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post #5431 of 7653
CW on WAXN doesn't mean they have to pull news. Off the top of my head - WPIX, WGN, and KTLA are charter WB/CW affiliates and all do news from 5a-9a mornings. KTLA actually goes to 10.
post #5432 of 7653
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Originally Posted by AndThenScottSays View Post

CW on WAXN doesn't mean they have to pull news. Off the top of my head - WPIX, WGN, and KTLA are charter WB/CW affiliates and all do news from 5a-9a mornings. KTLA actually goes to 10.
Yes I agree that WAXN would continue with their news programming since it is produced by sister station WSOC. Adding CW would just give WAXN additional programming. If they are interested, which has yet to be determined. Also to be determined is whether WCCB will continue their news programming, as there is a good possibility that WJZY will develop their own news broadcasts. Both WTTG Fox-5 in Washington and WAGA Fox-5 in Atlanta have strong newscasts.
post #5433 of 7653
Also, regarding 46 and 55, I hope they will continue to carry Antenna TV and This TV, but I'm sure they will also add the new Movies! channel that is being developed for the Fox O&O stations. Soul has been pushed back till May, so maybe they will just give up on this chronically delayed channel. And I do enjoy the gospel music from Jimmy Swaggart, but it remains to be seen if they will continue to carry SBN. They may have to honor the current contracts until they expire ... And from an OTA standpoint, I wonder if Fox will eventually top mount the RF47 digital antenna? Currently the WJZY antenna is still side mounted, and the old analog 46 antenna still sits atop the tower. And would they be allowed to increase the power for RF39? Only WJZY has a full power 1000kw signal. But nevertheless I receive both channels with a stong signal here in Greenville, SC, usually with 10 bars. I seldom watch 21 here unless there is something on the Fox network or some NFL games, but will be interested to see WJZY transformed into a Fox affiliate. I just hope they keep Antenna TV.
post #5434 of 7653
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Originally Posted by AndThenScottSays View Post

CW on WAXN doesn't mean they have to pull news. Off the top of my head - WPIX, WGN, and KTLA are charter WB/CW affiliates and all do news from 5a-9a mornings. KTLA actually goes to 10.

Hmm. Wouldn't the Daily Buzz interfere with WSOC Morning Eyewitness News which runs at the same time? (though I assume they could also put the wsoc news on 64.2 or something like that.

There is a lot of underutilized bandwidth on 64.
post #5435 of 7653
One last thought, I know that WCCB did an outstanding job as a Fox affiliate and establishing the Fox Charlotte brand. They successfully developed and produced the top rated 10pm newscast, and their set is indeed very nice. And they had good sports shows and supported the Panthers. So I know the sudden impact of this corporate business decision is definitely being felt. I lost a job before when my dept was outsourced and a subcontractor took over. So hopefully somehow things will work out well for all parties involved.
post #5436 of 7653
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Originally Posted by blackcat6 View Post

Hmm. Wouldn't the Daily Buzz interfere with WSOC Morning Eyewitness News which runs at the same time? (though I assume they could also put the wsoc news on 64.2 or something like that.

There is a lot of underutilized bandwidth on 64.

They're not obligated to run the Daily Buzz. That's a show meant for small market affiliates that don't have news just so that something is on the channel in the morning.
post #5437 of 7653
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Originally Posted by blackcat6 View Post

Hmm. Wouldn't the Daily Buzz interfere with WSOC Morning Eyewitness News which runs at the same time? (though I assume they could also put the wsoc news on 64.2 or something like that.

There is a lot of underutilized bandwidth on 64.
They could drop or delay the Daily Buzz. Is that a CW or syndicated show? That time of day I usually watch the Today Show or GMA. But we don't know yet if WAXN would be interested in a CW affiliation, but it is indeed a possibility.
post #5438 of 7653
Ahh, you appear to be correct. The daily buzz seems to be syndicated. I had incorrectly assumed it was part of the CW.
post #5439 of 7653
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

One last thought, I know that WCCB did an outstanding job as a Fox affiliate and establishing the Fox Charlotte brand. They successfully developed and produced the top rated 10pm newscast, and their set is indeed very nice. And they had good sports shows and supported the Panthers. So I know the sudden impact of this corporate business decision is definitely being felt. I lost a job before when my dept was outsourced and a subcontractor took over. So hopefully somehow things will work out well for all parties involved.

