; hdmi from 8300 to TV.

SD channels, by TV read 480i/Just, by 8300 read Normal 480i, a very large majority of the SD channels show no bars. However, bars do show on top and bottom on some SD channels. 8300 zoom does eliminate the bars and reads zoom 1/2 1080i, although I really can't tell the difference between 480i and 1080i in SD. Also, therer are some channels that show bars top/bottom and sides, all eliminated by 8300 (1080i) zoom. Overall, channel changing is swift and I can handle the slight distortion of Just given that there is a full screen to view (almost all the time). So, why do some of the channels show bars and when I 8300 zoom, how come it goes to 1080i?

HD channels, by TV read 720p/Full or 1080i/Full and the 8300 reads Normal 720p or Normal 1080i. Picture is full sized and channels change quickly.

Once again, overall, I get full sized pictures in both SD and HD and channels change quickly, and hardly anhy channels with bars. I feel that my main compromise is the Just formatting in SD. Nonethelss, if this can be improved upon (now don't hold back), I'm very willing to make changes.

Thanks.
post #8616 of 8824
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Originally Posted by Barry928 View Post

Do others with the 8300HD notice that sometimes the 1080i channels jitter up and down. If I change to another 1080i or 720p channel the jitter remains but if I switch to a 480p channel the jitter stops and now all the HD channels are also jitter free. This is most common at initial power up on a preset HD 1080i channel.

I've had my SA 8300HD (Cox) for many years. I recently bought an LG 47LD650 HDTV, via HDMI (direct -- no A/V receiver). I now often notice an extremely annoying high-speed vertical jitter, especially on news and sports channels with lots of graphics. It only moves up and down a few milimeters, but it's so distracting. No such problem on this tv when input is regular TV (i.e. cable-tv through coax, rather than thru the 8300).

I searched the forum and found a complaints about this problem going back years, but no solutions other than the above-quoted work-around (from a different section of the forum). I was either lucky or oblivious until now.

The only way I have found to kill the jitter problem is to switch to an SD station, and from then on there's no jitter on any station, until the 8300 is powered off. So what I've done is set "Viewer: Power On" to an SD station. This is ridiculous, but I haven't found any other solution.

Just wondering if anyone else has a better solution. How and why SA has allowed this problem to persist for so many years is astounding.
post #8617 of 8824
I'll guess it is combination of box, TV, HDMI issue. I'll bet if you switched to component cables you wouldn't have this problem.

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Originally Posted by ej76az View Post

I've had my SA 8300HD (Cox) for many years. I recently bought an LG 47LD650 HDTV, via HDMI (direct -- no A/V receiver). I now often notice an extremely annoying high-speed vertical jitter, especially on news and sports channels with lots of graphics. It only moves up and down a few milimeters, but it's so distracting. No such problem on this tv when input is regular TV (i.e. cable-tv through coax, rather than thru the 8300).

I searched the forum and found a complaints about this problem going back years, but no solutions other than the above-quoted work-around (from a different section of the forum). I was either lucky or oblivious until now.

The only way I have found to kill the jitter problem is to switch to an SD station, and from then on there's no jitter on any station, until the 8300 is powered off. So what I've done is set "Viewer: Power On" to an SD station. This is ridiculous, but I haven't found any other solution.

Just wondering if anyone else has a better solution. How and why SA has allowed this problem to persist for so many years is astounding.
post #8618 of 8824
A disturbing trend has developed. My box just randomly stops recording programs about the half hour mark. It used to be that on Fox the recordings would stop at SOME commercials and then restart and I wouldn't miss any of the program. Now I seem to just get random stops, usually around the 30 minute mark, and no restart. So far it only happens on TNT and Fox.

Any ideas or is this just something I am stuck with?
post #8619 of 8824
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

A disturbing trend has developed. My box just randomly stops recording programs about the half hour mark. It used to be that on Fox the recordings would stop at SOME commercials and then restart and I wouldn't miss any of the program. Now I seem to just get random stops, usually around the 30 minute mark, and no restart. So far it only happens on TNT and Fox.

Any ideas or is this just something I am stuck with?

I have a 8240HDC (same as a 8300HDC, but digital only.) I was recently (about a month ago) switched from SARA to Passport Echo for my IPG. Since then, I have had three recordings stop early. One after only a few minutes, two at about the 30 minute mark. I've received no replies to my inquiries from Cox tech support. No failures in the last week.
post #8620 of 8824
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Originally Posted by domino92024 View Post

I have a 8240HDC (same as a 8300HDC, but digital only.) I was recently (about a month ago) switched from SARA to Passport Echo for my IPG. Since then, I have had three recordings stop early. One after only a few minutes, two at about the 30 minute mark. I've received no replies to my inquiries from Cox tech support. No failures in the last week.

