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post #31 of 810
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Originally posted by Rutgar
In the picture where you show the outlet in the middle of the GOM panel. How did you do that?


Below is a photo of a frame, before any fabric, with a receptacle on the left side. The low Voltage box is deep enough where it butt up against the existing box (not sure thei is to code but it works). It is also a box for existing work so it has the little blue wings on the back the box that sandwiches the MDF between the front and back of the box.


LL
post #32 of 810
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Here is a photo of the back of the frame with fabric and the acoustics installed. It shows the blue wings that hold he box in place


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post #33 of 810
Greg,
Thank you for taking the time to post the pics of the frame with your electrical box. I am at that stage where I have been pondering options and like your approach better than what I came up with.

Nice job on the panels.

Best regards
Don
post #34 of 810
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Below is a photo of some of this weeks progress putting up more frames. Fifty seven of th frames are complete. The remaining frames will cover the door to the equipment rack and the A/C return in the rear.


LL
post #35 of 810
You know the frames look really nice, but I think it is the lighting that really sets them off. If you had just room lighting without that wallwash effect I don't think they would look near as good. Again, great job.
post #36 of 810
The panels look really beautiful! Can you tell me what color/pattern of GOM this is?
post #37 of 810
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Originally posted by GPowers
Below is a photo of some of this weeks progress butting up more frames. Fifty seven of th frames are complete. The remaining frames will cover the door to the equipment rack and the A/C return in the rear.



Wow that looks good!!!

Craig
post #38 of 810
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Originally posted by Lawrence_Chiu
The panels look really beautiful! Can you tell me what color/pattern of GOM this is?

Gray on the soffit and columns: Spinel 3582 color 021 Obbsidian
Black on the screen wall: Sensa 9218 color 718 Black
Wall frames: Spinel 3582 color 022 Garnet
post #39 of 810
Greg,

Nice look!
post #40 of 810
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Originally posted by bellm
Greg,

What are the dimensions of your panels? How are they attached on the wall? Do you plan to place pictures of the process of making them on your website?

Fantastic theater! For my taste, the best on the AVS forum


thanks,

Michael

Frames are 21" high, 30" wide and 1" thick. Just right to match the width of 65" width of the GOM fabric. You can cover two frames by cutting the fabric in half.

Frames are attached using liquid nails and 2" brads. Tried the Velcro but did not like it.

Web site has been updated. A section was added for the fabric Frames



Greg's GOM frames
post #41 of 810
Hi Greg,

Fantastic look. I love the beveled edges and am thinking of doing something very similar.

Question about the linocoustic and batting. How did you install that? Does it mount somehow in the frame itself or are you mounting the linocoustic on the wall with something like fender washers and then installing the frame over the linocoustic? Same question for the batting.

I'd also be super interested to hear more of your thoughts on the attachment method. That's been a trouble spot for me. Pros and cons of velcro vs liquid nials / brads. I've also been kicking around the idea of decorative bolts. I have three walls that slant inward at about a 45 degree so I've got some extra concerns about how secure the panel will be attached the wall. I'll be fighting gravity a little as opposed to a vertical wall.

Thanks so much for sharing your work. It's an inspiration! Great job.

J
post #42 of 810
JoeBryant
I am currently testing Commercial Velcro to decide if I will use it or not. I have it in the corner of my garage on the ceiling with a hammer hanging on it. Waiting to see if it hangs on long enough. So far so good. I am not parking my car underneath it thou.

Ozzie
post #43 of 810
Ozzie do you have a means of incrementally increasing weight till failure? I know crazy question.
post #44 of 810
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Originally posted by JoeBryant
Hi Greg,

Question about the linocoustic and batting. How did you install that? Does it mount somehow in the frame itself or are you mounting the linocoustic on the wall with something like fender washers and then installing the frame over the linocoustic? Same question for the batting.


J

Thanks for the kind words.

