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post #31 of 1829
This is my first post in probably a year, and definite the first on TVs. I'm a newbie, but I've been lurking on these Vizio threads since they became attractive to me a few days ago (for reasons I won't go into, see closed thread.)

I just got back from Barnes and Nobles where they carry Home Theatre Magazine. First off, if you are thinking of getting this TV it's worth the $5. It's two pages of review for the Vizio (no word on if it's the "e" or not, but with production time, I'd think not). I'm going to give a review of the review so hopefully it's not going to copy infinge.

I only read the Vizio and not the other two they compare it to (an EDTV LG and an EDTV Panny). The article's title was something like "3 Budget plasmas under $3000". The MSRP of the three were all in the same ballpark of $2800-3000. I'm not sure if you can find bargains for the other two online, but to me, the value proposition isn't there for a $3000 EDTV. I think at a lower price than that I might go with a true HDTV rear projection TV.

Semigolfer probably got the key phrase in there (see previous post), but the majority of the tests seemed to be DVD based and I think we've established that EDTVs do quite well on SD. When it came to HD, it seemed to me that the reviewers liked the Vizio the best especially because of the detail.

The reviews rank each in 5 areas from 1-100. I don't remember the exact categories, but one was performance, and another was value. I didn't think it scored poorly anywhere, but I didn't have a lot to compare it to (I generally don't read the magazine, so I don't know if the tend to give out lots of 50s or lots of 95s, no sense of scale). I do think the value score would have higher if street prices were considered. I also think the performance would have been higher if it was the 5000:1 contrast model (I'll assume it's not for now).

Lastly, I went to Sam's Club in Natick, MA to try to see it. They only had a EDTV Vizio, which looked better than the HDTV from Phillips they had there. The source seemed to be a DVD loop, so I'm not really surprised the EDTV looked a little better. Also, Sam's didn't have any specs of the two on display, so maybe the Phillips was lacking some oomph.
post #32 of 1829
FYI,

Vizio P42HDe model on display at "said discount warehouse from closed thread" indicated a build date of November 2004.
post #33 of 1829
Hmm, so maybe they actually reviewed a 5000:1 contrast model. It's hard to say, but even if you assume the worst, it seemed to perfrom better at HDTV functions which is what I'm buying an HDTV for :).
post #34 of 1829
Quote:
Originally posted by Christopher Go
I know this topic was brought up in a past thread but I was curious what wall mount solutions are available for this display. I remember reading that the mount that the company manufactures sits 10 inches from the wall once everything is said and done. That's pathetic. Is that accurate and do any of you have suggestions? Thanks in advance...
I just purchased this one from walmart http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=2684091

They all look about the same: universal looking, easily adjusted to fit any flat panel...
post #35 of 1829
I was actually thinking the latter... since the build date was Nov. 2004, one would assume product shipment to distributers would occur in December for display and sales in stores very late December early January.

I doubt the unit evaluated for published "out-the-door" and stocked on shelves magazine in late December early January was available at the time tests were performed. If there is pictures of the Vizio plasma in the magazine, should be able to distinguish if the bezel is sliver (P42HD) or dark grey (P42HDe).
post #36 of 1829
someone in the old thread mentioned ultralink for a cable for doing HDMI->DVI. Has anyone purchased from them? I can't find a way to get a price and actually buy, just get to look at the products.

I am daft sometimes, so there is a good chance I am missing something.

I'll be looking around other threads and subforums for this info, but figured I would ask here since that is where I saw it first.

Thanks,
Chris
post #37 of 1829
Quote:
Originally posted by rkhobbit
If there is pictures of the Vizio plasma in the magazine, should be able to distinguish if the bezel is sliver (P42HD) or dark grey (P42HDe).
There are pictures and if my memory serves (the magazine is in my car), it was indeed silver. I had forgotten about this difference, because the color is not really relevant to me.
post #38 of 1829
Does the P42HD OSD picture setup menu allow for different picture settings to be saved for different source inputs?

For example: Can I set up unique picture settings and save them by input source?