Still on SARA here in Phoenix, with an SA8240HDC. I have had only a couple of recordings stop early, and both times it was near the end not during a commercial break. I figured it was probably an error in the program data and its length or ending time.

On a similar note, I have had a few recordings completely disappear from the list after the recording had completed. I even rescheduled a repeat recording of one of the same programs and actually watched the live program delayed by about 10min. As soon as the program stopped recording it jumped me to the live feed and the recorded program in the list was again gone. I have no idea what happened there. Possibly a wrong copy flag on that program?
post #8621 of 8824
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Originally Posted by Bryan_CoxPHX View Post

Still on SARA here in Phoenix, with an SA8240HDC. I have had only a couple of recordings stop early, and both times it was near the end not during a commercial break. I figured it was probably an error in the program data and its length or ending time.

On a similar note, I have had a few recordings completely disappear from the list after the recording had completed. I even rescheduled a repeat recording of one of the same programs and actually watched the live program delayed by about 10min. As soon as the program stopped recording it jumped me to the live feed and the recorded program in the list was again gone. I have no idea what happened there. Possibly a wrong copy flag on that program?

On a similar note, I have had a few recordings completely disappear from the list after the recording had completed.

It Happened again this week on Wed July 21st the program was Psych on USA Network. I saw it recording and when it finished. It was gone from the DVR List??
post #8622 of 8824
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Originally Posted by Bryan_CoxPHX View Post

On a similar note, I have had a few recordings completely disappear from the list after the recording had completed.

It Happened again this week on Wed July 21st the program was Psych on USA Network. I saw it recording and when it finished. It was gone from the DVR List??

Hmmm...that's never happened to me - with SARA or Passport Echo.

How full is your drive? Do you have an external drive connected?

[BTW...I stopped watching Psych. The constant bickering between the two main characters finally got to me.]
post #8623 of 8824
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Originally Posted by domino92024 View Post

Hmmm...that's never happened to me - with SARA or Passport Echo.

How full is your drive? Do you have an external drive connected?

[BTW...I stopped watching Psych. The constant bickering between the two main characters finally got to me.]

Yes, I have an Ext. eSATA HDD, WD Caviar Black 1TB WD1001FALS no enclosure, works great, It is now about 40% full but has been as much as 80% full.
Here is a PDF Print out of my Set-Up.

This is only the third time this has happened. The first 2X were the same concert on Palladia. I think possibly a wrong copy flag on those programs?
post #8624 of 8824
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Originally Posted by Bryan_CoxPHX View Post

Yes, I have an Ext. eSATA HDD, WD Caviar Black 1TB WD1001FALS no enclosure, works great, It is now about 40% full but has been as much as 80% full.
Here is a PDF Print out of my Set-Up.

This is only the third time this has happened. The first 2X were the same concert on Palladia. I think possibly a wrong copy flag on those programs?

I'd be interested in knowing if the problem occurs with the external HDD disconnected.
post #8625 of 8824
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Originally Posted by domino92024 View Post

I'd be interested in knowing if the problem occurs with the external HDD disconnected.

Yes, It did with the second attempt at the recording of the concert on Palladia. My first thought too was the Ext. HDD, but turned out not to be the case.
post #8626 of 8824
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Originally Posted by Bryan_CoxPHX View Post

Yes, It did with the second attempt at the recording of the concert on Palladia. My first thought too was the Ext. HDD, but turned out not to be the case.

In that case, I'm out of ideas. Maybe there's a bad sector on the HDD. Maybe a reformat is called for. Or maybe a different DVR. In either case, I'd start viewing whatever saved shows you want to watch! Better now than when the Fall season begins.
post #8627 of 8824
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Originally Posted by domino92024 View Post

In that case, I'm out of ideas. Maybe there's a bad sector on the HDD. Maybe a reformat is called for. Or maybe a different DVR. In either case, I'd start viewing whatever saved shows you want to watch! Better now than when the Fall season begins.

This is 3 isolated instances and only 2 different programs over a period of several months, I am not concerned, I simply pointed out the facts. I think the possibility of an incorrect "no copy" flag on those 2 programs is more likely than a problem with the DVR or Ext HDD.
post #8628 of 8824
Hi Everybody,
I have an 8300HD with cablevision. The past week my power went out 6 times! (Got to love LIPA). It is finally back and stable, but I can't play anything that was recorded on my 1TB myDVR expander. I have tried rebooting and connecting in different combination, no such luck. I get the message saying the drive is connected, but when I try to play a show, it never loads. I am hoping the drive is not dead as my wife has a number of show finales left on it to watch. Any suggestions?