I can't know how WCCB will react, but, there are always some options. There were those in the 1990's that thought stations like WGHP and WAGA in Atlanta would be greatly diminished by FOX. And, there were other opinions. FOX only had Bart Simpson for a star back then; I don't think there were many who imagined that star would still be shining in 2013. Only time will tell on this new arrangement.
post #5440 of 7653
Fox Television Group Pay $18 Million for WJZY and WMYT

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/01/29/3820822/charlotte-tv-deal-should-be-windfall.html
post #5441 of 7653
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Originally Posted by AndThenScottSays View Post

Off the top of my head - WPIX, WGN, and KTLA are charter WB/CW affiliates and all do news from 5a-9a mornings. KTLA actually goes to 10.

Correction, all the stations mentioned has morning news starting at 4am.
post #5442 of 7653
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Originally Posted by LMckin View Post

Fox Television Group Pay $18 Million for WJZY and WMYT

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/01/29/3820822/charlotte-tv-deal-should-be-windfall.html

Wow, Fox got an amazing deal.

I read on another board that perhaps Capitol sacrificed these to keep Fox on WRAZ in Raleigh. With this kind of deal maybe there's some truth to that.
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Originally Posted by blackcat6 View Post

Real engineers don't need to keep telling people how important and experienced they are, rolling their eyeballs, rudely dismissing others with one-liners about being drunk, and doing everything they can to discredit anyone who questions them. (my response is directed only towards you) Engineering is a profession, and one, in this state, that requires a degree and a license.

You never even remotely answered the questions so I guess I'm done with this as it's apparent its going no where.

Well, not to keep rehashing the debate. However, I must say that I agree with blackcat6. Ybsane should understand that most users on this forum are looking for feedback in plain English. We are not interested in technical jargon by anyone who is attempting to impress others. Using technical jargon in this manner is not helpful. And in fact, it can serve as a distraction, especially when the response does not address the issue. Anyone on this site who is an engineer or otherwise has a background in electronics or related areas is certainly most appreciated. However, if a person is truly a subject matter expert, that individual will get far more appreciation and respect from others when they present themselves as humble and respectful. It all gets back to basic Psychology in dealing with others. Think about it.
Edited by Rexford - 1/29/13 at 5:13pm
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I wonder if FOX will put some effort into resolving the WMYT reception issues in the greater Hickory area. I'm in Conover, adjacent to Rock Barn Golf Club and WHKY still interferes with WMYT. It's extremely frustrating as I'd like to cut the cord on DirecTV when my negotiated discount expires in about 6 months, but I'd like to be able to receive WMYT.

WCCB has done a fantastic job being a FOX affiliate and producing a great news program. It doesn't hurt that much of the on-air talent is "Easy on the eyes" smile.gif. I moved here from Chicago about 3 years ago and I can tell you, WCCB is a real class act compared to FOX O&O - WFLD/FOX32 in Chicago. I wish everyone the best of luck over there.
post #5445 of 7653
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Originally Posted by Rexford View Post

Well, not to keep rehashing the debate. However, I must say that I agree with blackcat6. Ybsane should understand that most users on this forum are looking for feedback in plain English. We are not interested in technical jargon by anyone who is attempting to impress others. Using technical jargon in this manner is not helpful. And in fact, it can serve as a distraction, especially when the response does not address the issue. Anyone on this site who is an engineer or otherwise has a background in electronics or related areas is certainly most appreciated. However, if a person is truly a subject matter expert, that individual will get far more appreciation and respect from others when they present themselves as humble and respectful. It all gets back to basic Psychology in dealing with others. Think about it.