1. DVI input: Which will only be used of OTA HDTV source
2. TV1 RF input: For modulated RF inputs from other sources (wholehouse video distribution)
3. SVideo Input1 - DirectTV/TIVO (series 1) unit setup for standard definition output only
4. Component Input 1 YPbPr: Progressive Scan DVD changer
5. Component Input 2 YCbCr: Upconverting single-disc DVD player

Also a newbie question: What is the difference between YPbPr and YCbCr?

_______
rkhobbit
post #39 of 1829
rkhobbit,

Yes, different settings per input. Although the 2 SVideo inputs seem to share settings. I just tried it on my P42HDe. Although I have nothing connected to the SVideo inputs, so don't know if that makes a difference.

Your other question.....
For ANALOG video, the color difference
component units are Y Pb Pr.

For DIGITAL video, the color difference
component units are Y Cb Cr.
post #40 of 1829
Glad to hear I can have different settings for each input. Though I've already purchased the P42HDe, I won't be getting my HDTV tuner and other equipment until next week so I have not unboxed my TV yet. Hope to get TV in place over the weekend and tune it for SDTV TIVO S-Video input while waiting for HDTV equipment to arrive.

Plan on using Avia initially, and then follow-up with this thread for setting up a Plasma HDTV for good SDTV performance (See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=320181) ... Looks like a very helpful and informative thread.

Quote:
Originally posted by prosper
Your other question.....
For ANALOG video, the color difference
component units are Y Pb Pr.

For DIGITAL video, the color difference
component units are Y Cb Cr.
Does this mean I will have better PQ using YCbCr (digital) input versus YPbPr (analog)? Is there another forum I can go to to better understand the differences between YCbCr and YPbPr?
post #41 of 1829
If I recall the posts from the other thread, the YPbPr component input only supports 480i. The YCbCr supports all formats - 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i.

Quote:
Originally posted by rkhobbit

Does this mean I will have better PQ using YCbCr (digital) input versus YPbPr (analog)? Is there another forum I can go to to better understand the differences between YCbCr and YPbPr?
post #42 of 1829
According to manual YCbCr is 480i only. YPbPr is for HDTV and/or progressive scan dvd.
post #43 of 1829
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by bmacfarland
This is my first post in probably a year, and definite the first on TVs.

I just got back from Barnes and Nobles where they carry Home Theatre Magazine. ....
Semigolfer probably got the key phrase in there (see previous post), but the majority of the tests seemed to be DVD based and I think we've established that EDTVs do quite well on SD. When it came to HD, it seemed to me that the reviewers liked the Vizio the best especially because of the detail.

The reviews rank each in 5 areas from 1-100. I don't remember the exact categories, but one was performance, and another was value.
bmcfarland,

Can you recall what DVD player they used? Was it a DVI input, an upscaling DVD player, etc.?

Thanks
post #44 of 1829
Okay, I'll be repeating myself from earlier in the day on this thread, since clearly people didn't read that one :D

First, the idea that the front of the set is 10" from the wall is ridiculous. The set with the box in back is still only 5" deep! I used a standard wall mount by Sanus that I picked up from Best Buy. It's a low profile mount though, so that it brings the set closer to the wall than some. The front of the set itself (not the speakers, since they bit the dust immediately), is about 5.75" from the wall.

Second, has anyone gotten information from V-Inc to CONFIRM the reason for the increased contrast ration on the 'e'? Everyone is assuming there's new glass, but there are a couple reasons that might not necessarily make sense. First, was there LG glass that was ever rated at 3000:1? There was glass that was rated lower, and glass that was rated highter (5000:1), but I'm not remembering any at 3000:1. It also seems odd to make a change in such a major component so early in the run. It seems just as likely that it's the same glass, but they had initially gotten the specs written up wrong.

I'm going to write V-Inc tech support with the question, but I thought I'd see if someone here has already done the work.