The linocoustic and batting are just pressed in the frame before it is attached to the wall. The fabric is tight enough were is just states in place. You might not even need the the batting. The only thing holding the linocoustic and batting is the frame and the fabric. Here is a photo of the back of a frame. The frame has a floating receptacle so part of the back of the frame is solid:

post #45 of 810
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Originally posted by GPowers
Thanks for the kind words.

The linocoustic and batting are just pressed in the frame before it is attached to the wall. The fabric is tight enough were is just states in place. You might not even need the the batting. The only thing holding the linocoustic and batting is the frame and the fabric. Here is a photo of the back of a frame. The frame has a floating receptacle so part of the back of the frame is solid:


Creative idea.. !!!

Craig
post #46 of 810
Outstanding work Greg,

I'm just starting construction on my HT and had similar idea in mind for wall treatment. I have one question regarding the inside corners where two walls come together.

How did you handle the bevels meeting in the corner??? I have tried to visualize how these will come together and can't seem to figure it out.
post #47 of 810
Holy CR*P MAN!!!

That is a lot of work!!

The system on my walls is a plastic track which is simply nailed into place. Then the fabric is stretched over that and pressed into the track with something resembling a pizza cutter. Makes it easy to change out the fabric later.

But man!!! Gotta admire the thought and design that went into all of this. The end results are stunning!!
post #48 of 810
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Originally posted by SR1355
Outstanding work Greg,

I have one question regarding the inside corners where two walls come together.


I cut a one inch by one inch strip of wood out of a 2 x 4 the runs floor to ceiling. Covered it with the same gray GOM that the columns are covered with. Then the frames butt up against the 1 x 1 with a non beveled edge. It creates a nice corner. The other option was to put a column in the corner. But I like the option better, it was cleaner and less bulky.

I will take a close up of the corner and post it.
post #49 of 810
Greg,

I didn't even think of that. I kept trying to continue to bevel detail through the corner. I'd like to see that close up when you have time to post it.

Thanks for the info.
post #50 of 810
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Originally posted by PeterS
Holy CR*P MAN!!!

That is a lot of work!!

The system on my walls is a plastic track which is simply nailed into place. Then the fabric is stretched over that and pressed into the track with something resembling a pizza cutter. Makes it easy to change out the fabric later.


Thanks Peter, it was allot of work. Spent all of my two weeks of Christmas vacation building frames.

I looked at the products that are commercially available, but my budget would not allow it. So I had to come up with a sweat equity solution. Basically my cost was 3 sheets of 1/2 MDF 3 sheets of 15/32 plywood ,10 tubes of Liquid Nails, 32 oz of glue, a router bit, and about 3000 1 inch brads. And i better not change my mind on the fabric.
post #51 of 810
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Originally posted by GPowers
Gray on the soffit and columns: Spinel 3582 color 021 Obbsidian
Black on the screen wall: Sensa 9218 color 718 Black
Wall frames: Spinel 3582 color 022 Garnet

Greg,

Great job! Looks sweet!

When you installed the panels under the soffits, I assume there was no backing behind the fabric? Was there any issues with the lights on the soffits? Did you just cut a hole and install the panel or did you frame out around the hole for the light using MDF? What kind of lights are those?

Thanks,

Bud
post #52 of 810
Very nice work Greg. We think along the same lines. I am impressed you had the patience to take pictures along the way.

I did something similar but with multiple, hanging, large panels throughout a multi-purpose room. I used 1" MDF (yes, messy) and a 1/4" piece of luan plywood on the back to give it the needed rigidity, triangulation and good staple material (I stapled the fabric on). Then I cut large holes in the 1/4" luan for a little airgap behind. I also added a little frame in the middle to put a nail into to hang pictures on it...strictly for the WAF...obviously not for performance.