Thanks!
post #8629 of 8824
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Originally Posted by kabe586 View Post

Hi Everybody,
I have an 8300HD with cablevision. The past week my power went out 6 times! (Got to love LIPA). It is finally back and stable, but I can't play anything that was recorded on my 1TB myDVR expander. I have tried rebooting and connecting in different combination, no such luck. I get the message saying the drive is connected, but when I try to play a show, it never loads. I am hoping the drive is not dead as my wife has a number of show finales left on it to watch. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Your hard drive power supply is probably weak or dying and not able to supply enough constant current for correct steady stream operation. It's a fairly common issue with power fluctuations and DC power supplies in general. Do you hear it spin up when applying power? Do you have another compatible power supply anywhere?
Worst case scenario is that the Sata port got zapped by the power fluctuations and is no longer accessible.

veggas
post #8630 of 8824
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Originally Posted by BPlayer View Post

Besides rebooting, there is another trick to get the internal HDD to spin down. Detach the coax cable for a few hours (obviously not when you want to record something and will not be viewing any recorded program). If it has been detached long enough the HDD should have stopped spinning. Now, reconnect the coax cable. Repeat next time the HDD starts running constantly.

I am with Rogers in Ottawa.

I have a WD10EARS in a eSata and it works, but I am having ocasional freezing and artifacts.

I was wondering about jumping 7,8 for compatability as well as jumping 5,6 to slow drive to sata I.

How did you install Sata drive internally? Did you use converter to EIDE.

My drive runs virtually cold when not recording or viewing with hardly any activity.
post #8631 of 8824
It seems that the Caviar Green is problematic. I had one. I gave up on it- too many glitches (picture and sound stutter). This happened especially when recording a couple of shows and watching another in HD. I tried jumpers to no avail.

I swapped it out for a Caviar Black and have had no troubles since.

As a side note, I put the Green in my computer and it worked fine for a few months until it froze my computer at boot. I had to unplug it and haven't had time to check it out further.

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Originally Posted by tinman1948 View Post

I am with Rogers in Ottawa.

I have a WD10EARS in a eSata and it works, but I am having ocasional freezing and artifacts.

I was wondering about jumping 7,8 for compatability as well as jumping 5,6 to slow drive to sata I.

How did you install Sata drive internally? Did you use converter to EIDE.

My drive runs virtually cold when not recording or viewing with hardly any activity.
post #8632 of 8824
I have the explored 8300hd.How do I fix the freezing when watching vod?
post #8633 of 8824
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Originally Posted by 4evrKnight View Post

I have the explored 8300hd.How do I fix the freezing when watching vod?

Make a service call to your provider.
post #8634 of 8824
so I believe my 8300 is now hosed...

it cycles through the following sequence, continually:

-nu-
Blank and making a click sound then making a booting up sound.

Then it goes:

ER. 51
FR LA
FR 00
Then starts with
r480 and goes down to 0. including letters f-a at the end.

I unplugged the box for about an hour or more. same thing. no externals drives or anything else plugged into the dvr, just the dvr itself

Patrick
post #8635 of 8824
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Originally Posted by pglenn View Post

so I believe my 8300 is now hosed...

it cycles through the following sequence, continually:

-nu-
Blank and making a click sound then making a booting up sound.

Then it goes:

ER. 51
FR LA
FR 00
Then starts with
r480 and goes down to 0. including letters f-a at the end.

I unplugged the box for about an hour or more. same thing. no externals drives or anything else plugged into the dvr, just the dvr itself

Patrick

You can try the following before swapping the box.
These procedures are documented in the first post in this thread.

Total Reset. From AVS - vegggas:

I don't think this is common knowledge, but it could save many users a lot of grief. Most failed units can be revived with total reset performed by user, depending on failure type. Instead of replacing unit and losing your shows, try this trick as last (or first) resort. This is known to reset unit no longer displaying Video, unable to lock on to one/both tuners, unable to read Hard Drive, or no longer able to get a download (display counting or hunting).
Complete reset can be done by removing power and all connections for an extended amount of time. This means remove power cable, coax cable(s), eSATA cable, everything, so it can fully discharge capacitors and memory. This can take anywhere from 4 - 24 hours (although it MIGHT work in less than 30 Min), so pick a time that you are not going to be using unit, like overnight and while at work.
After leaving it disconnected overnight, repower it (but don't turn it on) with just the basic connections (no eSATA) and let it sit until it gets a full download, which could take a long time. Basic OS download should be complete once you see time, or dot (depending on your settings), appear on front panel, usually within 3-7 minutes. IPG may take up to an hour, but unit could be turned on at this point.
If it works, unpower unit and reconnect as normal, consider yourself lucky you didn't have to swap it out.
BTW, leaving unit off while repowering and downloading is always a good idea and should be done whenver you may reboot unit. Powering on while downloading OS can result in early fragmentation of memory and erratic results.


