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post #1471 of 2847
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Originally Posted by optivity
or maybe they just want to "get it right" before they release it so SED will dominate the FP market... :)
I agree, they want to get the pricing right before they release it ;) :D
post #1472 of 2847
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Originally Posted by greenland
If people chose to wait for a while to see if SED does get to market, and proves viable, why should their decision bother you?.
Actually, it doesn't...I think SED will be an extremely cool technology if it happens.

There is just a certain poster who trolls other threads and blasts every other technology as garbage, arguing for the sake of argument, and generally disrupting things for fun, while claiming he is merely a consumer advocate who is waiting for SED.

Just giving him a little taste of his own medicine.

Sorry if I offended anyone ELSE.
post #1473 of 2847
very well said Moonhawk. Also, great read into the situation Greenland. Truth be told from a few insiders I have heard from is that the collaboration was hoping that prices would remain high so that a $15K price point for 55" SED would not be an issue but currently the number crunchers believe that the true price point of acceptance is $10K, but this is based on current market rates. The thing that will be the biggest determinant of wether or not SED sees the light of day is what the price point of 1080P Plasmas will be and if there will be early price drops. If you start seeing 1080P plasmas in the $6K range for 50" then the leaning odds are that SED will be scrapped. I hope this is not true but truth be told I would not be suprised to see the big boys competition (Panasonic, Pioneer) and others cut their prices this holiday season in an attempt to have the SED project get scrapped. The only thing at this point that is certain is that SED's future will be determined by this holiday season sales and pricing in the market. The lower prices go the more likely that SED will cease to exist.
post #1474 of 2847
The only way SED will happen is if they cut the Koreans or Chinese in on the action.
post #1475 of 2847
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Originally Posted by Artwood
The only way SED will happen is if they cut the Koreans or Chinese in on the action.
What makes you think they’re not in on it already?
post #1476 of 2847
You're right! They've probably bought outhall the people not in on it already and nobody knows anything about except the people in black helicopters working on flying saucers at Area 54!
post #1477 of 2847
I think the best survival strategy for SED is for Toshiba/Canon to license the video tech to the "other" big boys" that are not in the Plasma game...ie. Sony, Sharp, Mitsubishi, etc.
post #1478 of 2847
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Originally Posted by 1080P Input
very well said Moonhawk. Also, great read into the situation Greenland. Truth be told from a few insiders I have heard from is that the collaboration was hoping that prices would remain high so that a $15K price point for 55" SED would not be an issue but currently the number crunchers believe that the true price point of acceptance is $10K, but this is based on current market rates. The thing that will be the biggest determinant of wether or not SED sees the light of day is what the price point of 1080P Plasmas will be and if there will be early price drops. If you start seeing 1080P plasmas in the $6K range for 50" then the leaning odds are that SED will be scrapped. I hope this is not true but truth be told I would not be suprised to see the big boys competition (Panasonic, Pioneer) and others cut their prices this holiday season in an attempt to have the SED project get scrapped. The only thing at this point that is certain is that SED's future will be determined by this holiday season sales and pricing in the market. The lower prices go the more likely that SED will cease to exist.
Some further speculation on my part: If SED makes it to market in the 2007-08 time frame, that will still not be too late to establish it's presence in the emerging HD market demand. We are still some time away from the vast majority of consumers feeling compelled to purchase a true HD display.

The market obstacles that I see SED having to face, and overcome are: First Generation display has to be considerably superior to current displays such as plasma and LCD in order to open the wallets of the drooling Got-to-have it-now, first adopter sector.(There is a small segment of the market that will pay a significant premium for any new product that is supposed to be the latest, cool thing to have. I knew a chap who paid a premium in advance to have one of the first PT Cruisers, and one of the first new VW Bugs. He sold one just a few months after getting it, at a huge loss, in order to be the first again to have the other.)

I would love to have a SED set, provided it can approximate the performance specs. that have been claimed for it. However, even if it can, and even if the first generation is not significantly more expense than a comparable plasma or LCD, I still would not purchase the first year. I always wait for significant feed back on performance and reliability details before taking the plunge. Let others pay a premium, and be the guinea pigs. If they are pleased, and the next year's model has just to make some minor tweaks, then I am in. On the other hand, if the first generation is a performance and reliability lemon, then SED will not have a chance to sustain and grow market share.
post #1479 of 2847
Good post & advice Greenland, and more along my line of thinking as well. My best guess for SED competitive pricing for the initial release will be in the neighborhood of the upcoming top tier 1080p Plasmas from Pioneer & Fujitsu. But similar to you, I will not be an Early Adopter for the same reasons you posted. I'm REALLY hoping to see SED displays in early 2007, as this will definitely cause a big splash in the Flat Panel Pond, and competition for consumer's dollars will heat up considerably.