Also, I use acousticotton (expensive) so if my kids use a panel as a "birm," banking off one as they round the couch, it doesn't damage the panel by compressing the dampening material. Nevertheless, my finish fabric (at $16/yrd) is more than half the price of my panel (discounting the time it took to make them).

As Greg knows, take your time, plan your project, and make sure you have the right tools. It is not hard to do...but man...it takes a TON of time and patience! If at all possible, practice on a single smaller panel before making a big materials commitment. That way you will know what you are really getting into, and if you are even capable of creating a finished product that meets your quality control requirement.

I wrote up something a while back for another AVS member that described my process, but my HD crashed last summer and I am not certain I still have it. If anyone is interested in it, pm me your email and I will see if I can find it. It is a big file since it has images.
post #53 of 810
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Originally posted by PeterS
The system on my walls is a plastic track which is simply nailed into place. Then the fabric is stretched over that and pressed into the track with something resembling a pizza cutter. Makes it easy to change out the fabric later.

Peter, out of curiousity, what is the plastic track you're talking about?
post #54 of 810
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Originally posted by chinadog
Greg,

Great job! Looks sweet!

When you installed the panels under the soffits, I assume there was no backing behind the fabric? Was there any issues with the lights on the soffits? Did you just cut a hole and install the panel or did you frame out around the hole for the light using MDF? What kind of lights are those?

Thanks,

Bud

Frames were not used on the soffits. The fabric on the soffits goes from the wall along the bottom of the soffit, up the front and over into the light tray. I added one inch strips of 3/4 MDF to create a 1 inch cavity for linocoustic. Addition blocking, 1 inch thick, was add around the seagule lights. The photo below is looking down the length of a soffit just before installing the linocoustic. The wall is to the right, with the 1" x 3/4" strip of MDF.

This photo showed a section of the MDF soffit before the 1 inch strip were added:

post #55 of 810
Greg, thanks for the response.

Sorry, to be OT. From your first picture it looks as though the lights are low voltage. I like the look of many small lights installed in/on the soffit. I have four sconces wired now, but they are very close to the front and back walls and am thinking of taking them out. I'm still in the frmaing/wiring phase, so it won't be hard to do. You mentioned seagule ... are these just the accent spots you find at HD that you put in cabinets. They're usually surface mounted or recessed?

I like your technique for your soffits. I did it the hard way. I actually framed mine out with 2x4s and need to figure out a way to add a tray for the rope lighting. Once I have the rope light tray, I'll use your technique for handling the fabric on the soffit.

Thanks again,

Bud
post #56 of 810
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Originally posted by chinadog
Greg, thanks for the response.

...From your first picture it looks as though the lights are low voltage. I like the look of many small lights installed in/on the soffit. ....
Bud

They are low voltage recessed lights that were a special order at lowes.

Sea Gull Lighting: Black Miniature Recessed Light
Item #: 9412-12
Finish: Black
Seagull LV recessed light
post #57 of 810
Greg,
You need to put transformer for those lights, right? Are they quiet? Where did you put them? Thanks.
post #58 of 810
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Originally posted by mich5
Greg,
You need to put transformer for those lights, right? Are they quiet? Where did you put them? Thanks.

Yes there is a transformer. I did not purchase the high dollar one form SeaGull, but opted for one that was cheaper from lowes. Just make sure it has the correct wattage to drive all your lights.

The transformer does have a very low hum. I mounted in the closed behind the equipment rack. You can not hear it. The transformer has not caused a problem with the video or audio. I did have a problem with the sub-woofer when i first set things up but it was the audio cable between the sound processor and the sub.

Greg
post #59 of 810
Greg,
That is beautiful work! I was in a high-end HT store today. One of the rooms had individual panels covering all the walls and the price for those was something like $24,000!
post #60 of 810
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Originally posted by SR1355
Greg,

I didn't even think of that. I kept trying to continue to bevel detail through the corner. I'd like to see that close up when you have time to post it.

Thanks for the info.

Here is a photo of the finished corner:


LL
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