Official SED, Info, Discussion, Etc Thread!!! - Page 51  

I think you're reading too much into the article.. 4" deep? The other article that is linked by the poster above, indicates that these SEDs will be 30% thinner than CRTs on the market. A 34" Sony CRT is about 24" deep.. 30% less would be about 16" deep.. kinda hard to hang on the wall.

The wording in the article you posted just indicates "AS flat as any Plasma" -- flat just means flat.. no indication being the same size.

Mind you, probably will have great PQ.

There's already an SED thread that's been going on for some time. A 37" SED prototype display was shown in Jan. @ CES, and from all reports it was a show stopper. This SED display IS a Flat Panel, and is very similar in width to Plasma & LCD.

Thank you for the wake up call, I guess I'll pop over to the "old" SED thread and get caught up --And to think, I thought I had something, got an A- on the paper though.

Not 4"s but 16"s deep, you're right, a wall hang just wouldn't work out. It's still a promising technology, just not as exciting as a 4" thick flat panel would have been.

How can I pull this thread?

Thanks again

Where did you get your info that SED displays are 16" deep?? That's news to me!

A couple of posts up, from Jrain, as an estimated screen size/depth

From ALL that I've seen, read, and heard since late 2004, as well as the 2006 CES demo, SED displays ARE Flat Panel and are similar in width to Plasma & LCD displays. Period.

Dittos:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=491741

Threads Merged!

Dave

Yes.

HDTVexpert: Sanding in the Shadows, March 8 2006
"Practically speaking, the SED is a close cousin to the CRT, except on a real strict diet. Whereas a typical CRT might measure 16 to 18 inches in depth, the SED takes up a couple of inches."

That' s good article, and sums up the Flat Panel situation & the possible future/end of SED. We've discussed the problem before of SED displays cracking this tough market, and Rogo spelled it out better than I ever could. One reason I'm anxious to see 2007 CES. If Toshiba/Canon don't demo a 1080p 55"er my high hopes for SED will dwindle rapidly. :(

I just wish that Cannon and Toshiba would get their acts together and just squeeze out one of these babies already.

I am now in the process of buying a Panasonic TH-42PX60, but with the kind of money I am shelling out I should be thrilled about the purchase rather than thinking that this is just to tie me over until something that might actually fulfill my needs and make me happy, like SED arrives. Which with delays and such god only knows when will happen, specially here in Europe where I live.

If these companies are smart and give the first batch a reasonable price I will be selling my plasma in a heartbeat to buy a 1080p 50-65" SED. And I won't even care that they will be first generation units and prolly will cost half as much in 12 months or might have quirks.

The bottom line is that if they deliver on their promises about PQ then these units and whatever flaws they might have will still be lightyears ahead of Plasma and LCD's which have used a decade to not get very far at all.

When one shells out this much money to buy a HD flatpanel it should not feel like a compromise with their shortcomings, it should feel like a vast improvement in PQ. One that is so huge and satisfying that it can only be summed up with the words "Wow!".

Wow is a far cry from the meh that I utter every time I see the so called creme de la creme of current gen PDP's.

SED is all vapor.

For me Plasma and LCD are all vapor. That is right, I am going to buy vapor and once it has vaporized I hope a SED will materialize in its stead.

Fascinating.

I'm curious, what is it that does "wow" you?

Thanks.

PQ has to be so good that once I see it I will immediately gouge out my eyes because I know that after seeing this my eyes will forever have lost their ability to see beauty and everything else will appear bland, grey and dull making my eyes useless.

Seriously though, I can't tell you what will make go me "Wow!", since I have yet to see anything that would deserve such a description. I imagine SED might do it, but I'll have to wait and see.

So until then, meh.

Strange. If you aren't enthusiastic and only feel "meh" about all the AV displays you encounter, I'm not sure I see why you would spend time on a board for AV enthusiasts.
Most people join these forums after getting excited about what they've seen.

