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post #6121 of 7662
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Originally Posted by cpalmer2k View Post

I'm having a weird issue with WSOC... I get a solid signal, 85% off both the main tower and the 9.5 translator using the DirecTV AM-21N tuner on my Genie DVR. Often for no reason at all at random times the picture will just freeze..I can change a channel, change it back, and it works fine again. This is the only channel that does this for me, and it does it for both 9.1 and 9.5

Any ideas?
Possibly some sort of issue with the DirecTV tuner. Have you tried connecting directly to the TV tuner to see if the problem still occurs? And by the way, what county are you in, and what type of antenna set up did you end up going with?
post #6122 of 7662
The AM21 just does that. Mine does that on WGPX, which is my strongest OTA signal.
post #6123 of 7662
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Originally Posted by blackcat6 View Post

About the same as I expect from NbC, CBS, ABC, etc. Until recently NBC was owned by 100% GE which is the largest defense contractor in the world, owns a tax payer bailed out finance arm, pays no taxes, and thus seeks to do whatever the gov't wants. It's effectively govt funded and enabled in everything except name. If you check the rest you will find similar ties. So not much difference IMO.

WTVI still transmits MHZ Worldview on 42.2. Charlotte is one of the few markets that gets this alternative programming OTA and I'm glad we do. More specifically RT is still transmitted FTA on both K band (SD) and C band (HD). You can also stream the global English version via broadband.


I thought it was MHZ Worldview programing on, thanks for confirming that. It's good to have additional international news programs, but you need to be aware of biases; researching other news (paper, internet, TV) on an issue is the best thing to do. But many people just accept what is being fed to them.

From my perspective, I thought MSNBC was bad, until RT - USA coverage began. Nothing like finding the most fringe type of people and then present them like they are main stream USA! Yes, I know RT, along with a bunch of other new channels are still up there (and via Roku and other devices), but like I said, RT is too biased for me. ABC, CBS, NBC news has a liberal bent, CNN news is just slightly left of center (commentary programs are liberal) and FOX news programs are slightly right of center and FOX News commentary programs are conservative.
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Originally Posted by blackcat6 
..I think WCCB in the morning is a good compromise, but I have to mute it when they put that loudmouth bubba on...

He's better than the CamMan on WBTV smile.gif.
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Apparently Dr. Oz will be moving to WJZY next year as a result of the FOX-46 changeover. So I wonder if WSOC will then launch a 4:00 news program. Following similar Cox programming in Atlanta and Orlando. I normally watch the WBTV show at 4pm, as they have better anchors and a more appealing overall program. WCNC was better back when they had the 2 anchors at 4. The current version to me is bland and unappealing, despite some good reporting on that station.
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WBTV ran a brief banner on a show that I recorded Monday night where they are apparently fighting one of the pay TV providers over carriage payments again. Interestingly it wasn't on enough to say which one it was as it got cut off. I assume that Raycom's business plan these days isn't to make money from providing good TV but instead from extorting cable fees out of subscribers. This is my theory as to why they really dropped Thistv. i.e. TWC in CLT wouldn't carry it, and none of the satellite providers transmit the subchannels.
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Originally Posted by blackcat6 View Post

This is my theory as to why they really dropped Thistv. i.e. TWC in CLT wouldn't carry it, and none of the satellite providers transmit the subchannels.

The real reason is that Raycom owns a piece of Bounce TV, making it effectively a Bounce O&O, and they're backers of Mobile DTV and needed the bandwidth for that.

- Trip
post #6127 of 7662
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Originally Posted by blackcat6 View Post

WBTV ran a brief banner on a show that I recorded Monday night where they are apparently fighting one of the pay TV providers over carriage payments again. Interestingly it wasn't on enough to say which one it was as it got cut off. I assume that Raycom's business plan these days isn't to make money from providing good TV but instead from extorting cable fees out of subscribers. This is my theory as to why they really dropped Thistv. i.e. TWC in CLT wouldn't carry it, and none of the satellite providers transmit the subchannels.

Its Dish Network they are negotiating with. Dish does carry the sub-channels for all the Charlotte locals.
post #6128 of 7662
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Originally Posted by thomasjl View Post

....Dish does carry the sub-channels for all the Charlotte locals.