PS: You should see what Toyota Dealers are getting for their newly released FJ Cruiser!!
post #1480 of 2847
I think this thread should be loccked until someone actually has some real SED related NEWS/INFORMATION to report :p :D

We just sound like a bunch of gossiping women at tea :rolleyes:
post #1481 of 2847
We're basically just trying to keep this thread from being totally buried, and besides "shoot'in the breeze" about SED possibilities, future, etc. ain't so bad. If you're getting bored check back-in this time next year.:D
post #1482 of 2847
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Originally Posted by aud19
I think this thread should be loccked until someone actually has some real SED related NEWS/INFORMATION to report :p :D

We just sound like a bunch of gossiping women at tea :rolleyes:
"We"?. So by adding your posts,(over 20 this year to this thread) you are admitting to being a back-biting, tea-sipping, frustrated, corset-wearing old biddy. Stay away from the SED thread, and tune in The View, and you will feel more at home. :D :eek: :eek: :D
post #1483 of 2847
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Originally Posted by Artwood
The only way SED will happen is if they cut the Koreans or Chinese in on the action.
Toshiba has already done it with HD-DVD and I believe they have no reservations to repeat it with SED.
post #1484 of 2847
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Originally Posted by greenland
"We"?. So by adding your posts,(over 20 this year to this thread) you are admitting to being a back-biting, tea-sipping, frustrated, corset-wearing old biddy. Stay away from the SED thread, and tune in The View, and you will feel more at home. :D :eek: :eek: :D
Hey I said "we" didn't I? :p :D
post #1485 of 2847
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Originally Posted by torch
Toshiba has already done it with HD-DVD and I believe they have no reservations to repeat it with SED.
Toshiba told everyone @ CES 2006 when they were going to release their HD-DVD Player and low & behold here it is on time. For me, this adds a boatload of credibility & belief that Toshiba will bring SED displays to market come hell or high water. Can't wait for CES 2007!!
post #1486 of 2847
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Originally Posted by cajieboy
Good post & advice Greenland, and more along my line of thinking as well. My best guess for SED competitive pricing for the initial release will be in the neighborhood of the upcoming top tier 1080p Plasmas from Pioneer & Fujitsu. But similar to you, I will not be an Early Adopter for the same reasons you posted. I'm REALLY hoping to see SED displays in early 2007, as this will definitely cause a big splash in the Flat Panel Pond, and competition for consumer's dollars will heat up considerably.
What gives you hope? I'd still like to see SED come out too, the sooner the better, but didn't Toshiba themselves announce SED wouldn't be introduced until 4th quarter 2007?
post #1487 of 2847
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Originally Posted by bluescreen
What gives you hope? I'd still like to see SED come out too, the sooner the better, but didn't Toshiba themselves announce SED wouldn't be introduced until 4th quarter 2007?
Toshiba/Canon changed the goal line for their initial release of a 55" 1080p SED Display, but since these companies are keeping their cards close to the vest, everything is speculative. At CES 2006, Toshiba/Canon had a whopper demonstration show w/a 37" SED prototype display, and wowed the crowds. If Toshiba/Canon is planning a release in 2007, I would expect them to demo their actual production display, the 55"er. I think a lot of our questions will be answered at CES 2007 in Jan....only 7 months away.
post #1488 of 2847
CES 2007? Since SED was scheduled for production in Aug `05, and nothing, CES 2006 was to be the big deal for SED. Nothing!

Good luck for `07, hope they finally come up with something that gives more hope.
For me the waiting continues but no longer for SED.... but for the Panny 65" 1080p. Waiting, waiting. :)
post #1489 of 2847
Their own press release from March, after CES 2006, says 4Q 2007...
Toshiba March 8 press release
post #1490 of 2847
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Originally Posted by bluescreen
Their own press release from March, after CES 2006, says 4Q 2007...
Toshiba March 8 press release
Well there ya go straight from the horse's mouth. Looks like good solid info to me. Still can't wait for CES 2007!:D

bw, I'm following that Panny 1080p 65"er too, but again I doubt I'll be an Early Adopter. I'm not exactly "waiting" for SED in order to buy now, as I already own an excellent HDTV w/almost 2 years left on an extended warranty. My main goal is for my next HT Upgrade, which will most likely be a large screen 1080p Flat Panel Display, whether it be Plasma, LCD, or hopefully SED. Let the best 1080p display win me over!
post #1491 of 2847
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Originally Posted by cajieboy
Toshiba told everyone @ CES 2006 when they were going to release their HD-DVD Player and low & behold here it is on time. For me, this adds a boatload of credibility & belief that Toshiba will bring SED displays to market come hell or high water. Can't wait for CES 2007!!
Actually, Toshiba's credibility on delivering HD DVD has been a little spotty.

At CES 2005 they said it would come out in September (2005), then it was delayed until December. Then at CES 2006 they said it would come out in March. As we all know, it actually came out in April.

