or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › HDTV › Local HDTV Info and Reception › Charlotte, NC - OTA
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Charlotte, NC - OTA - Page 229

post #6841 of 7649
You could probably receive the top 4 of those stations with a wire stuck in the back of the TV.

In regards to your question about the leaf style antennas, they are all about the same. i.e. some foil pressed between some cardboard and coated with plastic. They will receive most of the green stations on that report but they are pretty bad about dealing with multipath, interference, and wind & rain. Since you are downtown you can expect some reflections from the skyscrapers, i.e. multipath. Don't spend money on one with an amp. It would be a waste of cash.

No doubt you can get a leaf antenna to work, you live in a strong reception area, but expect to fool with it a lot to keep a lock on some of the stations. Don't put one of these antennas near electronics like a TV. The freevision is a much better designed antenna for urban environments. It's made to be mounted on a wall.
post #6842 of 7649
That Winegard Freevision could be a good choice, or he could also consider a Clearstream 2V from Walmart. And good if he is facing to the West to get WJZY, as most of the Panthers games are on FOX. Although every now and then they will have a CBS game on WBTV, and like this week the Sunday game is on NBC. And occaisionally WSOC will pick up an ESPN game.
post #6843 of 7649
I'm always amused at the TV maps of ice/snow/zombie apocalypse, where the approaching Armageddon always stops at the county lines. LOL Maybe those zombies are afraid of the high taxes in Mecklenburg.

I briefly switched to WCNC's news this morning and I immediately was taken back by how bad their news broadcast looks transmitted at SD resolution compared to the other channels. Funny thing about that. It looks as if some of their footage of the local football games is HD.
Edited by blackcat6 - 12/7/13 at 6:27am
post #6844 of 7649
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackcat6 View Post

I'm always amused at the TV maps of ice/snow/zombie apocalypse, where the approaching Armageddon always stops at the county lines. LOL Maybe those zombies are afraid of the high taxes in Mecklenburg.

I briefly switched to WCNC's news this morning and I immediately was taken back by how bad their news broadcast looks transmitted at SD resolution compared to the other channels. Funny thing about that. It looks as if some of their footage of the local football games is HD.

Lottery Pick-3 and local weather are pretty close to the same thing, if you play the Pick -3 everyday the odds are you will hit a combination once every 90-days kinda like getting our weather right. I still amazed how WSOC has excellent doppler unit, but it never duplicates what storm fronts are doing in our area. The best had to be the Tornado that hit off Plaza Road extension and 485 a few years ago, never a peep out of WSOC about their doppler picking it up...?
post #6845 of 7649
Yes WCNC video quality looks bad compared to the other stations. Hopefully Gannett will finally upgrade to HD newscasts when they take over. I think Belo deliberately delayed plans to let Gannett foot the bill. Their set is actually nice if they would replace some of the blue background with a different color scheme. But I think they do use HD cameras in the field sometimes.
post #6846 of 7649
WSOC supposedly has the most powerful Doppler radar in Charlotte. But I think that aforementioned tornado actually caught everybody a bit by surprise. Even the National Weather Service missed that one and failed to provide advanced warning. But then their bureau is now a bit far removed from the Charlotte metro now that it is headquartered here in Greer, SC. And parts of the Charlotte market are served by the weather bureaus in Blacksburg, Va. and Raleigh. Seems like they should have kept the weather service at Douglas Airport in Charlotte. But then that is government for you.
post #6847 of 7649
The November Sweeps ratings for Charlotte were released yesterday.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/12/06/4524444/fly-ty-joined-artie-goins-show.html#.UqN3Icu9KSN
post #6848 of 7649
I saw those ratings listed in the Saturday paper. WSOC is still the top rated newscast and WCCB has slipped a bit due to the affiliate change. WSOC newscast at 10 on WAXN is now #1, whereas WCCB has slipped from first to third. Although interestingly, CW ratings are better on WCCB than they were on WJZY, and FOX ratings were better on WCCB than WJZY. Go figure. Meanwhile, WJZY is preparing to launch their own newscast after the first of the year.
post #6849 of 7649
I would think WCNC would have to know they are never going to be a effective competitor in the local news market until they do something with their studio. Aside from content, that blue background is just too hard on the eyes (as has been discussed on this forum in the past). Visually, it's a complete turnoff.
post #6850 of 7649
I find this interesting about those ratings concerning the WCCB vs WJZY swap of Fox & CW.
  • FOX lost 19,000 viewers in Charlotte once it moved to WJZY (this is a stunning drop)
  • CW viewers in Charlotte are up 3,000 once it moved to WCCB (very nice since CW doesn't show as much programming as the others)

I've touched on this before, but I think that Rupert Murdoch's "generic" branding paradigm of WJZY and FOX is hurting their ratings. The big huge advantage of local TV over other medias such as streaming & subscription is that it is "local". I don't see why these numb minded programming executives don't get this and WJZY doesn't seem nearly as a Charlotte focused station. I remain of the opinion that if WCCB would invest in an hour news program at 6pm, of the same quality as the one at 10pm, they would give the others a run for the money especially for those who don't care to watch the useless and non-credible national broadcasts at 6:30.