Not exactly...only if you have a DISH receiver with OTA capability and can receive those stations with an OTA antenna. DISH (or DirecTV) Locals only include the primary channel like WBTV 3-1, WSOC 9-1, WCCB 18-1, etc. The only exceptions to this are in smaller TV markets, where - yes - DISH or DirecTV may carry some sub-channels but only if the sub-channel is one of the "Big Four" networks, MyTV, or theCW. For example way up I-77 in the Beckley-Bluefield market, WVNS is the CBS affiliate but it also carries Fox on its 59-2 sub-channel. Also, WVVA is NBC but also carries theCW on its sub-channel. In both of these instances, DISH carries the aforementioned sub-channels so that Beckley-Bluefield viewers can see Fox and theCW.

Eric
post #6129 of 7662
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Originally Posted by eacalhoun View Post

Not exactly...only if you have a DISH receiver with OTA capability and can receive those stations with an OTA antenna. DISH (or DirecTV) Locals only include the primary channel like WBTV 3-1, WSOC 9-1, WCCB 18-1, etc. The only exceptions to this are in smaller TV markets, where - yes - DISH or DirecTV may carry some sub-channels but only if the sub-channel is one of the "Big Four" networks, MyTV, or theCW. For example way up I-77 in the Beckley-Bluefield market, WVNS is the CBS affiliate but it also carries Fox on its 59-2 sub-channel. Also, WVVA is NBC but also carries theCW on its sub-channel. In both of these instances, DISH carries the aforementioned sub-channels so that Beckley-Bluefield viewers can see Fox and theCW.

Eric

I have an receiver with OTA capability which is how I receive the sub-channels. In Charlotte I receive all the sub-channels via OTA and they are integrated into the guide data of my receiver.
post #6130 of 7662
Does Time Warner carry any of the Charlotte subchannels? Antenna TV, MeTV, This, or Bounce? Charter carries 4.2 ThisTV and 7.2 MeTV in clear qam. But I watch most of the subchannels, including Charlotte, with an OTA antenna.
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For the most part, satellite will not carry subchannels unless a subchannel is a big-four as previously stated. Notably, Directv does carry a few subchannels here and there, the only one locally being UNC-EX.

Both companies allow you to integrate an OTA signal, however. I believes Dish Network's OTA system uses all subchannels that are scanned by the antenna. Directv's system does not do this and uses an online database that never gets updates. Newer subchannels are therefore missing. I am not sure which suchannels are missing in Charlotte. Greensboro is missing 3, Raleigh is missing 4.

When the HR34 and HR44 receivers (known as Genie) first came out, they did OTA scanning but that is no longer the case. It is being phased out in the newest national software release. I lost mine last week.
Edited by ejb1980 - 7/24/13 at 1:01pm
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The satellite companies have to carry UNC-EX due to UNC finding a "loophole" (not really but i don't know a better word) in the must carry rules. Where UNC has more than one signal in a DMA (ex 58 & 17 in Charlotte, 25 & 19 here in east NC) they run UNC-EX on the .1 channel on one of the signals. Since both signals get must carry for the .1 channel, both UNC-TV main and UNC-EX get carried.
post #6133 of 7662
In markets where there is only one UNC channel, they still carry UNC-EX on a -2. For example, I get 26 UNC and 26-2 UNCEX from WUNL Winston-Salem in the Greensboro DMA.
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There is only one UNC uplink for the whole state. So it doesn't cost Direct any bandwidth to carry it everywhere, it's just a mapped channel. But that loophole is what got UNC-EX uplinked to begin with.

Similarly they got WUND/2 licensed to Edenton (from Columbia) a few years ago. It put the signal in the Norfolk DMA and got coverage on Cox Cable in the tidewater area.
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That makes sense and also explains why they are not identified by their call letters.
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Originally Posted by thomasjl View Post

I have an receiver with OTA capability which is how I receive the sub-channels. In Charlotte I receive all the sub-channels via OTA and they are integrated into the guide data of my receiver.

I was referring to transmitting them through their satellite system and hence liable for carriage charges. When I had Dish, I used my antenna with their receivers. The guide data was not complete. They were missing RetroTV, TuffTV & Family. We had quite a discussion here about it. Now that I'm using a MythTV DVR, I have complete guide data for all the CLT channels. I think people getting their signals through translators have issues with guide data even on the mainline channels.

Dish & Direct do not carry the subchannels. TWC carries some of them, but not all such as This. (I believe that the small municipal cable system in North Mecklenburg does carry This however.)

