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post #91 of 8829
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by vegggas
It's an option in all versions of the 8000 SD/HD and 8300 SD/HD, as long as the IPG supports it.

I should have thought of that, I knew it was already int eh software, duh... I should have asked what cableco and location.
post #92 of 8829
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Originally posted by kevinivey
The guide never says "new" or "repeat" on my TWC system.

Mine sometimes has an "R" in there and I assume it means repeat. I haven't seen it in a while however. I'm with Adelphia Cable.
post #93 of 8829
A noob question:

I just got the SA8300HD and recorded 4 hours of HD prgramming. The box showed me already used 20% of the disc space. That's about 20 hours total HD programming I can record. Does that sound right?
post #94 of 8829
20 hours of HD recording is what to expect with a 160GB hard drive.
post #95 of 8829
Thanks, Jim. I was expecting more. Time to get the extern SATA disc
post #96 of 8829
An external would be nice. I don't think it's supported, though. It's one of those "future enhancements".
post #97 of 8829
FYI

The HDCP errors are not specific to the 8300. I have a 4200HD and have the same problem when I turn off my PJ. All the outputs show the error until I reset the box. I am using the DVI out of the box to the HDMI input on the projector. As long as the PJ is on, no problems.

No "overnight" issues.
post #98 of 8829
Regarding to HDCP error, SA3250HD used to do just that (even when I switch TV to a different input) until latest firmware. It's an implementation/firmware issue. I haven't try the HDMI port on my 8300HD yet (my HDMI->DVI cable is back ordered) but my 3250HD is now rock solid with HDCP connection lately. If SA can fix 3250HD, there is no reason it can't release a firmware to fix 8300HD HDCP issue. Or maybe it already did but your local cable co. didn't push it out.
post #99 of 8829
Thread Starter 
Hi All and Happy New Year!

I updated the first post with information from this thread about the possible workaround for the Auto Shut-off feature. If anyone has anything else they think should be included in the first post, please let me know so I can add it. Also, if anyone discovers any specific info on the Auto Shut-off workaround, like specific time constraints, etc., let me know that too.
post #100 of 8829
Thread Starter 
I set the Timer to turn off at 8 am and the 8300HD still did the auto shut-off. So, there must be some time constraint and I assume it might need to be between 1-6 am.
post #101 of 8829
JUst curious I may need to read in to the thread further but why is no one using the HDMI output on the 8300 . Cables can be had reasonable on the web .. and i don't mean 125.00 Monster cable either .. Settings are the same settings twice scroll to pic size and select stretch.. I saw a post warlier with a panny so that would definitley be a hdmi to hdmi connection .Digital Audio and Digital video in 1 cable love it ..
post #102 of 8829
I've had the HDMI hooked up on mine since day one. Works great. Even ananlog channels look better. I'm with Adelphia cable and have a Sony Wega 30" 16x9 CRT television.
post #103 of 8829
I have Time Warner Cable and was told that none of the interactive features such as In demand and PPV would work using HDMI.
post #104 of 8829
Just have component cables hooked up as well when you want to use those features (if that's true)...
post #105 of 8829
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Originally posted by billatlakegeorge
I have Time Warner Cable and was told that none of the interactive features such as In demand and PPV would work using HDMI.

I rarely use PPV and I don't have on demand (why would you want that with a DVR?). Since I haven't tried it I can't say for certain but common sense tells me it should work. How in the heck can a connector from a outgoing port have anything to do with recording ppv info?

I never have been able to hook up component video on my 8300. It looks all purple like it's not connected properly. I don't know why, I did use component when I had the 8000.
post #106 of 8829
dvdguru,
I don't have HDMI but can't see any reason PPV and IN Demand wouldn't work for viewing. Since they have never copy set, you can't record a paid event / movie but it has nothing to do with HDMI. I can't record PPV and In Demand with componant outs in use either but I can view them.