Michael
MWC
post #45 of 1829
I also received my Home Theater mag in the mail today and read the reviews of the budget plasmas. It certainly appears that the Vizio was the original model (given the closing date for the mag. actual review would have been a couple of months ago and the "e' version has only been shipping for a couple of week and also the photos of their test models clearly shows the Vizio color as silver, not charcoal. I would note I have the original P42HD and don't agree with their observation about excessive video noise but this may be because they feed all of the test signals via the YPrPb component video input while I have my cable box/DVR connected via the DVI input and perhaps the Vizio's A to D converters for the component video input were noiser then those on the other Plasmas they tested or alternatively perhaps it was the result the higher bandwidth of the Vizio's D/A and video amps (as required to support HD) may have resulted in more visible high frequency noise in the image. I do agree that the out of the box adjustments are rather poor for the Vizio but found that after calibration the video looked much better. As for CR, I had noted in the older thread that the Panny EDTV does have better blacks and better detail in the dark areas of the image. I would contend that the most meaningful of the commonly used CR tests is the ANSI test and the reported measured results came out:
Panasonic 998:1
Vizio 464:1
LG 385:1
(although the LG was better than the Vizio on the full white to full black screen CR test).
Of couse the LG is an EDTV with a rated CR of 5000:1 and the LG HD plasmas may or may not have a real world CR better than the ED model tested by HT mag. However the Vizio they tested was rated at 3000:1 and it appears that it was actually a little better than the LG in terms of CR. However, since all indications are that Vizio P42HD (either with or without the 'e') is actually build by LG, I would question whether the 'e' model is really any different than the orginal model except for the cabinet color. Perhaps both the original and the new 'e' version are exactly the same in terms of the panel ('glass') being used and all that V Inc. has done is to change the advertised CR to match what LG is now listing for their plasmas that use the same panels. In any case whether you overstate the actual CR that a given plasma can support by 600% or 1000% really doesn't matter much. Perhaps we should give Panasonic credit for ONLY overstating their plasma's CR by 400%. However, for the Vizio's it would be real interesting for someone to do a side by side comparison of the original P42HD with the newer P42HDe to see if there is really any difference in CR and black level.

I do stand by my statement made in the older Vizio threat that side by side I think the Vizio does a noticeably better job displaying HD material than the Panny ED, but would agree that for viewing SD and ED material the better black levels and lack of a need to do any scaling gives the edge to the Panny ED.

Ron Jones
post #46 of 1829
Quote:
Originally posted by bradesp
bmcfarland,

Can you recall what DVD player they used? Was it a DVI input, an upscaling DVD player, etc.?

Thanks
It seems to be an "Onkyo DV-SP800 predominantly in interlaced mode", but in progressive mode for comparison with the internal deinterlacers.
post #47 of 1829
What's up all?

I just bought and set up my Vizio e model. It's is so strikingly beautiful - Wow factor out of the box - I love plasma technology - never thought I was gonna get one!!! On the computer right now to grab the settings posted by Ron. I will report back with pq and pictures if possible. I saw it at Costco next to the Panny and I'd say the blacks on the Vizio were blacker (they had the "e" model on display.) Wife also agreed that blacks on Vizio are blacker than Panny. PQ was great on both of them! Text was sharper on the Vizio.

I can say that after months of searching and reading - I'm ecstatic...now, will let you all know about pq tomorrow!

Chicagoster!
post #48 of 1829
Newbie here.
Been lurking for a few weeks in these Vizio threads.

I finally went out to Costco today and signed up for a membership. Have never been a member before. Talked to the customer service guy while I was signing up, letting him know that I was joining most likely because of the future opportunity to pick up a plasma TV. They had five Vizios on the floor but have 18 in stock, all the new "e" version. While signing up, I asked him about Costco's no-time-limit-100-percent-satisfaction return policy. He said, I quote: "If I had a TV go bad on me in the first five years, I'd definitely return it. We take things back all the time that are two, three or more years old."

Reeeeally.

That reason alone tempts me to buy my HDTV at Costco. Bulb burns out on a DLP? Take it back. Thrash your plaz with burn-in? Shucks. Just take it back. These Costco people seem to thrive on leniency. The CSR was joking about it. I don't get it, but it makes me feel much better about possibly purchasing a Vizio there. If I don't like it after six months, or a year, I'll just punt it back to Costco.