Maybe it's been fixed on Dish since I posted this here back in 2011. (this DVR looks so primitive to what I'm used to now)


Edited by blackcat6 - 7/25/13 at 3:31am
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They just had Dale Jr. on the Today Show this morning walking a dog around for some reason. And earlier he was talking about NASCAR returning to NBC. So will FOX still carry some of the NASCAR races as well?
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]Fox just.signed a new contact with nascar last year so I don't know when ESPN. And ABC and tnt contact ends

Nascar cut it ties with ABC/ESPN/tnt. And NBC pickup race that ABC/ESPN/tnt had

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2578997 news about nascar and nbc
Edited by LMckin - 7/25/13 at 7:00am
post #6139 of 7662
Also has any body notice that there is no local commercial on Antenna tv since fox took over 46
post #6140 of 7662
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Originally Posted by ejb1980 View Post

For the most part, satellite will not carry subchannels unless a subchannel is a big-four as previously stated. Notably, Directv does carry a few subchannels here and there, the only one locally being UNC-EX.

Both companies allow you to integrate an OTA signal, however. I believes Dish Network's OTA system uses all subchannels that are scanned by the antenna. Directv's system does not do this and uses an online database that never gets updates. Newer subchannels are therefore missing. I am not sure which suchannels are missing in Charlotte. Greensboro is missing 3, Raleigh is missing 4.

When the HR34 and HR44 receivers (known as Genie) first came out, they did OTA scanning but that is no longer the case. It is being phased out in the newest national software release. I lost mine last week.

U-verse also doesn't really carry subchannels right now though I mentioned before that I get METV (probably a national) I also get ION (listed as WGPX on some guide websites)
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Originally Posted by Skynet2029 View Post

U-verse also doesn't really carry subchannels right now though I mentioned before that I get METV (probably a national) I also get ION (listed as WGPX on some guide websites)

If you watch at the exact top of the hour, as the ION logo appears as the shows switch, watch and see if it says something like "Your ION station WGPX Burlington, NC" and you'll know for sure. It doesn't stay on the screen long and it's written very tiny. The ION-east national feed on Directv simply does not have this, and the infomercials in the morning are not always the same. Is it carried in HD? I assume you don't have Qubo, Ion Life, and Shop TV.
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Originally Posted by ejb1980 View Post

If you watch at the exact top of the hour, as the ION logo appears as the shows switch, watch and see if it says something like "Your ION station WGPX Burlington, NC" and you'll know for sure. It doesn't stay on the screen long and it's written very tiny. The ION-east national feed on Directv simply does not have this, and the infomercials in the morning are not always the same. Is it carried in HD? I assume you don't have Qubo, Ion Life, and Shop TV.

Qubo and Ion Life are part of u-verse in a package higher than mine don't know if it's in HD though because to get stuff in HD (even locals) it's an extra fee. Might just be a listing site's weirdness as to why it lists it as WGPX.
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Originally Posted by ejb1980 View Post

For the most part, satellite will not carry subchannels unless a subchannel is a big-four as previously stated. Notably, Directv does carry a few subchannels here and there, the only one locally being UNC-EX.

Both companies allow you to integrate an OTA signal, however. I believes Dish Network's OTA system uses all subchannels that are scanned by the antenna. Directv's system does not do this and uses an online database that never gets updates. Newer subchannels are therefore missing. I am not sure which suchannels are missing in Charlotte. Greensboro is missing 3, Raleigh is missing 4.

When the HR34 and HR44 receivers (known as Genie) first came out, they did OTA scanning but that is no longer the case. It is being phased out in the newest national software release. I lost mine last week.
Because of these DirecTV limitations with scanning all OTA subchannels, then I would choose Dish Network instead with an outside antenna integrated. If I were choosing between the 2 with the intention of supplementing with an OTA antenna.
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

Because of these DirecTV limitations with scanning all OTA subchannels, then I would choose Dish Network instead with an outside antenna integrated. If I were choosing between the 2 with the intention of supplementing with an OTA antenna.

The original poster is only partially correct.. the newer DirecTV DVR's CAN scan for channels. I have the Genie HR34 DVR with the AM21N Off Air tuner connected. It allowed me to input two zip codes (to access the list of channels that could be received) and then it does a scan. You can then choose from the channels it picks up as to which ones you include in your on screen guide. An added benefit with the "Genie" is that if you use the mini boxes connected to the Genie in other rooms the antenna feeds can also be accessed in those rooms.
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LOL, WBTV is running a clip where the guy that often gives the opinions is telling the Dish Network customers that if they lose WBTV, they ought to demand a refund from Dish Network since they are paying to receive the station. (good look with that) They give a phone number, presumably at Dish, they should call to hassle the satellite company.

There is another one running where they tell people to drop Dish and go with TWC or put up an antenna. I guess they really want their money from Dish.

