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post #811 of 1062
Yesterday I had an interesting thing happen that I've never seen before as far as I can remember.

I came home and the NBC news hadn't been recorded on my XS32. (one other half hour show set to record during the day DID record).

I expected the machine to be completely full since I had a repeating recording for the biggest loser set up, and I had only about 1 hour 15 min free when I left.

Other shows had recorded on my Tivos when the news was on, so it wasn't a power outage.

Later I tried to start recording manually (record button) on my XS32 and got an interesting error dialog. It said something like:

Unable to start recording because there is not enough free space or data complexity.

Data complexity?? Maybe that is a sign that the people who have been talking about fragmenting issues all along aren't wrong.

I'm not sure.. but I was able to delete a few things (after dubbing off an 'er' to make space and in case the machine was about to go 'corrupted').. and then recorded a few times successfully. (Sometimes when I record things natively on my Tivos, I will dub them to the XS32 so that I can watch at 1.5x with sound.. to essentially watch more stuff in less time.. not sitcoms/dramas.. only things like news shows and talk shows.)

I set up the recordings to record on my Tivo today just in case I miss 'em.
post #812 of 1062
mattack, I've never seen a "data complexity" error, but I rarely let my XS32 HDD get close to full. The limited free space message popped up only a few times over the past 3 years, and I've always offloaded enough to get it below 50%.

I'm sure fragmentation can be an issue on consumer dvrs, especially with repeated operation in the mostly full range, or if your editing techniques favor deleting multiple smaller segments, etc. The UDF file system theoretically has fewer fragmentation problems than FAT and NTFS, but I really don't expect Toshiba's HDD routines to be as robust as those written for a pc. I also wouldn't be too confident in the XS firmware's ability to properly recover all fragments, so they might build up over time even if you get it away from full.

Page 86 of the XS32 manual has a few fragmentation warnings. If I want to edit out parts of a title, I never delete segments. I always create a playlist and do an HDD--HDD hi speed dub, or simply hi speed dub individual chapters. If you do that, and keep, I don't know, maybe at least 15% free space, I think you're much safer.

I'd recommend that you burn everything you can, or at least, the things you'd really hate to lose. Of course, the safest would be to format the HDD, even if you have to put everything on -RW and then dub back. I'd be very uncomfortable after the data complexity error.
post #813 of 1062
I'm not 100% positive, but after running into the error again, I have another idea.

I think there's probably a limited number of titles possible. This is going to sound nuts, but remember that most of my recordings are ~5 minute musical performances from shows. I have 66 pages of recordings. It *seems* like I get this error when I try to record with 66 full pages of recordings.. i.e. they hit the maximum number of files.
post #814 of 1062
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Originally Posted by mattack View Post

I'm not 100% positive, but after running into the error again, I have another idea.

I think there's probably a limited number of titles possible. This is going to sound nuts, but remember that most of my recordings are ~5 minute musical performances from shows. I have 66 pages of recordings. It *seems* like I get this error when I try to record with 66 full pages of recordings.. i.e. they hit the maximum number of files.

Not nuts at all. I remember reading that the XS32 limits DVD titles to 99, and HDD titles to something like 399. 66 pages x 6 = 396. Hmm, coincidence?

I know Toshiba error messages can be somewhat cryptic, but I thought you'd get a "Maximum number of titles" kind of message, rather than a non-helpful one about data complexity. And, I didn't think you actually had 66 pages of thumbnails!
post #815 of 1062
Wow, I thought I was a bit out of control with 12-15 pages of programs..
post #816 of 1062
mattack - was this the message you got:

"Recording cannot be performed due to complexity of data. Try eliminating non-essential data on the HDD."


The XS34 manual lists a maximum of 396 titles on the HDD, so I think that confirms your XS32 limit, as it probably applies to most/all XS models. The XS54 manual says this about DVD writes, "Also, even if the number of titles and chapters is within the limit, you may not be able to write if you have a large number of menu items." That may also apply to the HDD. Moral of the story - stay away from extraordinarily large numbers of titles/chapters on the HDD or DVDs.

Oh, and thanks for being the first to confirm the 396 title limit.
post #817 of 1062
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Originally Posted by rickc5 View Post

mattack - was this the message you got:

"Recording cannot be performed due to complexity of data. Try eliminating non-essential data on the HDD."

Nope. It really did say something about (paraphrase) "lack of disk space or data complexity". That is, it mentioned both of those as possibilities.