We are not looking for Psychologist on this forum but thanks for your input anyway. But to quote what Blackcat had to say with no professional background in this field (just assumption)

Not absolutely true. A RF issue can reduce the signal quality to the point where the error correcting routines can't reconstruct enough of the data stream to make mpeg decompression, possible for a HD picture, while at the same time it would be OK for SD. 18.1 is 1280x720@59.94fps while 18.3 is 720x480@29.97fps or rather 18.1 requires more than 5X as much data/frame than MeTV. TVs have very limited buffering/processing power and will drop frames HD frames faster than SD. Lock is lost and it has to try again.

I would rule out issues with the receiving equipment since he is seeing the same problem on more than one device.

If it isn't an RF issue, then the suggestion to look for a better antenna isn't going to fix anything. In this case the guy above might be right when he says that 18.2 is somehow corrupting the WCCB data stream.

Lack of RF back ground for one, MPEG decompression does not exist is two, TV's have very limited buffering?processor power to drop HD frames faster than SD is three. Op's TV having issue and others not including Blackcat is four.

TylerSC and several others gave the OP very good feedback about the issues they were experiencing and pointed out several solutions. The amount of homes that receive OTA in this area is pretty substantial and when one person is experiencing a problem and no one else is generally points to an issue with their own set up and equipment and not a station transmit issue. I believe in giving positive information with acquired knowledge and not commenting on a subject were I have no experience. This to me is irritating because some people Google their answers and try to piece things together in a thoughtless manner if this is acceptable to you then so be it.
post #5446 of 7653
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Originally Posted by bill875 View Post

I wonder if FOX will put some effort into resolving the WMYT reception issues in the greater Hickory area. I'm in Conover, adjacent to Rock Barn Golf Club and WHKY still interferes with WMYT. It's extremely frustrating as I'd like to cut the cord on DirecTV when my negotiated discount expires in about 6 months, but I'd like to be able to receive WMYT.

WCCB has done a fantastic job being a FOX affiliate and producing a great news program. It doesn't hurt that much of the on-air talent is "Easy on the eyes" smile.gif. I moved here from Chicago about 3 years ago and I can tell you, WCCB is a real class act compared to FOX O&O - WFLD/FOX32 in Chicago. I wish everyone the best of luck over there.

I was wondering the same thing regarding WMYT's reception around Hickory.

Eric
post #5447 of 7653
I am by no means an expert in electronics or engineering, but I just post my findings based upon personal experiences using antennas over the years in Concord, Charlotte, and now Greenville, SC. Not always the right answer here, but just my opinions.
post #5448 of 7653
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Originally Posted by eacalhoun View Post

I was wondering the same thing regarding WMYT's reception around Hickory.

Eric
If they were allowed to increase power, then perhaps that would stop the interference from WHKY. But I wonder if this would be allowed by the FCC, because I believe there is also an RF39 in Columbia and possibly Tennesee. But ironically, despite the much lower power, I still get a strong 10 bars on the signal meter for 55 here in Greenville, SC. Same as WBTV and WJZY which are at much higher power. So their side mounted antenna orientation must somehow favor Upstate SC for WMYT.
post #5449 of 7653
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

If they were allowed to increase power, then perhaps that would stop the interference from WHKY. But I wonder if this would be allowed by the FCC, because I believe there is also an RF39 in Columbia and possibly Tennesee. But ironically, despite the much lower power, I still get a strong 10 bars on the signal meter for 55 here in Greenville, SC. Same as WBTV and WJZY which are at much higher power. So their side mounted antenna orientation must somehow favor Upstate SC for WMYT.

Despite the fact that WMYT operates at lower power versus stations like WBTV or WJZY, I also get WMYT from Winston (on a 24/7 basis), with a rooftop or attic antenna. But I'm probably near the outer limit of where that would be possible. My coverage of WHKY is not so good, usually only see it at night. But I haven't tried in a while.
post #5450 of 7653
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Originally Posted by ybsane View Post

TylerSC and several others gave the OP very good feedback about the issues they were experiencing and pointed out several solutions. The amount of homes that receive OTA in this area is pretty substantial and when one person is experiencing a problem and no one else is generally points to an issue with their own set up and equipment and not a station transmit issue. I believe in giving positive information with acquired knowledge and not commenting on a subject were I have no experience. This to me is irritating because some people Google their answers and try to piece things together in a thoughtless manner if this is acceptable to you then so be it.

