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post #61 of 176
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Originally posted by csmith
Did anyone get the stand for the 42" NEC? I would like to know the dimensions of the stand, width wise? Is it evenly distributed front and back?
Page 6 of the Install Guide.
post #62 of 176
i froogled the stand

PX-ST1U
post #63 of 176
Thread Starter 
Bodega or any other XR4/XM4 Owners,

What picture optimization/settings changes have you made to your unit?

In reading the professional review posted on page one of this thread it sounds like there are a number of changes that should be made to the factory settings to optimize PQ.

This is definitely not an area of expertise for me. Is all of this just a matter of personal preference and involves adjusting contrast, brightness, etc. to find out what works best for you? Are there some general guidelines to follow? Or are there specific changes that should be made?

I'm really pleased with the PQ right out of the box, but if there's room for improvement I'm all for it!
post #64 of 176
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Originally posted by HD_Moose
1. I don't see a clock "odometer" for the NEC set. Is there a way to access a service menu to see the panel's hours?
I read this on another forum:

"The key sequence is entered from the remote while the screen is active. Press the following keys in sequence:
- Off Timer
- Exit
- Mute
- Off Timer

The 'Service Menu' will overlay the active picture.
...
Repeat the same sequence (OffTimer, Exit, Mute, OffTimer) to exit."
post #65 of 176
Ehjyen,

Thanks for posting the Service Menu access. I got it from another user the other day and tried it -- worked like a charm. At this time, I would highly discourage changing any parameters in the Service Menu without defined explanations for what each feature entails. Besides, just about all the video settings ever needed -even for ISF technicians- are available on the regular picture menu (the AudioRevolution review was correct when the reviewer said the NEC gave a suprising amount of picture setting access normally only accessable in a typical service menu).

The firmware version is on the 2nd page. The clock feature is also on the 2nd page. You can also exit the service menu by turning off the XR4 from the remote or directly from the panel.

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ghileman,

Even though I calibrated with DVE and Avia for basic settings, I am still tweaking with the more advanced settings. Besides, giving you my settings would not help since we probably both use different DVD players and picture settings can vary from one source to another. I am in the process of looking for a professional calibration and will let you know how the settings turns out. The XR4's plethora of video settings is astounding and can be overwhelming!

I am still very much enjoying the NEC display. HD content is nothing short of breathtaking and surprisingly, SD has been exceptional as well -- much better than the Pioneer 503cmx and equal to the Panasonic 7uy. The wide/zoom features are convincingly much better than the Panny's.
post #66 of 176
I'm looking to buy an ED plasma and NEC is on the top of my shortlist (consisting of it and panny 7). I went to view the NEC today, but the shop didn't have VM5. They had VM4 instead. I thought once I was there I might as well demo that. Overall the PQ was great, bright colors and deep blacks. There was one thing I didn't like. Often on half-tones and "noisy" places of the image you could distinguish patterned dots (similar to those that appear on half tone settings of a computer printer). They appeared on all sources and DVDs I tried. I did not see anything like this on any Panasonic plasma. I saw similar artifacts on Sony and Fuji plasmas. According to the guy at the shop that's what NECs were and it could not be eliminated by settings (I tried and couldn't).
Unfortunately I could only view the screen from about 4 feet closer that I normally would, but at that distance (about 7 feet) I could definitely see it and it was distracting.
I wonder if the 5 get NECs exhibit the same dots or it is only a feature of NEC 4s? I also heard that there is a setting called Low Tune which is supposed to choose dither or error diffusion method for detail enhancement. It sounds like it should affect these artifacts.
post #67 of 176
does the NEC 50 or 42 provide with a split half screen of PIP or is it just the small box type of PIP?

thanks.

Curtis
post #68 of 176
Did anyone get the attachable speakers for the XR4? What is your opinion on looks and sound? Thanks...
post #69 of 176
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Originally posted by cue03
does the NEC 50 or 42 provide with a split half screen of PIP or is it just the small box type of PIP?

thanks.

Curtis
someone please correct me if i am wrong, but i got the NEC vm5 and i dont think there is split screen or PIP?
post #70 of 176
The 50XR4 appears to have insanely customizable split screen options(???).

Check page 14...

http://www.necvisualsystems.com/corp...tion_50xr4.pdf

overtime
post #71 of 176
The 50XM4 provides standard PIP and splitscreen PIP.
post #72 of 176
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Originally posted by luzer
someone please correct me if i am wrong, but i got the NEC vm5 and i dont think there is split screen or PIP?
Correct - no split screen, pip or pop on the VM5.

Jeff
post #73 of 176
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Originally posted by StockInv
Did anyone get the attachable speakers for the XR4? What is your opinion on looks and sound? Thanks...
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post #74 of 176
Thought I would revive the thread by posting some pics of the NEC 50" XR4 hooked up to my Macintosh PowerBook G4 (667 MHz version about 2-1/2 years old) via DVI cable. I have not tried VGA yet. The display does not quite fit properly and I have not tweaked the resolution with SwitchRes or DisplayConfigX yet. I'm not the best picture taker, but I thought I would share my experience. Anyone have the settings they used to get me started down the right path?
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post #79 of 176
Nice to see the big unit on the wall DG! Actually, the wall looks very nice itself -- and it looks like you have a cozy place in Newport!