I really would have hoped for a less lame error message.
post #818 of 1062
Hopefully I'll have far fewer than 66 pages when I get off my butt to (1) get Tivo->Mac transfers working (using freeware software, without having to buy Toast), (2) edit the recordings similar to the XS32 -- i.e. simple 'keep even or odd chapters' kind of thing...
then after that, find a way to rip my XS32-created DVDs (some just DVD-RWs to get stuff off of XS32 on to computer) and do the same kind of thing..

i.e. some way I can *organize* all of my musical performances (one folder for U2, for example), and hopefully have double-clickable files that I could then theoretically re-burn onto DVD later if I wanted to. But even though I got an XS32 to avoid the at-the-time more painful computer editing (i.e. through a digitizer), now that we can transfer faster than realtime between Tivos & a computer... now I'm leaning towards a computer and just a big external hard drive...
post #819 of 1062
Okay, how about this one:

It is not possible to record additional content to this disc due to lack of remaining space or complexity of data.

Sorry to be persistent, but I've been looking thru the firmware on another model, and I'm trying to get a handle on how much code was reutilized.

I'm kind of thinking about a MediaGate type server with external hard drive(s). That way I could still use the Toshiba for all my recording, easy edits and burning to dvd, then copy/rip the dvd to the hard drive and play the VOB/ISO files with the server. It may sound like an extra step, but since I'd want to backup video stored on any hard drive to dvds anyway, it's just doing the backup first. And I'd still have the dvds to play and dub as I do now.
post #820 of 1062
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Originally Posted by rickc5 View Post

Okay, how about this one:

It is not possible to record additional content to this disc due to lack of remaining space or complexity of data.

Yeah that sounds right. I don't really want to purposely fill up 66 pages again, but might.. (I think I'm 1 or 2 titles short as of tonight.)
post #821 of 1062
If you can actually figure out anything about the DISK FORMAT used, that would be awesome.. I'd love to recover stuff on my previously hosed XS32 drive. 99% of it I probably don't care about, but it'd still be good.
post #822 of 1062
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Originally Posted by mattack View Post

Has anybody seen the current recording quality setting change on them?

I could swear this has started happening in the past few months.. I can't figure out what's causing it.

e.g. I change the recording quality to my setting #4 (1.4, audio setting 1)
at some point later, the recording quality has changed to one of the others, e.g. 2.0, LPCM. I notice this usually when I'm using the disk space button to see how much space I have left.

This sure seems to have started lately.

In a word, yes. I have a Toshiba RD-XS34 and have noticed the same thing on multiple occasions. I always use the SP (level 2) setting and it seems to randomly change to other lowers (worse quality) settings on its own. Like you I have no idea why it does this. I try to make it a point to try to go into setup and verify the setting before recording/burning new material.
post #823 of 1062
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Originally Posted by stevewinks View Post

In a word, yes. I have a Toshiba RD-XS34 and have noticed the same thing on multiple occasions. I always use the SP (level 2) setting and it seems to randomly change to other lowers (worse quality) settings on its own. Like you I have no idea why it does this. I try to make it a point to try to go into setup and verify the setting before recording/burning new material.

I think later I noticed something relevant. I haven't proven this, but I *think* that this happens when you delete a recording.

It *SEEMS* like when you delete a recording, the current recording format is now set to the recording right BEFORE the one you deleted. Just like that is the one that is set to 'currently play'.

In other words, most of my recordings are at two different quality levels (with relatively few different than those two). i.e. I use the absolute bare minimum for my time shifting.. and 2.0/LPCM for most recordings I care about the audio.

So if my theory above is correct, it will seem random since which recording I 'land' on is either the same or not the same as my current recording quality, making it seem inconsistent.
post #824 of 1062
I just joined this forum. I am unsure how to do this. Could someone help me as to how to start a new post about my rd-xs32su? My question is as follows, can I hook this up to my new Samsung Plasma 4254 to record TV shows like I did on my old 4:3 analog tv? If so, how do I do it, what cables where?Thanks in advance Lenny
post #825 of 1062
Sprint777, here are two posts that might help, combined w/any specific Toshiba advice you might get. They're in a Philips 3575 thread but should apply to many other DVDRs, if you ignore any specific comments on the 3575 (substitute "Tosh" for "3575"):

Using the RF/coax passthru.