That said, I must admit that the Vizio picture did not impress me much. Sitting next to a 50-inch Samsung DLP, it didn't seem to have the same clarity. But honestly, even the Panny EDTV looked sort of lame in that store, so I really didn't put much stock in it. TVs on display always confuse me. It probably doesn't help that I'm red-green color blind, either. :rolleyes:

I'm much more interested in hearing what current Vizio owners think about their models than what my own pathetic eyes tell me in the store.

So keep the information comin', guys.
post #49 of 1829
For what it's worth, I'm putting nothing into stock of anything in the store unless it's straight HD programming. That's what I'm getting an HD for. I'm looking more towards the future with my purchase. The present will be good with my local cable that has 7 of my most watched channels on HD.
post #50 of 1829
Went to Barnes and Noble to pick-up Feb. 2005 issue of Home Theater magazine... they only carried January's issue and it appeared to be fully stocked. Don't expect to be able to pick it up at major book stores for a little while.

Bummer...
post #51 of 1829
Picked up our "e" today and we're very happy with it so far.

Any more suggestions on wall mounts? Walmart was out of stock. Anyone know if the $89 SolidMOUNTS UF-60 at LAPlasma.com is any good?
post #52 of 1829
My first post!

OK, I too went today to compare it with the Panasonic ED. The ViZio "e" was dramatically brighter and sharper. The cabinet looks really sleek and modern compared to the Panasonic. The pixels were less apparent on the ViZio.

As for Costco, they are a good company to buy from and I hope people do not abuse their return policies.
post #53 of 1829
Hi all,

I'm happy to report that SD (analog) looks just as good on my plasma as it did on my Sony CRT Tube tv. It actually is better because I'm seeing it on a 42" vs. 27" and in widescreen mode!! The stretching is not a factor. I was afraid that everything would look stretched. They do not. The wide aspect and zoom 1, do an excellent job of maintaining image quality. WAF is good with SD. Right now it's a composite feed...can't wait to hook it up via DVI or component.

If your fear of buying this unit is because of bad SD quality - have no fear.

Chicagoster.

Quote:
Originally posted by chicagoster
What's up all?


I can say that after months of searching and reading - I'm ecstatic...now, will let you all know about pq tomorrow!

Chicagoster!
post #54 of 1829
Has anyone figured out how many colors these P42HDe sets produce?
Millions?
Billions?
post #55 of 1829
Ron,

Have you been in to see the "e" version?

If so....
Just wondering if you think it is more than just a different colored bezel.
Perhaps a contrast ratio upgrade and not simply restated?
post #56 of 1829
Quote:
Originally posted by chicagoster
Hi all,

I'm happy to report that SD (analog) looks just as good on my plasma as it did on my Sony CRT Tube tv. It actually is better because I'm seeing it on a 42" vs. 27" and in widescreen mode!! The stretching is not a factor. I was afraid that everything would look stretched. They do not. The wide aspect and zoom 1, do an excellent job of maintaining image quality. WAF is good with SD. Right now it's a composite feed...can't wait to hook it up via DVI or component.

If your fear of buying this unit is because of bad SD quality - have no fear.

Chicagoster.
That's really good to hear. I think I may pull the trigger on this. I shouldn't. I'm so broke. I just got engaged last week. Ring set me back a SERIOUS plasma TV, not some cheap Vizio.

Ah well.
:D
post #57 of 1829
Can someone with an "e" measure the actual exact width for me, without speakers? Thanks.
post #58 of 1829
width with out the speakers is 40 7/8 "
post #59 of 1829
Quote:
Originally posted by prosper
Ron,

Have you been in to see the "e" version?

If so....
Just wondering if you think it is more than just a different colored bezel.
Perhaps a contrast ratio upgrade and not simply restated?
I have compared them both and the "e" had deeper blacks and brighter whites!
post #60 of 1829
40.9" x 25.45" x 5.2" w/o stand or speakers
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