I apologize for getting people worked up about my issues with WCCB. I obviously don't know what causes the picture to freeze on WCCB, but it seems to play fine on my HDTV when the signal is at least 20% on my converter box. However, all of the other stations can have signal at 1% on the box and play just fine on my TV, including other stations that come in occasionally like WCCB does. It may be an issue with my TV, but I just don't see how only one channel can have issues while all of the other ones are fine if the TV is causing the problem. As I said before, I already get WCCB in HD through Charter and it really doesn't matter if I can get it OTA. I just thought that other people might have similar issues with WCCB and they may not use this forum like I do.
post #5451 of 7653
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Originally Posted by mcy919 View Post

I apologize for getting people worked up about my issues with WCCB....I just thought that other people might have similar issues with WCCB and they may not use this forum ...
No apologies needed mcy919. You asked a perfectly legitimate question and all the abuse came from others.

I think the Charlotte OTA topic would get more activity if ordinary people, looking for info and help, didn't have to fear being accosted by a couple of technicians who do nothing but take potshots, promote themselves, never ever offer any real assistance and when they are proved wrong, start the crap that we see above. I've suffered this abuse here before, I'm tired ot it as there is no excuse for it, and this is why I called it out as nicely as this situation allows.

I hope you get your issues solved. Some of us here have been through moving to OTA in the CLT area and are glad to help, so please keep asking.
Edited by blackcat6 - 1/30/13 at 12:42am
post #5452 of 7653
I don't know if this might affect the transaction, but there is currently an investigation by the FCC regarding irregularities in the 2007 renewal of WWOR's license, and a group called "Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington" is seeking to force Fox to sell its stations through petitions to the FCC to deny renewals and/or revoke the licenses of the stations, on grounds that the numerous violations of British law committed by News Corp.'s UK subsidiaries (News of the World phone hacking scandal, etc.) make Fox, or any other News Corp. US-based subsidiary, unfit to be an FCC licensee.

See Attachment 21 at the bottom of the application to transfer WJZY.
post #5453 of 7653
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Originally Posted by LMckin View Post

Fox Television Group Pay $18 Million for WJZY and WMYT

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/01/29/3820822/charlotte-tv-deal-should-be-windfall.html

Looks like this is a done deal. Last time CLT has seen something like this was in 1978 when ABC pulled its affiliation from, ironically WCCB and then moved to WSOC.

So I guess we will be seeing a lot of OTA change here beginning in June. I wonder if the other networks are interested in buying their respective stations here in Charlotte. Or might consider a move. I would think, at least, that NBC can't exactly be happy with WCNC. Their local news is weak, still not in HD (at least last time I looked), and this must affect the follow on NBC nightly news.
post #5454 of 7653
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Originally Posted by blackcap93 View Post

I don't know if this might affect the transaction, but there is currently an investigation by the FCC regarding irregularities in the 2007 renewal of WWOR's license, and a group called "Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington" is seeking to force Fox to sell its stations through petitions to the FCC to deny renewals and/or revoke the licenses of the stations, on grounds that the numerous violations of British law committed by News Corp.'s UK subsidiaries (News of the World phone hacking scandal, etc.) make Fox, or any other News Corp. US-based subsidiary, unfit to be an FCC licensee.

See Attachment 21 at the bottom of the application to transfer WJZY.

Going strictly on my memory - meaning I could be wrong - but I'm pretty sure the WWOR issue pertains to its city of license, which is Secaucus, NJ. I believe there have been group(s) unahappy with WWOR for basically "dissing" its NJ audience and embracing New York City when it comes to local news on WWOR. I believe its such groups who've complained to the FCC (for not serving their community) when WWOR's license has come up for renewal.

Eric
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Originally Posted by blackcat6 View Post

Looks like this is a done deal. Last time CLT has seen something like this was in 1978 when ABC pulled its affiliation from, ironically WCCB and then moved to WSOC.