I sort of tip my hat to WBTV for being brave enough to mention that not all people thought it was acceptable to lower the American flag for Nelson Mandela. They could have covered the issue better, but at least it's something.
post #6851 of 7649
Here in Upstate SC the Sheriff of Pickens County refused to lower the flag for Mandela because he is not an American citizen. That story was covered on local news here including WYFF-4 and WSPA-7. Perhaps WBTV picked up that story.
post #6852 of 7649
Quote:
Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

Here in Upstate SC the Sheriff of Pickens County refused to lower the flag for Mandela because he is not an American citizen. That story was covered on local news here including WYFF-4 and WSPA-7. Perhaps WBTV picked up that story.

They did. The other channels, as far as I know, continue this corporate media mime that Mandela is some kind of USA national hero and forget that he was a terrorist involved with an organization that killed a lot of innocent people. (never mind that lowering the flag for a non-American is also absolute nonsense).

Of course it really falls into the celebrity gushing category since it's a good distraction and not news in the USA to most people.
Edited by blackcat6 - 12/8/13 at 5:14am
post #6853 of 7649
Quote:
Originally Posted by evan237 View Post

I would think WCNC would have to know they are never going to be a effective competitor in the local news market until they do something with their studio. Aside from content, that blue background is just too hard on the eyes (as has been discussed on this forum in the past). Visually, it's a complete turnoff.

I think the local news ratings are affected by a station's network affiliation - look at how ABC News fared in the ratings and that translates to high ratings for WSOC. And, look at how NBC news fared - NBC's news plus its poor programming (IMHO) has an affect on WCNC, and other NBC affiliates. And don't get me started on NBC's boneheaded move regarding Jay Leno.

Eric
post #6854 of 7649
Quote:
Originally Posted by eacalhoun View Post

I think the local news ratings are affected by a station's network affiliation - look at how ABC News fared in the ratings and that translates to high ratings for WSOC. And, look at how NBC news fared - NBC's news plus its poor programming (IMHO) has an affect on WCNC, and other NBC affiliates. And don't get me started on NBC's boneheaded move regarding Jay Leno.

Eric

What you say makes sense and I think network affiliation is definitely a factor.....but it doesn't seem to explain everything concerning the ratings. As for NBC, I agree they made a boneheaded move regarding Jay Leno. I think that's going to cost them in the future.

On a different note, it's interesting how network affiliation and their ratings translates into higher or lower numbers in different markets (not just talking about the local news). For example, WXII Winston-Salem has always been a much stronger NBC affiliate versus WCNC Charlotte (despite the ups and downs of the NBC programming content through the years). And this stronger NBC affiliation has remained the case for WXII versus WCNC......even after Belo invested large amounts of money in WCNC in the late 1990's. On the other hand, WSOC is a stronger ABC affiliate in Charlotte versus the Triad affiliate (WXLV in overall ratings). Our local ABC has been like the stepchild of the big four in the Triad ever since they received the ABC affiliation from WGHP.

Aside from overall viewing (just talking local news), it's funny how all stations like to claim the number one spot (whether they are or not). But I think it's safe to say that WSOC and WBTV are the top players in local Charlotte news (as it appears they have been throughout their history). Here in the Triad, WGHP High Point has a long record of being one of the local news leaders. And it did not seem to make any difference when they switched affiliations from ABC to Fox in 1996. But WXII Winston-Salem has also reportedly won the Nielsen ratings in the Triad local news too recently. At the moment, I am not sure who is in the lead.

Logic would seem to tell us that network content (and it's popularity or lack thereof) is going to help drive who stays tuned for that particular station's local news. But then on the flip side, I have to wonder (to a smaller extent) how big of a factor the popularity of local news helps drive that particular station's network affiliation programming. Certainly, this would seem to be a smaller amount, but still a factor I suppose.
Edited by evan237 - Today at 1:59 pm
post #6855 of 7649
I believe nationally, NBC News has higher ratings than ABC.

I think around 2001 or so WCNC was becoming a true competitor with WBTV & WSOC. They had gotten serious about the News and also seemed to realize there was some value in being next door to the NBC News Channel. I think by the time the news team of Chris Justice, Terri Bennett & Chuck Howard had arrived they were certainly competitive with WBTV and I believe they were beating them at times in the ratings. (~ mid 2000s) They also had the Carolina Traveler. It's clear that WSOC goes directly after the Walmart crowd and because of that they will have the numbers. WCNC & WBTV fight over the rest.