TerryB
post #107 of 8829
I've used HDMI to connect to DVI on my Panny since Day 1. No problem with Time Warner PPV or In Demand. I also have component output to the Panny, and that works too.
post #108 of 8829
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Originally posted by mainemojo
I've used HDMI to connect to DVI on my Panny since Day 1. No problem with Time Warner PPV or In Demand. I also have component output to the Panny, and that works too.

Same here, use the HDMI to DVI adapter to connect to DVI on my Panny. No issues except for the HDCP handshaking that occurs when the STB has been permitted to power off on its own at night. Setting the timer fixed the issue (as I've mentioned before).
post #109 of 8829
I apologize for not reading this whole thread first, but I was wondering if this thread is relevant to those of us with the SA 8300 HD not using SARA (whatever that is?) and/or Cox Cable?

Are there other threads for the other cable carriers?
post #110 of 8829
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Originally posted by BustHDTV
I apologize for not reading this whole thread first, but I was wondering if this thread is relevant to those of us with the SA 8300 HD not using SARA (whatever that is?) and/or Cox Cable?

Are there other threads for the other cable carriers?

There is another thread for SA 8300. Do a search to find it. SARA is software in the SA 8300 (at least in my unit). As far as Cox Cable goes, I chirp in here once and a while and I don't have Cox Cable.
post #111 of 8829
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by BustHDTV
I apologize for not reading this whole thread first, but I was wondering if this thread is relevant to those of us with the SA 8300 HD not using SARA (whatever that is?) and/or Cox Cable?

If you don't know what SARA is, how do you know you are not using it?

Technically, it is only relative to SARA and Cox-Phoenix, where I've tested the contents of the first post (Tips & Tricks). As you'll find out, even systems using the same software (SARA or PASSPORT) will enable different options depending on what they feel comfortable with. Within this thread, there may be discussions of options that work differently depending on location and how it's implemented there.

There is another 8300 thread that deals mostly with HDMI/DVI connections, but both threads discuss more than the topics suggest.

There are no SA8300HD TWC/Comcast/whatever threads. I'm not even sure there are 8300's running anything right now but SARA for that matter. I don't know of any tips you can try that would hurt your system if it didn't work. I've tried to keep the first post updated with whatever was added in the thread. That way you don't have to read the whole thread to find the latest tips.
post #112 of 8829
Time Warner Orders DVR Sidecars'

Regarding external hard drives for extra storage capicity.

new thread at: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=491661

NOTE: They merged my thread with another, so I changed the link above.
post #113 of 8829
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Originally posted by hookbill
I've had the HDMI hooked up on mine since day one. Works great. Even ananlog channels look better. I'm with Adelphia cable and have a Sony Wega 30" 16x9 CRT television.

I just got an HDMI cable and HD channels look a tad bit crisper over HDMI but my analog and other digital channels look worse when compared to component connection. I do not think this is due to the HDMI cable or the 8300, I think it's probably just due to the way my TV handles 480i 4x3 material over HDMI. I don't think it is "expecting" SD material through this port. My TV is Hitachi 51F510 (CRT-RP). Fortunately it is not that big of a problem since I have a free S-video connection to the TV available and this connection really provides the best 480i picture of all. Since the box can output from both the HDMI and S-video simultaneously, I just use the S-Video when viewing 480i.

One nice thing about the HDMI connection (at least on my TV) is that I seem to get less overscan on the HDTV channels with this connection than I do with the component connection. I noticed this when viewing material on Discovery HD. When viewing on component the right lower logo (when it does come on) is slightly off the screen. When viewing through HDMI, it is completely on the screen.....

Keith
post #114 of 8829
LVKeith,

Great suggestion. I just hooked up an svideo cable and the 480i channels are 100 times better. Easy to just switch inputs to HDMI when I want to watch HD.

Awesome. Thanks.

Would using a component cable be worse then using s-video? Would composite be worse than S-video?

I guess the question is, is S-video the best mode to watch 480i programming in?

