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post #61 of 4539
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Why'd you have to ask me that. To be honest, I'd get the 510 for the res. Ever since I've had the H77 HD2+ resolution has me spoiled.

I would pick the H31 over the others because over all image quality is very high. I'd make myself get use to the higher SD for the higher contrast picture, plus the colors are even nicer if that's possible. The 31 beats out the 510 for contrast and colors by a very long margin also.

Edit: on second thought maybe I would choose the H31 or 510 or wait H31, what a dilemma it's a toss up.
post #62 of 4539
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Originally posted by guitarman
Why'd you have to ask me that. To be honest, I'd get the 510 for the res. Ever since I've had the H77 HD2+ resolution has me spoiled.

I know what you mean. I had a 7205 in for a few days to set up for a customer and it's hard to go back to the H30 right after that.
post #63 of 4539
hey guys i am finally back on the forum , man what stressful couple of months i have had moving in to my new home but finally i am up and running ,in the nice city of oakville .


tom so i see the h31 is out and i figure the h57 is out also , so let the next mega thread began .


and mike and tom i can also sympathize about being spoiled with the higher end pj's , personally i think it is cruel teasing in the ht market .


ps and tom i have set up 3 h77's so far and the pj is great , but there is still a little dither in the pq . But the pj dialed in pretty well
post #64 of 4539
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So you are doing the tuning thing. Did you pick up colorfacts? I may pick up the program again, I'll make it a Xmas present to myself.

I figure I could run an add, tune up your digital projectors. Could be lucrative with all the people picking up the RP-DLP's & RP-LCD's. Plus these will be a snap to tune up.

After viewing the H31 for the last few days, it's a very nice upgrade for new buyers. Very nice
post #65 of 4539
Tom: Do you have a price on h31 as yet? And, a questions, as you seem to know projectors. LCDs Sanyo z3 and 700 Panny..around $2000..4805 and H31, a lot less money. Do you think it is jusified to spend a lot more money to buy the $2000 projectors?. I have a plasma in home and would watch only HD and DVDs. I have a EDTV now and the HD programming looks excellent. So, perhaps, a ED (480P) would be just fine. I have total light controlled viewing area. In other words, in your opinion, is the better PQ worth the bigger bucks?
post #66 of 4539
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Originally posted by mangopony
Tom: Do you have a price on h31 as yet?


I don't know anymore what the price is going to be. However, up until the price drop on the 4805, it was going to be priced the same. My local distributor had them on their order page at a price that was actually higher than the 4805. It's not listed there anymore.

However, they do have H57s in stock right now..... priced very high though, so I don't know if I will get one. I'm picking up Mitsubishi and will likely bring in their 900U for demo purposes in that demo room.

Rule #1 about Optoma: The left hand has absolutely NO idea what the right hand is doing.
post #67 of 4539
The 4805 is a fine projector and at list of $1300, probably can not be beat. However, to try, Optoma will have to price H31 about at that price point. Seems, with the PQ on these cheaper projectors, it is hard to justify even spending $2000 anymore on a projector. Just my opinion.
post #68 of 4539
hey tom if you are talking to me yes i have the colorfacts and it is pretty easy to do the optoma because of the easy access to the contrast and the brightness setting > , usually i don't have to go into the service menu and that is a plus also.


but i have to say even though i am not a big fan of infocus ,there 4805 and 7200 series pj's are very nice out the box and easy to dial in also .



and tom for it being lucrative , well i don't know about that but it is not bad much easier than working with crt based systems
post #69 of 4539
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by mangopony
Tom: Do you have a price on h31 as yet? And, a questions, as you seem to know projectors. LCDs Sanyo z3 and 700 Panny..around $2000..4805 and H31, a lot less money. Do you think it is jusified to spend a lot more money to buy the $2000 projectors?. I have a plasma in home and would watch only HD and DVDs. I have a EDTV now and the HD programming looks excellent. So, perhaps, a ED (480P) would be just fine. I have total light controlled viewing area. In other words, in your opinion, is the better PQ worth the bigger bucks?

The picture on the H31 is pretty incredible. The deep blacks that still show very good detail by the way added with the increased color saturation has it looking very much like the HD2+ with the dark segments color wheel. So if you view at a correct distance you'll get a smooth picture that's very 3D. The LCD's still can't compete with this kind of contrast and black detail. So for the large dollar sayings it's a great choice. Oh HDTV will still look more than excellent, scaling is top notch, brightness and detail is very good also.

That 2.35 setup for people with adjustable screens is pretty cool. Nothing better than watching a 2.35 movie in panoramic with no bars on the top and bottom. You get a better perceived contrast without the bars and a majority of movies are 2.35. Gotta ask if they can add that to the H77.