Cables and Connections.
post #826 of 1062
OK I have s video from cable box to s video on recorder. I have tried the red and white rca plugs on almost everything and no audio. I also have composite from the recorder to plasma tv and also rw audio cables from the recorder output to plasma and have sound when I play dvd just fine. I turn volume down on tv and use surround sound into plasma. I can't figure out why no audio when I am on L1 with tv on. It records ok but no audio. I hope someone can figure this out. I definetly need a diagram or instuctions on cable hookup. Also how do I hookup up the ir cable? Thanks in advance
post #827 of 1062
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Originally Posted by sprint777 View Post

I definetly need a diagram or instuctions on cable hookup.

Here's a link to Toshiba's downloadable pdf owner's manuals and installation guides. The 11th model down the list is the XS32. The connection diagrams start on page 13 of the installation guide:

http://tacpservice.toshiba.com/Consu...nuals/dvdr.asp

Good luck!
post #828 of 1062
I admit this is a tangent to this thread, but the readers of this thread have tried a lot of other burners in this machine to replace the original burner.

Has anybody been able to find firmware upgrades on LG's site? I have the LG HSA-42N, and the only vaguely related thing I can even find is the manual for the HSA-42LI, which is a different drive altogether.

Do they even have firmware upgrades for these drives? If so, does someone have a bookmark to the specific firmware page on their site? The 'support' seems to just be manuals, and again, I couldn't even find mine.

I was hoping there might be a firmware upgrade that might help me be able to read unfinalized discs from the orig drive.
post #829 of 1062
I own an RD-XS35 that use I for copying movies that I have recorded on my DirecTV HR 20-700. I recently had to send my unit back to Toshiba to have the hard drive replaced, and yesterday, I tried to make a DVD for the first time since getting the unit back, and I experienced an error that I have never seen before. I attempted to high speed dub the recorded content and when I hit copy, I get a message thagt says, "It is not possible to dub additional content to this disk". I called Toshiba, and the guy told me the recorded content was too big for the disk, and that I needed to rate conversion dub it...

I swear I have high speed dubbed HD movies to DVD in the past....is it a settings issue or something?
post #830 of 1062
mattack, I never could find firmware downloads on LG's site, either. I've run across a couple of other sites with LG firmware, but I've never tried them and can't vouch for their reliability. Here's one for the H42L: http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driv...ormation/8943/

You know, some of the Memorex drives are basically LGs inside, so there's a possibility that the right Memorex firmware might work in the right LG, and Memorex has firmware downloads on their site. Of course, I would never try this unless I did more research and didn't mind frying my LG drive...
post #831 of 1062
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Originally Posted by smoberly View Post

I own an RD-XS35 that use I for copying movies that I have recorded on my DirecTV HR 20-700. I recently had to send my unit back to Toshiba to have the hard drive replaced, and yesterday, I tried to make a DVD for the first time since getting the unit back, and I experienced an error that I have never seen before. I attempted to high speed dub the recorded content and when I hit copy, I get a message thagt says, "It is not possible to dub additional content to this disk". I called Toshiba, and the guy told me the recorded content was too big for the disk, and that I needed to rate conversion dub it...

I swear I have high speed dubbed HD movies to DVD in the past....is it a settings issue or something?

You possibly recorded it at slightly too high a setting and it's just barely too big for the DVD. I've had this issue when I've miscalculated the true length of a show after editing out the commercials and it ends up being just a minute or two too long.

Just for kicks try to make a new playlist using just the first 1/2 hour or hour or something and try to burn it and see if it works.
post #832 of 1062
Well I have one of these boxes and I believe ever since I got my HDTV cable box I can't get the IR Receiver to work anymore.

Is it because of a new Scientific Atlanta code that this Tosh is not compatible with? Is there any way to fix this?

Also, when powering the unit on, sometimes (very random) it just turns on and the "loading" icon flashes for a few minutes as the hard drive is supposed to be prepped. But nothing happens. I end up having to hard shut it down and try again. One time the DVD drive made very loud and weird noises when I closed the tray with no disk inside... There seems to be a lot of problems with it now (old, much?).
post #833 of 1062
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Originally Posted by jmscott42 View Post

You possibly recorded it at slightly too high a setting and it's just barely too big for the DVD. I've had this issue when I've miscalculated the true length of a show after editing out the commercials and it ends up being just a minute or two too long.

Just for kicks try to make a new playlist using just the first 1/2 hour or hour or something and try to burn it and see if it works.

I did try that--and yes, you can high speed dub...so does that tell me I need to record at a lower bit rate?
post #834 of 1062
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Originally Posted by smoberly View Post

I did try that--and yes, you can high speed dub...so does that tell me I need to record at a lower bit rate?