The tactics are getting dirtier, but I suspect they will kiss and make up as they always do at the 0 hour.
post #6146 of 7662
personally, I think the fcc should require all mso's to publish ALL the carriage fees...then the public would know that it is not the broadcasters that are making their bills so high..ESPN +5$ a sub..Viacom and a few others I hate paying for...that would put and end to these fights..
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Originally Posted by blackcat6 View Post

LOL, WBTV is running a clip where the guy that often gives the opinions is telling the Dish Network customers that if they lose WBTV, they ought to demand a refund from Dish Network since they are paying to receive the station. (good look with that) They give a phone number, presumably at Dish, they should call to hassle the satellite company.

There is another one running where they tell people to drop Dish and go with TWC or put up an antenna. I guess they really want their money from Dish.

The tactics are getting dirtier, but I suspect they will kiss and make up as they always do at the 0 hour.

In the end, the cable and satellite companies always seem to work these disputes out with the broadcasters before the deadline. However, I must admit I was surprised last summer during the London Olympics when WXII Winston-Salem was pulled from the TWC lineup in the GSO market. This lasted for 10 days and TWC substituted WBRE Wilkes-Barre into the Greensboro market. TWC said they didn't have the rights to substitute the more logical NBC affiliate from Charlotte (WCNC) or the Triangle's NBC station (WNCN). However, they apparently did not have the authority to retransmit the very distant WBRE out of Pennsylvania either. There was an article in the local newspaper about it last summer when the owner of WBRE had suggested there might be legal action against TWC if they did not stop this unauthorized retransmission immediately. Conveniently, the dispute was worked out with Hearst (who owns WXII) within a very short time of that article; and WXII was back on the TWC lineup within no time.
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Originally Posted by cpalmer2k View Post

The original poster is only partially correct.. the newer DirecTV DVR's CAN scan for channels. I have the Genie HR34 DVR with the AM21N Off Air tuner connected. It allowed me to input two zip codes (to access the list of channels that could be received) and then it does a scan. You can then choose from the channels it picks up as to which ones you include in your on screen guide. An added benefit with the "Genie" is that if you use the mini boxes connected to the Genie in other rooms the antenna feeds can also be accessed in those rooms.

This feature is going away. The scanning will be gone soon on the Genies, already is gone for many, including me. There are many reports of it going away acreoss the country on Directv forums like this. It's truly a tragedy.

If there was a way to get Dish Network and only pay for the Superstations (KTLA, KWGN, WPIX, WWOR, WSBK) and Pac12 Network, I would totally do that, especially with their superior OTA integration. I am surprised the local broadcasters haven't pressured Directv to update the system for the AM21 database.
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I would suspect the WBTV issue with Dish Network will be resolved at the last minute, as it usually seems to be the case with these disputes. But because I use an antenna to supplement the OTA channels, I normally do not have to worry about these threats. However, there may be areas such as Rockingham or Chesterfield, SC where OTA reception of WBTV may be problematic. Only WCNC has translators to serve the far eastern fringes of the Charlotte market. And WSOC and WCCB should reach these areas more easily. But I understand CBS is also able to be received from WBTW in Florence, SC.
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Originally Posted by evan237 View Post

In the end, the cable and satellite companies always seem to work these disputes out with the broadcasters before the deadline. However, I must admit I was surprised last summer during the London Olympics when WXII Winston-Salem was pulled from the TWC lineup in the GSO market. This lasted for 10 days and TWC substituted WBRE Wilkes-Barre into the Greensboro market. .
I read on a couple of cord-cutter forums where people were so disgusted at the way NBC handled the Olympics it didn't matter anyway. They paid $5 to unblock-us and watched it directly on the BBC. (completely legal) Much better and real time coverage without the loud always hyper-ventilating TV "personalities" on NBC.

IMO, I think a number of companies that own local TV stations have gotten so addicted to carriage fees (which I don't believe existed in the past) they have forgotten and don't care about good broadcast TV. It's why WBTV has almost no content except for it's local news, Raycom sports and CBS. Beyond that, its all infomercials even during the middle of the day now. WSOC completely wastes WAXN in the same manner except there is no network programming there.

It's going to come back and bite them because this entire fight->makeup->pass on the increase to customers can't go on forever. When I signed up for Dish in 1999, I was paying $29.99/month. When I finally tossed them out in 2012, I was paying $117/month. (it would be $122 now) It was a huge and ridiculous increase not to mention that most of the channels had been turned into reality show garbage. It's gotten too easy to completely bypass them now as the BBC/Olympics proves.
Edited by blackcat6 - 7/28/13 at 3:07am
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