About the price, they were thinking of setting it similar to the 4805, $1495 I guess.
They tend to think their street prices can be better. So it may be that street wise you'll end up with a similar price to the 4805. I should find out the info early next week.
post #70 of 4539
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Originally posted by new teq joe
hey tom if you are talking to me yes i have the colorfacts and it is pretty easy to do the optoma because of the easy access to the contrast and the brightness setting > , usually i don't have to go into the service menu and that is a plus also.


but i have to say even though i am not a big fan of infocus ,there 4805 and 7200 series pj's are very nice out the box and easy to dial in also .



and tom for it being lucrative , well i don't know about that but it is not bad much easier than working with crt based systems

I was figuring since the program is so expensive maybe I could re-coupe some of the expense by doing a few tunups. Probably not Lucrative for sure, most people don't know what Avia is or care. Maybe Milori will have a Xmas special.
post #71 of 4539
Thank you, Tom. If I can buy it for same as 4805, I think I have found my first projector.
post #72 of 4539
By the way, I will be viewing DVDs..and HD content. Do you know if resolution will be same on h31 as h30? I believe that was 800 x 600, yes? I would come into h31 with component; how would the h31 scale the 1080I or 720P? I could never understand why a projector would not be 480P or 1080I. How does the 600 resolution come into play, I wonder? Also, do you have numbers for contrast and light. I understand the strong suit of the Optomas have always been, the colors, yes? Bottom line, how is the 31 improved from the 30?
post #73 of 4539
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Originally posted by guitarman
Maybe Milori will have a Xmas special.

Probably not, but they may have a CES special in January (they had a CEDIA special). I've been thinking about getting Colorfacts as well. I'll have talk to Mark at CES and see what he can do.

I was also really impressed with the Optic One/Avia Pro package at CEDIA. I got a nice presentation from the engineer that created it, so that's another possibility.

Hi Joe. Glad to see you 'round these parts again.
post #74 of 4539
was just reading what Projector Central had to say about H30. As usual, pros and cons but one thing did bother me. They said that brightness falls off 40 percent from center of screen to edges, quite high for a projector. Any comment from anyone who knows this projector. By the way, it was also stated that in practice of viewing video this was not that noticeable but it does make me a little nervous. I like the screen to show about same brightness throughout.
post #75 of 4539
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Originally posted by mangopony
was just reading what Projector Central had to say about H30. As usual, pros and cons but one thing did bother me. They said that brightness falls off 40 percent from center of screen to edges, quite high for a projector. Any comment from anyone who knows this projector. By the way, it was also stated that in practice of viewing video this was not that noticeable but it does make me a little nervous. I like the screen to show about same brightness throughout.

I have an H30 and also dealt with 2 others (one I returned and the other was my boss's). I have to say the on the 3 I dealt with, brightness/focus uniformity was not that great. It's true that it's hard to notice anything awry while watching a movie from a normal distance, but it does bother me.
On mine, the left side of the screen is sharp...pixel squares are very apparent and the left screen boarder is sharp. But as you move to the right side of the screen, things start to get fuzzy...the pixel squares start to fade away and the upper and left black screen boarders are now fuzzy instead of sharp boarders. The upside to this I suppose is that you could sit a little closer as the pixels are not as noticeable...but it's not uniform and it seems to be an un-uniform focus issue, which bothers me overall.

Still, I can't seem to notice anything wrong from a normal viewing distance....except for the black screen boarders, I can still clearly see the top and right sides are fuzzy and the left side has a nice sharp black boarder.

And in case anyone thinks it's a keystone issue of some sort, it is not, I've tried all different angles and distances, but the focus problem seems to be internal to the projectors optics. There are pockets of sharpness and fuzziness through out, the fuzziness is not uniform.

I'm guessing this is possibly to be expected on a sub $1500 projector.

It bothers me though.

The other 2 H30's also weren't perfect on this...although the un-uniformity were in different parts of the screen. Just seems that the Q.C. of the optics are not the high point of this projector....on the 3 that I've had experience with.

Wondering if the H31 is any better?

And not to slow Tom's praise down, but my guess is that the H31 he got was probably cherry picked to make sure it was sweet, so while he might have a nice sharp optic H31, others might not be so lucky.

Fleaman
post #76 of 4539
I wanted to add: My boss's H30 had better uniform pixels/focus than mine and when we were comparing the 2, it bothered him a little that his projectors pixel blocks were more noticeable than the ones on my H30.

To each is own!

Fleaman
post #77 of 4539
Don't you think Benq dropped the ball when using only a 5 segment 2xspeed wheel where as every other one in this price range and chip resolution is running a 6 segment 4x speed wheel?
post #78 of 4539
Tom
Did they address the Light spill around the lens hood or did your demo come with the modified lens cap like the H30's?
post #79 of 4539
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Originally posted by mangopony
[b]By the way, I will be viewing DVDs..and HD content. Do you know if resolution will be same on h31 as h30? I believe that was 800 x 600, yes?/B]

The H30 is 800x600, and the H31 is 854x480.