So for SED, they are now saying Q4 2007. I would say this is their current prediction for product release. Nothing more, nothing less. I won't be surprised at all if it slips again.

In the meantime, we'll have 65" 1080P Plasmas.
post #1492 of 2847
I didn't mean to dash any hopes, just wanted to be sure you had realistic expectations. If your happy with your current setup and are prepared to sit back and let things play out over the next couple years then good luck with your next 1080p purchase. :)
post #1493 of 2847
never forget that Nano Proprietary's lawsuit against Canon is scheduled for Feb 2007. Maybe the outcome of that hearing will dictate the future of SED

will
post #1494 of 2847
What is this Panny 1080p 65-inch?

Probably a $10k plasma? Will they have anything around 50-inches?
post #1495 of 2847
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Originally Posted by aud19
I agree, they want to get the pricing right before they release it ;) :D
ya, breaking the sub 10 grand mark for a flat panel is not an accomplishment in anyones book, except maybe pioneer. Their breaking out the bubbly as we speak. Im really befuddled by the projected msrp's for 1080p plasmas alone. And if sed has to only compete with this i should be passing on both. Though it would be a good time to drop the bomb on a 720p set. I realize alot of the posters in here are straight up moneymakers and a 10 grand set is chump change but you have to think about the majority income and the transition of HD to the normal financial status person. This is more of a fetish at these prices and i predict they wont do well at all, as will 1080p plasmas. When you have a tv set in one hand and a vehcle in the other, theres a problem. I say if you cant get a 50-60 inch 1080p plasma for 4-5 grand, theres really no point, and thats still a load of dough to cough up for a tv set.
post #1496 of 2847
For anything over $5k, you better get 15-20 years of service life out of it.

Will these things last that long? Or maintain their color and brightness characteristics?
post #1497 of 2847
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Originally Posted by TimV
Actually, Toshiba's credibility on delivering HD DVD has been a little spotty.

At CES 2005 they said it would come out in September (2005), then it was delayed until December. Then at CES 2006 they said it would come out in March. As we all know, it actually came out in April.

So for SED, they are now saying Q4 2007. I would say this is their current prediction for product release. Nothing more, nothing less. I won't be surprised at all if it slips again.

In the meantime, we'll have 65" 1080P Plasmas.
Tim, youre picking nits to start with and the vast majority of those delays had absolutely nothing to do with Toshiba and everything to do with paranoid content producers and what level of copy protection they could get comfortable with. Not saying Toshiba is any more rock solid than any other CE manufacturer but IMO this is the wrong point to crucify them on and they deserve a round of applause for getting the content providers to commit to any HD DVD format at all.

Also(and not just your post but others as well) 1080p plasmas are difficult to make and make perform well. Moving from an ED to quasi-HD plasma you lose CR. Now imagine trying to move from an ED to a 1080p at that same size level. Producing small decent performing pixels on plasmas is hard to do across the board. The simplest path to 1080p plasmas is massive panels. I see plasmas losing the sub 45" range to LCD steadily moving forward as 1080p phases in. I just hope they produce some real 720p plasmas in those ranges soon.

ss
post #1498 of 2847
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Originally Posted by wco81
For anything over $5k, you better get 15-20 years of service life out of it.

Will these things last that long? Or maintain their color and brightness characteristics?
The first sentence is an opinion and I cant say I have ever kept a display for 15-20 years. In the second part which things are you talking about specifically, there are a lot of displays being discussed here. If SED, no one knows as they are still vaporware. And it will take time after real introduction to even speculate.

ss
post #1499 of 2847
Hi,

I was searching for new technology to write a paper on and came across "SED" (Surface-conduction Electron-emitter Display). You can equate SED technology to something like this: flatten a high quality CRT monitor into the size of, say, 4inches deep, stretch the display out to a 55inch diagonal (178:1 aspect ratio) screen with a resolution of 1920x1080, voila!, you’ve got the new SED offering from Toshiba. The two technologies (CRT and SED) are very similar. Both have electron emitters that excite phosphorus pixels to produce a light source. Only, SED uses three very small emitters (for RGB) per pixel firing over a much shorter distance. Because these emitters are extremely small they can be placed closer together as to achieve the resolution required for “true†HD display and it all fits a form factor as thin as LCD and Plasma panels.

The article I read didn’t say if the panel displayed progressive scan lines (I assume it does as they (Toshiba) claim “true HDâ€, which is 1920x1080p).

WOW!, CRT blacks in a panel that can hang on a wall, this promises to be the "window" HD was suppose to have us looking out of. I thing I can live with what I'm currently viewing until these bad boys hit the retail stores, sometime in 2007. 2007, that's an eternity, tick,tock, tick, tock, tick, "I hope there affordable", tock, tick, tock, tick, "anyone have the time", tock, tick, tock...

Take a look at the article here: http://gear.ign.com/articles/679/679235p1.html

Chime in on this one,

sWaRm
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