Sounds like it-- it's probably just a tiny bit too big. You can always try to edit out a minute or two here or there and see if it helps. If you still have the original, just drop the bit rate down a step or two from your original recording and it should be ok.
post #835 of 1062
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Originally Posted by xtremesniper View Post

Well I have one of these boxes and I believe ever since I got my HDTV cable box I can't get the IR Receiver to work anymore.

Is it because of a new Scientific Atlanta code that this Tosh is not compatible with? Is there any way to fix this?

xtremesniper,

Just to cover the bases...you have checked in Setup under Set Top Box Settings?
CableBox/DBS -> C.Box
Select Input -> (your choice)
IR Control -> On
Brand type -> 008

I don't know which SA box you have but The SA 8300HD and other SA boxes use the remote code 008.

I did have a similar problem with the IR Receiver not working. Turns out the wire got jerked and slightly bent the plug. Check the little mono style jack and see if its bent. They damage easily. I just grabbed another IR Receiver from a Mitsubishi DVHS deck that I never use and that one works perfectly. Some IR Receivers use stereo style jacks. Make sure you get one with the mono style jack.

Sorry but I can't help you with your other problems. It may be time to open it up and make sure all the jacks and plugs are tightly connected....or start swapping out the HDD and burner to see if you can find the problem.

Later, Conrad
post #836 of 1062
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Originally Posted by ConradWS View Post

xtremesniper,

Just to cover the bases...you have checked in Setup under Set Top Box Settings?
CableBox/DBS -> C.Box
Select Input -> (your choice)
IR Control -> On
Brand type -> 008

I don't know which SA box you have but The SA 8300HD and other SA boxes use the remote code 008.

I did have a similar problem with the IR Receiver not working. Turns out the wire got jerked and slightly bent the plug. Check the little mono style jack and see if its bent. They damage easily. I just grabbed another IR Receiver from a Mitsubishi DVHS deck that I never use and that one works perfectly. Some IR Receivers use stereo style jacks. Make sure you get one with the mono style jack.

Sorry but I can't help you with your other problems. It may be time to open it up and make sure all the jacks and plugs are tightly connected....or start swapping out the HDD and burner to see if you can find the problem.

Later, Conrad

Hey thanks for the advice, all my settings seem to match the ones you specified. I will go through again to make sure I am using 008 because I do think that I'm using the same box. I called Toshiba once and they mentioned that a firmware update might help, and that they would send me a cd. They never sent it.

But if you say that yours works with the SA hd box, then maybe it's something wrong with the IR receiver... when I plug it into the box and I press channel buttons, nothing seems to be emitted. I check that by pointing a video camera at the IR, because usually cameras pick up on those pulses.
post #837 of 1062
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Originally Posted by xtremesniper View Post

Also, when powering the unit on, sometimes (very random) it just turns on and the "loading" icon flashes for a few minutes as the hard drive is supposed to be prepped. But nothing happens. I end up having to hard shut it down and try again. One time the DVD drive made very loud and weird noises when I closed the tray with no disk inside... There seems to be a lot of problems with it now (old, much?).

This sounds more like a DVD drive problem than a hard drive problem. See if it only happens when you have a disc in the drive. If so, does it happen with all brands, finalized, unfinalized, store-bought, etc? You could also try a dvd lens cleaning disc. The Toshiba XS32 burner thread has lots of burner related info.
post #838 of 1062
Well the problem is I barely even use the dvd drive. I'm fairly certain the "loading" issue happened when there was no dvd in the drive, and the mode was on HDD.

It hasn't done it for a little while now (as far as I know) so I guess I'll just keep an eye on it for now.
post #839 of 1062
Toshiba dvd drives are prone to premature failure. The general consensus is that it may be due to overheating. So, it may not be based on the amount you've actually used the burner.

I've done a lot of experimenting with a bunch of different XS units, and I'm pretty darn sure that the loading icon (on power up) is solely related to the burner, regardless of whether the unit is set to HDD or DVD. On power up, the loading icon appears about when the light on a replacement burner lights up, indicating that the unit is addressing the burner, which is well after the hard drive has spun up.

Edit: I should clarify that the loading icon does appear at other times, but my above comment was related to it appearing during power up.
post #840 of 1062
Well that's interesting... I wouldn't be at much of a loss if the dvd drive was broken, but I just wouldn't want it affecting the rest of the box.
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