Last Resort (Reformat).

If for some reason you can't get STB to do what you want and you've rebooted it by unplugging it, etc., this is a "last resort" item - say just before taking unit back, you can try reformatting the HDD. The format operation resets all data on the DVR, including all recordings, preferences and scheduled recordings. It is a "factory fresh" reset.

When doing the format procedure, there are times where it won't always "take" and will have to be redone again. The procedure is to get the mail light blinking from the remote control by holding down the pause button. Once blinking do not press anything else except the page down (page -) button on the remote three times while watching the display. The display should say something like HDD-1 and then HDD-2 or HDD-F. Once on the setting you want (typically the third press) leave it alone and put the remote down. In a few minutes, the DVR will reboot and reformat on it's own. Once complete in about 10 to 15 minutes (depending on RDC and FDC signal level quality) the unit will be available to be turned on, but it's best to leave it off and come back at a later time after it has completely downloaded all of the guide data and info.

1) Press and hold PAUSE until Mail led is lit.
2) Press PAGE down or (-), and then press LIST three times.
3) Turn box off. When turned back on, formatting will begin.
post #8636 of 8824
Maybe I'm losing it, but aren't the last paragraph and the three step summary in conflict?

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Originally Posted by RussB View Post

You can try the following before swapping the box.
These procedures are documented in the first post in this thread.

Total Reset. From AVS - vegggas:



Last Resort (Reformat).

If for some reason you can't get STB to do what you want and you've rebooted it by unplugging it, etc., this is a "last resort" item - say just before taking unit back, you can try reformatting the HDD. The format operation resets all data on the DVR, including all recordings, preferences and scheduled recordings. It is a "factory fresh" reset.

When doing the format procedure, there are times where it won't always "take" and will have to be redone again. The procedure is to get the mail light blinking from the remote control by holding down the pause button. Once blinking do not press anything else except the page down (page -) button on the remote three times while watching the display. The display should say something like HDD-1 and then HDD-2 or HDD-F. Once on the setting you want (typically the third press) leave it alone and put the remote down. In a few minutes, the DVR will reboot and reformat on it's own. Once complete in about 10 to 15 minutes (depending on RDC and FDC signal level quality) the unit will be available to be turned on, but it's best to leave it off and come back at a later time after it has completely downloaded all of the guide data and info.

1) Press and hold PAUSE until Mail led is lit.
2) Press PAGE down or (-), and then press LIST three times.
3) Turn box off. When turned back on, formatting will begin.
post #8637 of 8824
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

Maybe I'm losing it, but aren't the last paragraph and the three step summary in conflict?

You are correct. Since this is a last resort, just try both and see which one works.
post #8638 of 8824
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by RussB View Post

You are correct. Since this is a last resort, just try both and see which one works.

Good suggestion, Russ. vegggas might see this and let me know what is right so I can correct it, but it's been worded that way for many years now. So, either no one has followed the instructions or they work the way the steps are laid out or they work both ways. That is one set of instructions I've never had a reason to test for myself.
post #8639 of 8824
I unplugged it from power (left all other cables attached) overnite, then plugged back in next morning, it booted just fine. I then unplugged it again and left it unplugged all day, when I returned back from work I pligged it in again and it booted again just fine. seems to be working now but still worried something hidden is still wrong. I may try to de-frag it over the weekend.

patrick
post #8640 of 8824
Couple of things. First, why didn't you unplug the coax cable like the instructions say?

Second, if it is working now, I wouldn't worry too much about another imminent failure. I have seen mine look like it was toast, but if it comes back it seems to last. Just the other day I wasn't getting some channels and decided to reboot. It never came back on! Couple of more boots and extra long waits and it came back and is just fine now.

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Originally Posted by pglenn View Post

I unplugged it from power (left all other cables attached) overnite, then plugged back in next morning, it booted just fine. I then unplugged it again and left it unplugged all day, when I returned back from work I pligged it in again and it booted again just fine. seems to be working now but still worried something hidden is still wrong. I may try to de-frag it over the weekend.

patrick
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