~ Kiran
post #80 of 4539
entropy: Thank you for info. that 480 makes a lot more sense. That is what my new plasma is. It matches DVDs exactly.
post #81 of 4539
Yes, it seems, this big measured fall off in brightness (being uniform across screen) could be a deal buster for me. Hope the H31 takes care of this..up to a point, at least. Nothing is going to be near perfect for $1200 but, it seems to me, the brightness should be 'almost' even throughout the screen area. One thing about my new plasma; up close, on a white screen, the brightness (Ilight) is even (equal) .. center to edge throughout.
post #82 of 4539
Hello Tom,

Thanks for the introduction to the H31! Always nice to see some screenshot to get an idea of what the projectors can do.

A friend of mine, Daniel from the Netherlands (he's a member of AVS and has posted on the H77 thread), posted 2 screenshots. It's the 2nd 5th Element screenshot with a picture of the professor's face. On the H31 picture the background looks a bit orangy. Where was the H77 looked "just right" with a brownish background.

Was this due to the way the H31 was set up? Can it be turned to give us the same output as the H77 color wise? I did read an earlier thead of yours where you mentioned something about needed to paint something on one of your DaLite screens? Is that your main screen? The Same one used with your H77?

Thanks!
post #83 of 4539
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Originally posted by gundyrat1
Don't you think Benq dropped the ball when using only a 5 segment 2xspeed wheel where as every other one in this price range and chip resolution is running a 6 segment 4x speed wheel?

Actually, they're taking the same approach NEC did with the 410. It's a different design philosophy that yields some decent results, but I still prefer the color depth of 6 segment, 4X wheel as well.
post #84 of 4539
Thread Starter 
The screen case has a reflection which lights up the top of the image sometimes. I didn't do any color tuning other than using Avia on the H31. Things do look better live, DVI input it tuned better with less color saturation and it's brighter.

The picture over all looks very similar to the H77 accept for the resolution.

About the H30's and brightness uniformity, I had two H30 both that were fine if you displayed a 1 color clip (blue) or a 100ire pattern. Uniformity was very good they rate them at 90%. I have gone up to the screens and the pixels are clear but very faint compared to the H31. There's no light spill on the screen, there is light scatter from the lens if you ceiling mount. Thats not an issue all projector glow light on the ceiling where they're mounted.
post #85 of 4539
Tom: Thank you with comment about uniform brightness across the screen. I guess it will vary from projector to projector somewhat. And 'Projector Central' just got one of those with brightness that was not that uniform. A person could always return it if he was unlucky.
post #86 of 4539
Many projectors have poor brightness uniformity. It is one of those artifacts difficult to see. The brain sees brightness logarithmically - so a slight drop-off will be integrated by the eye/brain into a flat field.

The same psycho-visual trait is responsible for the people that buy Da-Lite High Power or Stewart FireHawk that say - what viewing cone? They don't see any drop-off at even extreme angles. Even though they have a very significant drop-off.

It takes a side-by-side comparison for your brain to notice that there is brightness uniformity issues.

RPTV has horrible brightness uniformity/angle - worse than any projector or high gain screen. So this is hardly anything new to technology



Now shading uniformity of an LCD - is very noticeable as the psycho-visual system is an excellent color comparator.

Also focus uniformity of cheaper lenses - very noticeable.

Newbies eventually learn to put not much stock in Projector Central reviews. It is a dealer referral site designed to direct you to projectors that their dealers want to (and can) sell. Ever notice how recent reviews have proclaimed all projectors need a scaler - and a certain new model scaler to boot?
post #87 of 4539
I never buy (or not buy) from reviews/opinions of others. But, it is a starting point. I always get my choices down to 2-3 items and. then, if possible, use it in my home for 2-3 weeks. There is no such thing as 'the best' in anything you buy. But I do not want cons that I will notice directly..such as fan noice. Whether a projector has contrast number of 1500 or 2000, I could care less. Besides, I will be using projector in darkness. What I am saying you try to eliminate the products that whose imperfections you will surely notice. This, of course, will be different between different people. Bottom line, there are cons I can accept and some I can not accept.
post #88 of 4539
By the way, my new Panny plasma display...On a white screen the light..to my eyes..remain same brightness center to edge all way around.
post #89 of 4539
plasma displays have the highest brightness uniformity. You need to drop a couple notches for FP, and a few more for RPTV. You will be dissapointed comparing any FP to a plasma on that spec.
post #90 of 4539
Brightness uniformity: To me it doesn't matter that a Plasma would even be 100% perfect brightness uniformity, 'cause to me most all (except the very expensive) Plasmas suck compared to even my lowly H30 projector.

And the suckiness comparison isn't due to the Projector having a bigger image, I actually only project a 55" wide image because I have a small room and I'm only 9-10ft away from the screen, but that 55" image is soooo much better than almost any plasma I have seen. I think you would have to spend $8,000+ on a plasma to have...to me...as nice as an overall image quality.

Bottom line, you have to take all pic quality issues into play, it all matters: Resolution, color pop, smooth and deep black levels, 3d depth, blah, blah, blah...

Overall, I would never buy a Plasma at today's prices. Maybe if they came down 50% in future, I might consider replacing my little 27" CRT TV.


Fleaman
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