I'd have the same reaction as you, should I join one of my buddy's watch forums, . I'd say "meh" because I don't find anything particularly compelling about watches. But then, that's why I don't bother with watch forums.

The vast majority of us are here because we actually are enthusiastic about the performance we can now experience at home.

Ah well, to each his own. Sorry you can't join the fun. Perhaps one day....:)

I am enthusiastic about the potential of HD and bigscreen flatpanels, however I feel meh about them because in my eyes they all shoot far below the potential for now. I hope SED will finally realize it's true potential, until then I will have to settle.

Is it too much to ask for a PQ that is so awe inspiring that it is like gazing upon the face of god, only slightly better and with better contrast?

If it doesn't make my eyes bleed bloody tears of joy and liquify my brain as it futily tries to process the incoming imagery then it's meh.

Did I mention my eyes demand a very high standard to be satisfied? It is a curse to be borne with eyes as demanding as mine, truly a curse...

Perhaps our friend from the land of great ham is a closet CRT fanatic........

Not at all my fellow EU citizen. You are entitled to fulfill your own standards. Just one slight quibble: You might want to compare what you are looking for to something concrete, like, perhaps a Mermaid in Copenhagen Harbour. You should heed Mr. Anderson's reality tale: The Emperor's New Clothes, and realize that the face of God, is the oldest Vaporware of all. :)

:rolleyes:

Good thing you're not a product manager for SED Inc.





























Hang on a second, are you, and is that the reason why SED dates keep getting pushed back? ;)

Different for me. I do like and enjoy my 50PHD8 Panasonic plasma, but I'm not really enthusiastic about it. Give me clean sharp motion, "0 light" black level and a better fill factor on top of what plasma offers today, then I'll be enthusiastic.

I'm here because I want to know as soon as possible when a display is on the market which allows me to become enthusiastic.

If I was then I would have had one of those nifty 1080p SED tradeshow models on my wall at home, and I would have been so happy that I would have gone catatonic.

Consult your Doctor before going catatonic. Tonics that are developed for treating felines, can be harmful to humans.

Cats are gifted with brilliant vision. What looks like SD to our eyes looks like HD to their eyes. The whole world looks in super high resolution to them.

If a cat were to watch an SED display, by definition it would go catatonic!

How's that for my lame attempt at keeping this thread on-topic?

Okay, I gotta admit, you got a true bonafide laugh out of me. :)

Pretty damn good in my books. Keep up the good work. As long as Canon/Toshiba keeps us mere mortals in the dark then all is fair game for SED topic discusion even if it leads nowhere.

I now believe that C/T is keeping SED under wraps until they have their 3-D version perfected! :D

Just a quick question to all of the SED hopefuls out there

If SED uses phosphors/electron the create the illumination for the display, does anybody know if these phosphors are similar to CRT and plasma? Is there a danger of burn in?

If this was already brought up, excuse me, but i didn't want to read though all 50 pages of this thread. This is something that probably no one can answer anyway, only speculate on.

Oh, BTW, I completely understand Kamakaze and his general noncomital tone about the state of the current display tech. We want that window on the world that other people say they see and we look and see reflections, pixelation and image artifacts. Someday it will happen for people like us, which is why we are here. My wife just looks at me and her eyes glaze over when I talk about such stuff. At least here there are like minded people.

Any posphor based display has an inherent risk of burn-in which is to say slim, unless abused and/or not properly calibrated (ie: torch mode).

Slim? I have had a couple of friends with PDP burn in problems. The hazard of watching 4:3 on a 16:9 I would say. The typical fix for the problem is to "age" the areas of the screen so that everything matches again. They have since stared using a strech mode to avoid the problem but that causes PQ problems in my eyes.

BTW both of these guys are Joe Sixpack types who were convinced by a sales weasel that "Burn in is a thing of the past".

If SED will have similar problems, why bother? Of course it looks like the exposure the phosphors will be exposed to will be allot less than what the e-beam in a CRT is, but this is just speculation.

Until then as long as LCD continues the price decline and the specs keep getting better, my money is there.