So I guess we will be seeing a lot of OTA change here beginning in June. I wonder if the other networks are interested in buying their respective stations here in Charlotte. Or might consider a move. I would think, at least, that NBC can't exactly be happy with WCNC. Their local news is weak, still not in HD (at least last time I looked), and this must affect the follow on NBC nightly news.

While I am not an NBC fan, I would love to see WCCB snag NBC from WCNC. It would certainly appear that Bahakel has shown a willingness to invest in WCCB in so many ways that are obvious to this viewer. Belo, on the other hand, relies on re-branding every few years to supposedly reel-in the viewers instead of investing in HD and graphics. Isn't it just shameful when one of WCNC's weather folks are "clicking" through their forecast package and when they segue from a temperature map, all of the numbers "fall" to the corner of the screen. That's not a negative reflection on their weather staff, but on Belo.
post #5456 of 7653
From one who was there...... it is a long story. How WCCB lost ABC....was told they would become NBC....then NBC went to WCNC. Leaving WCCB with no affiliation.... I had been in on the ABC talks to WSOC TV.....we voted to accept ABC. Cox turned that down.....only later to switch their other stations to ABC. I had gone to WCCB because I had learned of the ABC plans to become number one..Oops.. ABC was not happy with the WCCB performance... NBC did not want to be affiliated to WCCB.. Officials at those network would be the ones to ask about those reasons.

Independent WCCB made a comeback.....and fortunately Fox came to WCCB. It is quite a story. WJZY almost got FOX....did not happen.
The Hornets....the Panthers ......
I would think
WCCB is again...on the EDGE...... Jim Babb is one of the most experienced regarding management or the current
Charlotte broadcast business..... The future of TV in Charlotte..as in the past.....is not solid rock. It is interesting how Jim Goodman came into the picture...Capitol has a long history...of success and growth.

Fox is now in the driver's seat....with other options. All Charlotte TV stations are in the pool.... ABC wanted WBTV before the switch from WCCB. (high power VHF stations) The original owner or owners of WMYT and WJZY history have had many changes .... WBTV two owners... WSOC TV two owners.
Compensation or payment for network programs.....Cable, satellite, the Internet...and program distribution is ever present. (Raycom....came about after Ric made wise moves.)
I am sure there are others who may think otherwise.... You had to be in the middle to really understand the networks, the owners and the management.
The only thing certain is change. As Charlotte rises higher in the TV marketplace..(25 now?).. There are many who might be interested...
Many advertisers only buy the top stations...and the larger marketplace. In the past...some advertisers only bought time in local news programs. That would be seen by the increased time the stations have made for News? programs. .
post #5457 of 7653
Back in 1978 WCCB had a weaker signal and no news programming, so ABC wanted a stronger outlet for its network which was becoming a successful player in the prime time ratings. So the loss to WSOC made a bit more sense back then, although at first it was thought that NBC would end up on 18 rather than 36. Now losing the Fox affiliation is more of a shock because WCCB has been successful as a Fox Charlotte product with a strong news operation and good prime time ratings for the network. But I guess with Capitol offering such a good deal, it gives Fox the opportunity to operate 2 stations in a growing top 25 market. So WCCB will soon have to rebrand yet again, and WJZY will at last become the Fox station it almost was originally.
post #5458 of 7653
Very interesting history on Charlotte TV. I had no idea!

Not to derail the discussion, but I did want to say that adding the BDA amp took care of my issues. I get all of the locals with one antenna and many have signal strength in the high 90's. A couple are still in the mid-70's, but I think that's function of my antenna direction. The antenna turned out to be a CM 4228, not a DB8, I realized when I went back up in the attic to hook up the amp.

Thanks for all the help!

Sandy.
post #5459 of 7653
Glad to hear the BDA amp worked out. I am assuming you got the Motorola version, and they are made very well. They are low noise and have good design circuitry, based upon my own research and personal experience. And that CM4228HD is a good antenna, so you should hopefully be good to go.
post #5460 of 7653
WBTV is having technical problems this evening. Picture keeps freezing on 3.1 during ACC telecast. But weather scrolls are running. 3.2 Bounce is fine, and signal strength is a normal 10 bars.
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