I haven't been able to post additional comments on the unit since I have been travelling in the Far East for business. However, I did get to spend the last 3-4 days overloading on HD materials, especially sports. I can unequivocably say that HD on the NEC unit beats the pants of the Panasonic 7uy. Vibrant colors, three dimmensional depth, and incredible light output (without being offensive) is awe-inspiring. I never, ever had this feeling with the 7uy. Just delicious stuff from HD. This is the best HD output I have ever seen, including the 50" Fujitsu models (which have always been reference std. for me).

Two caveats --

The fan is audible in a quiet room or during silent passages. It is inaudible with audio signals but I can see it being distracting if one installs this unit in a small room. Certainly the 7uy have much quieter fans as they were virtually undetectable.

The image retention is defintely there but it disapears within a few seconds (90-120). It was much more noticeable at non-calibrated settings but is more subtle post DVE calibrations. Nevertheless, I strongly feel that the NEC needs more "break-in" time to resolve this issue. I will re-address this after 100hrs playing time.

To (AVS member) Overtime -- I think you made a good choice in choosing the NEC over the current Panny and Sharp models. If you like vibrant and crisp images with light ouput that cuts through daylight, this is the unit to own.
post #80 of 176
Thanks for the compliments. We just moved to this house in Laguna Beach from Newport. All of the walls in this 1937 house are made of the "Laguna Siding" seen in pic 1. Once I get my new audio equipment console from DiamondCase, I'll post some pics of the whole thing.

I'll have to agree that HD is incredible on the XR4! Has anyone watched "Golf Escapes" on Discovery HD? You don't have to be into golf to enjoy the beautiful greens, fairways and views. I was absolutely captivated for the entire show and was completely unaware of anything else going on around me. What an escape, I highly reccommend it!

SD continues to disappoint, but it's almost unfair after watching HD.

The fans are audible. On low volumes, it is definitely there from 10 feet. I have noticed the image retention as well.
post #81 of 176
Slightly off topic, but are there any real differences between the XM3S and the XM4/XR4 series that should keep me away from the XM3S? It looks like they have the same input configuration and TVA's website says the XM3S carries the same 3 yr/1 year warranty as the XR4. Is there some marked improvement in the 4 series -- for example, is the later generation glass significantly better or was there some problem with the XM3S that has been fixed in the later series? I did a search on XM3S and didn't come up with anything.
post #82 of 176
Bodegabay,
I am really interested in XR4. How would you compare it to Fuji P50 (30).

Thanks.
post #83 of 176
Price drop at friendly neighborhood forum sponsor.

overtime
post #84 of 176
Darn! I just received my 50XR4 from Plasma Concepts last week, and the price has gone down $200 this week! Too bad Amex doesn't support their best value guarantee on internet pricing.

I'll post my thoughts of this model next week when I finally get everything setup and dialed in. So far, I'm really pleased.
post #85 of 176
Looking forward to your review...
post #86 of 176
this fan noise issue is strange. On my 1 yr old XM2 I cannot hear a thing except for a few seconds when I first turn the thing on. Has this gotten worse ?
post #87 of 176
The fan is very noticeable in my setup. I don't know if the wood walls vs. drywall causes the sound to reflect more (probably a stretch here). I have considered calling NEC to see if it is normal.

What type of fan noise are other people hearing? I know this sounds weird, but mine is not the sound of air, not the soft hum of a motor. It sounds like the fan blade is hitting something. You know the sound of a playing card on the spokes of your bicycle. Similar sound, although not quite the intensity of the fan blade actually hitting something. More the sound if you were to say rrrmmmm rrrmmm to your kid mimicking a motor sound. I can hear it with the sound low or in between dialog if the break in conversation is long enough.
post #88 of 176
The fan is very noticeable in my setup. I don't know if the wood walls vs. drywall causes the sound to reflect more (probably a stretch here). I have considered calling NEC to see if it is normal.

What type of fan noise are other people hearing? I know this sounds weird, but mine is not the sound of air, not the soft hum of a motor. It sounds like the fan blade is hitting something. You know the sound of a playing card on the spokes of your bicycle. Similar sound, although not quite the intensity of the fan blade actually hitting something. More the sound if you were to say rrrmmmm rrrmmm to your kid mimicking a motor sound. I can hear it with the sound low or in between dialog if the break in conversation is long enough. The fan is slightly louder when powered on for the first few seconds as windwaves mentions.
post #89 of 176
My 50XM4 is very quiet, from 2 feet in I can hear the fan but the noise sounds more like a buzz.
post #90 of 176
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Originally posted by dgsowers

What type of fan noise are other people hearing? I know this sounds weird, but mine is not the sound of air, not the soft hum of a motor. It sounds like the fan blade is hitting something. You know the sound of a playing card on the spokes of your bicycle. Similar sound, although not quite the intensity of the fan blade actually hitting something. More the sound if you were to say rrrmmmm rrrmmm to your kid mimicking a motor sound. I can hear it with the sound low or in between dialog if the break in conversation is long enough.
That is exactly the description of the fan noise. I am very tempted to call NEC to look at it sometime in the next few weeks after my business travels. It is funny since a small nuisance like this would usually be drive me nuts. However, it is nothing compared to the buzzing from the Pioneer models. And even though the Panasonic is absolutely silent in noise, it's HD picture veiled compared to the NEC; the HD picture is so much better on the NEC that it negates this shortcoming. I have normal sheetrocked walls and the unit is placed in a medium sized but open living room so the fan noise is masked by speaker audio or ambient noises. And I would be confident in saying that the sound might not be noticeable at all in a larger room with high celings and open space.
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