I think the wheels started to come off between 2008-2010 and Belo has starved the station of investment and talent and the result shows. Certainly NBC can't be too happy with it. I notice that Belo had acquired a massive amount of debt which is probably one of the reasons it has turned out this way. Get in bed with the banksters and they get you every time. I think the first thing Gannet should do is immediately fire all the producers and then try to get some talent that are a cut above clowns at a circus.
Edited by blackcat6 - 12/8/13 at 11:53am
post #6856 of 7649
I am definitely disappointed that NBC has decided to replace Jay Leno yet again. Looks like they would have learned after the Conan mistake. Plus Leno is still the top rated late night show. Not a fan of Fallon. And now I see NBC has hired Sam Champion away from ABC to be managing director of The Weather Channel. And not even a meteorologist. Probably a move against GMA. Soon Sam shall probably show up subbing on Today and reporting on Nightly News.
post #6857 of 7649
Major breaking news: The Waffle House in Hickory does big business, rain or shine, winter storm or not. This was the only news WBTV could find in their on the scene report from the winter storm that wasn't. But we got a nice visit with the Sunday church crowd and the local waitress.
post #6858 of 7649
For you homemade antenna makers out there, I've discovered that in a pinch, some spare closet maid wire shelving makes for a good antenna reflector.
post #6859 of 7649
Quote:
Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

I am definitely disappointed that NBC has decided to replace Jay Leno yet again. Looks like they would have learned after the Conan mistake. Plus Leno is still the top rated late night show. Not a fan of Fallon. ...

 

Don't forget Jimmy Kimmel on ABC. His ratings have been improving since his show was moved from the time slot after Nightline to the 11:35 time slot. Of the three main late night shows on broadcast TV (Leno, Kimmel, and Letterman), Kimmel has the strongest long-term potential to keep drawing a good rating among the 18-49 age group that advertisers covet.

 

Leno's humor is too cutesy (or even corny) for my tastes.

I like humor that is a bit quirky and has more bite to it. Sometimes Letterman still has that, but Letterman was at his best during his years hosting Late Night on NBC. CBS has renewed his contract through 2015, but after that he will almost certainly retire.

 

However, a lot of people like Leno's brand of mild, ruffle-no-feathers humor, and I'm not sure that Fallon can make the adjustment to the 11:35 time slot.

 

The late night shows may fade away on broadcast TV. The best late night shows are Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert on Comedy Central. Unfortunately, those shows would not appeal to the mass audiences that the broadcast networks need.

post #6860 of 7649
Quote:
Originally Posted by veedon View Post

Don't forget Jimmy Kimmel on ABC. His ratings have been improving since his show was moved from the time slot after Nightline to the 11:35 time slot. Of the three main late night shows on broadcast TV (Leno, Kimmel, and Letterman), Kimmel has the strongest long-term potential to keep drawing a good rating among the 18-49 age group that advertisers covet.

Leno's humor is too cutesy (or even corny) for my tastes.
I like humor that is a bit quirky and has more bite to it. Sometimes Letterman still has that, but Letterman was at his best during his years hosting Late Night on NBC. CBS has renewed his contract through 2015, but after that he will almost certainly retire.

However, a lot of people like Leno's brand of mild, ruffle-no-feathers humor, and I'm not sure that Fallon can make the adjustment to the 11:35 time slot.

The late night shows may fade away on broadcast TV. The best late night shows are Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert on Comedy Central. Unfortunately, those shows would not appeal to the mass audiences that the broadcast networks need.

Well I recently just turned 49 years old. So I guess that puts me at the tail in of that advertisers covet for Kimmel's show. I like Leno, but I can also watch Kimmel.
post #6861 of 7649
Quote:
Originally Posted by veedon View Post


Leno's humor is too cutesy (or even corny) for my tastes.
I like humor that is a bit quirky and has more bite to it. Sometimes Letterman still has that, but Letterman was at his best during his years hosting Late Night on NBC. CBS has renewed his contract through 2015, but after that he will almost certainly retire.

However, a lot of people like Leno's brand of mild, ruffle-no-feathers humor, and I'm not sure that Fallon can make the adjustment to the 11:35 time slot.