EDIT: Component connection gives me the same quality as HDMI on 480i, s-video is much better still. I'd assume s-video would beat composite.
post #115 of 8829
Actually, after playing around a little more with all the settings, 480i (analog and digital channels) look OK through HDMI if I have the box convert them to 480p (I can use "upconvert 1" setting to do this). I think this is very much display specific. It even looks a little better on some material than my S-Video connection.

Like I said in my previous post, I really think that 480i sent as 480i over the HDMI cable doesn't really look that good because of my display's shortcomings. I don't think it knows what to do with a 4x3 480i signal that is sent digitally over the HDMI cable. It has no "processing" for this so it just upconverts the raw signal to 1080i (Hitachi's and many other RPCRT's convert everything to 1080i or 540p), and that is why it doesn't look that good. When it see's a 480p signal on the HDMI, it sees this as a "high definition" signal and knows what to do with it.

I guess the point of all of this is that it is probably going to be very display specific as to how 480i signals will look on an HDMI connection and most likely on other connections as well. The may look better on composite, S-video, etc. on some sets. I would try them all out and then stick with what looks the best (and is not too inconvenient).

The only drawback for me in using the "upconvert 1" mode is that my 720p channels (ABC, FOX, ESPN) are sent converted to 1080i. I find that on the HDMI cable these look a very sight bit better when sent the raw 720i signal over HDMI which lets my display upconvert it to 1080i. However, the big improvement in the 480i-480p convervsion makes it worthwhile - and I can always switch back to fixed mode if I will be watching something for a long period of time (eg sports/movies) on one of the 702p channels.

As a final note, I do remember some posts (I believe they were on the SA3250 thread) that indicated that 480i looked best over composite cables. The posters seemed to think that was because their display's comb filter was active using this connection and not active using an S-video connection. On my current set (Hitachi 51F510) this is not the case.

Keith
post #116 of 8829
Very interesting. I'm with you, I'd rather have my set convert the 720p signal to 1080i then have the box do it for me, but quite honestly I can't see any difference. I'll have to look into the upconvert 1 and see how that does in comparison to my HDMI upconverting to whatever. While I do think that my picture did imporve over composite video, it still is not that great. If I don't see an improvement with the upconvert 1 setting I might try the S-Video. I'll just have to pick up an S-Video cord.
post #117 of 8829
My TV doesn't seem to want to strech 480p over HDMI, so I can't really test out your theory on my TV. It strecthes 480p over s-video no problem and it stretches 480i over HDMI, but not 480p over HDMI.

I have a Panny RPTV.

The Panny doesn't do 720p, so upconvert1 would have been fine for me.

I'll just stick with the 2 inputs..not a big deal.
post #118 of 8829
If you want your STB to output 480P signals instead of 480i along with native 720P and 1080i, Redo your resolution settings. When setting up specific resolutions, choose the 480P INSTEAD of the 480i and then use passthrough. If 480i is not a legal signal, it will be converted to 480P if that is allowed.
Each TV is completely different in the way it handles the SD signals. That's the reason for so many options in the resolution and format settings.
BTW, I get good results through component at 480i on my CRT based RPTV. The TV scales, grooms and conditions the signal as well as the composite and better than the svideo, but has better color saturation and better detail.

To each his own...

vegggas
post #119 of 8829
Vegggas-thanks for the tip. That works perfectly. I did not think it would work as I thought pass-through would only allow "native" signals to go through and would not do any conversion at all.

Also, I do agree with you that SD 480i does look good over component. However I am finding that the HDMI cable on HD signals does look a bit better than componenent to me (maybe I am just imagining things). Like I said, I am sure it is just a shortcoming of my display that makes 480i look so poor through the HDMI connection - nothing in the box. All in all I think this box is much better than the 8000.....

Keith
post #120 of 8829
I took a look at 480i vs 480p and I think on the digital and some analog stations the picture looked better, but unfortunately with my cable company some of their analog stations are just plain bad no matter how you run them and can show little improvement.

I'm still thinking about trying the dual hook up with svideo. Wife is on her way to Wal-Mart now so I'll have her pick me up a connector.

I still think there won't be much I'll be able to do with some of those analog stations, however.
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