Certainly Letterman was a far better entertainer during his Late Night years than now.
But, his CBS show started well. For me, the loss of Bill Wendell, and the marginalizing of Calvert Deforest caused me to stop watching;
the production shifted from where I was comfortable. The motif that Letterman kinda lived in another world was lost.
The real life Letterman ain't that funny.
With the exception of Don Rickles, Leno was the best host of the Carson produced Tonight! show.
I haven't thought much of the Leno production.
post #6862 of 7649
I like Leno's monologue, Headlines, Jaywalking, and man in the street interview segments. But Letterman does a good show also. And I often switch over depending upon the guests that night. With Fallon's show staying in NYC, it may give Kimmel the edge for some of the Hollywood guest list.
post #6863 of 7649
Does anyone receive WSPA-7 or WLOS-13 in parts of Mecklenburg, Gaston, or York counties? I know this was possible back in the analog days. As well as some Columbia or Greensboro channels in parts of the Charlotte area. Just wondering about overlapping signals since the digital conversion. I am able to receive the Dallas signals here in Greenville, SC, and often WSOC and WCCB at night.
post #6864 of 7649
Yes... I receive WLOS and WSPA here... WSPA is much easier to catch, but WLOS if I turn my antenna right at Mt. Pisgah, around 60-70%. My weather radio picks up the signal from there as well, around 5 bars if I aim the antenna out the window.
post #6865 of 7649
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmccurrytech View Post

Yes... I receive WLOS and WSPA here... WSPA is much easier to catch, but WLOS if I turn my antenna right at Mt. Pisgah, around 60-70%. My weather radio picks up the signal from there as well, around 5 bars if I aim the antenna out the window.
I thought that was probably the case. And I believe WSPA may still make it into parts of Mecklenburg County.
post #6866 of 7649

Charlotte nc channel 36 NBC

Over the air reception is difficult, in and out.  Have used both inside and attic antenna.  Suggestions? 

post #6867 of 7649
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmdw View Post

Over the air reception is difficult, in and out.  Have used both inside and attic antenna.  Suggestions? 
Where are you located? Do you have a good UHF antenna? WCNC-36 broadcasts from the same tower location as WBTV-3 and WJZY-46 in Dallas, NC. But they do use a side-mounted antenna which has some nulls in certain directions, mainly to the south and west. Perhaps you need an amp? But I do receive 36 at 75 miles here in northern Greenville County, SC. Although signal strength is a bit weaker than WBTV and WJZY.
post #6868 of 7649
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmdw View Post

Over the air reception is difficult, in and out.  Have used both inside and attic antenna.  Suggestions? 

Go to TVFool.com, get a plot for your address, and link it here. Let us know what antennas you are using. We can give a good recommendation then. WCNC does seem to be troublesome in some areas even in Mecklenburg but it can be solved.
post #6869 of 7649
Quote:
Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

Does anyone receive WSPA-7 or WLOS-13 in parts of Mecklenburg, Gaston, or York counties? I know this was possible back in the analog days. As well as some Columbia or Greensboro channels in parts of the Charlotte area. Just wondering about overlapping signals since the digital conversion. I am able to receive the Dallas signals here in Greenville, SC, and often WSOC and WCCB at night.
Interesting that you ask that. I had been thinking of trying to pick up WLOS with a HBU55 based on what I saw with the HBU33 in Myrtle Beach. Theoretically it's possible from my location. (Huntersville) I don't think there would be any problem at with WSPA as I used to get it, from time to time, back in the analog days using a very poor performing omnidirectional antenna stuck in the attic. Part of the reason is just scientific curiosity on my part as there is no compelling reason for me to want to pick WLOS up otherwise. It would however fix the ongoing issue that I have with WCNC since it's located in the same general direction and beam on that antenna is more than adequate.

The only thing holding me back at the moment is that is a rather large antenna and to mount it properly will take a bit of work and I'm tied up doing some remodeling inside the house. I''m also not fond of being on the roof on cold, windy rainy days either.

A good acquaintance of mine was a reporter/anchor for WLOS way back in the early 80s. She reported news from GSP and they were limited to stuff that happened before 1PM as they had to get the physical film(?)/tape up the mountain to WLOS to be processed in time for the 6pm news. LOL
Edited by blackcat6 - 12/11/13 at 1:55am
post #6870 of 7649
There is no compelling reason for me to watch WLOS either, except it is my only source for ABC as I am just beyond range for WSOC. Although I do often receive 9.1 and the 9.5 translator at night. For the most part, now, 13 covers mostly Asheville and the Western NC mountain areas, and leaves Upstate SC to WYFF-4 and WSPA-7. And their antenna pattern has a bit of a null to the south and east, primarily to avoid interference with WBTW which is also RF13 in Florence, SC. Their height on Mt. Pisgah is their main advantage because of their spotty pattern and moderate power level. WSPA has a more consistent signal from Hogback Mtn.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Local HDTV Info and Reception
AVS › AVS Forum › HDTV › Local HDTV Info and Reception › Charlotte, NC - OTA