Official SED, Info, Discussion, Etc Thread!!! - Page 59  

"...I have feeling a big announcement is forthcoming...."

Yeah- "We built the plant using LCD technology instead of the hyped new SED manufacturing methods so that we could actually produce something out of the plant- LCDs."

I am here in Japan. I will let you guys know how the SED that is set to launch next year looks.

So far, I feel that as far s PQ is concererned, right now it is, in succession from best to worst is: SXRD, 50" 1080P Pioneer Plasma, 1080P 65" Panny Plaz, 1080P DLP (albiet wobulated), 1080i/720P Panny Plaz, direct view LCD (1080p), then RP LCD (SDE on Bravia is noticeable, and the panny is just atrocious).

From what I have researched, SED should swab the deck with the above stated technologies. I just can't wait.

i want

Only with MAJOR work... CRT's can produce amazing results. Less than 1% of the people that own 'em will ever see such results (yes, even among those that get ISF calibration done). Ever see detail on what it takes to properly calibrate a CRT RPTV? It's not just going into some service menu and adjusting levels. At best, one has to crack open the set, adjust the magnetic and electrostatic focus on each CRT (which is a compromise, perfect focus across the screen CANNOT be achieved due to the short optical path in an RPTV), perform meticulous convergence adjustments (which are impossible without proper focus), etc. Sometimes more extensive mods are necessary. Mitsubishis require a PCB level mod to reduce ringing as well as a firmware mod to reduce overscan.

The major benefit to microdisplays and plasmas is that it's MUCH EASIER to get the best out of them and they are much better out of the box than CRT RPTVs. They also do some things better than a CRT can. IMO each technology has it's advantages, but new display technologies allow more people to see better quality WITHOUT labor/time/cost intensive calibration. Benefits are still very apparent once calibration has been done but it's no longer necessary to achieve even a watchable picture. That can't be said for most CRT RPTVs.

I happen to fall in that 1%. I had EVERYTHING done to my Mits RPTV that you mentioned and more including using a colorimeter to set grayscale properly and lining the interior of the cabinet with flat black felt to limit internal reflections. It looks amazing. I still haven't seen anything in the stores to rival it. That said, it's getting a little long in the tooth and I'm looking to replace it in a few years. Hopefully SED will be available by then and won't disappoint.

Cheers from a diehard CRT RPTV owner. :)

I have no doubt that SED will amaze us all. But I'm going to wait a few years when they are on the market until I get one. When they work out all the kinks and the initial release price goes down to compete with plasma and lcd. Also need to consider if there are any draw backs in the technology like IR and permanent burn in.

I also want to see how this pans out.

But i need hdtv right now i really dont see how ppl go RPCRT when its next to a dlp or sxrd :confused: ---- weird

I just couldn't do it

I will get a tv next next ( need a few extera bucks )

either ---------

samsung HLS6187wx

or

Sony 60sxrd1

for real

PS need HD-DVD also
as this would complament my 360 :D

':eek:'

I believe my SA8300 is twice as old as this thread! :rolleyes:

when was the last time you leased a new generation DVR?

new SED story. no fresh info but has some Pete Putnam quotes

http://www.tvweek.com/page.cms?pageId=213

from the tvweek high definition newsletter:

http://www.tvweek.com/page.cms?pageId=117

Peter Putnam is not painting a rosey picture for SED, and Canon/Toshiba has been too quiet on the matter. Not good, my friends. If Pioneer can toss out a $10,000 MSRP 50" 1080p Plasma in mid 2006, why can't SED, Inc.?? Sounds like they're having a bit more trouble in the mfg'ering process than just making the display cheaply.

i agree. there's always an enthusiast market willing to pay top-dollar for the potential next big thing -- if it delivers

But that segment of the market is not sufficient enough to generate the ROI necessary to satisfy shareholders. The "bottom line" is, if Toshiba/Canon cannot produce a panel that can be marketed to the masses... SED will fail to come to fruition.

They have to get a toehold in the market somehow. That's how Plasma & LCD got going. They need to start building upon some sort of marketshare before the mass market strategy kicks in, and waiting & waiting to release SED has hurt it. I'm really beginning to think there's much more to this problem than Toshiba/Canon is telling us.

Right, as in this article posted by "fredfa" today says... SED may be the best HDTV we never see.

I'm going to cry. I love my 36" and 32" Sony XBR Wega for the picture it provides and I have been looking for something to replace it for the past 4 or 5 years and have not had any luck in terms of finding something I liked. Then came the hope of SED so I waited... well I'm tired of waiting, so I'm going to buy something to hold me over for a few years and hopefully SED will come to fruition, because I have a feeling that I'm not going to be thrilled with anything I buy, no matter how much money I spend. (Looking at the new XBR SXRDs, XBR Bravia LCDs, and Pio Plasma.)

Hope SED makes it by 2008, or sooner!

The last I looked SED Inc. was being sued by a patent holding company. Has that issue been resolved?

I realize that release dates are OFTEN wrong...but just in April 2006 S&V mag, via Toshiba, they were reporting 1080p SED here "by end of 2006." Hey, I'd take spring 2007 (I think !) :rolleyes:

So I wonder if there is any reality in that S&V quote from Toshiba???

Here' the ONE Way that SED would sell--just put Fujitsu's name on it. The Fujitsu worshipers would slobber so much about it that even the Qualia worshipers would buy it!

SED I think should still be very strong. Especially if they reduce price faster than the normal cycle. You figure the manufacturing process should be similiar to traditional CRTs.

Is this the right thread to subscribe to for the latest SED info??

I really hope SED isn't vaporware, but pushbacks till 2008 worry me.
That and no real current updates.

Maybe FED will come though instead?

Yes, this is the right thread.

No updates because Toshiba last announced goal was to start heavy production around June 2007, and have first sets to Market 4Q 2007. They left a lot of fudge language in the announcement. In other words, they appeared to have etched their projection time lines in Jello. They have a history of setting delivery dates, and then postponing. Watch for CES in January. If they are to have any chance of starting production in June, they will surely have to demo a large 1080P panel with HDMI 1.3 at the upcoming CES show.

I thought they said they aim to bring it to market 4Q 2007 but not start volume production until 2008. And who knows if that even includes the US market.

Any bets we'll see something new at CEDIA?

I was all set to hold off for SED with my next TV but 2008!?! By that time LED should have improved significantly and who knows, improvements in OLED might make me be willing to wait until 2009 :) TSED might show some promise during that time frame as well. I think they may be shooting themselves in the foot by not speeding up the release. I understand you can't rush inventions but since they have working prototypes, you can rush fixes.

I know that by 2008 I will be purchasing a new 80" screen of some type to replace my 65" mits. I love my mits but I'll want 1080p and better computer display (not great on CRT although for everything else it looks great).

These severe delays only make me more interested in other technologies as it is more than likely their first models will be puny - perhaps 55" at the largest.

something i always wondered is if SED will have the same problem with static electricity as CRT's do and collect anything in the air making you clean the screen about every 2 weeks and no matter how well you clean the screen you will always have smear marks :eek:

SED is a form of FED.

And yes, it might remain vaporware.

For me, one of the best aspects of plasma is its resistant to dust build up on the screen (the three dogs in my house make a lot of dust). I could never go back to CRT for this reason alone. The constant screen cleaning was very annoying. That said, I would imagine that SED has a much weaker magnetic field compared to tube TV. Anyone have the technical info to confirm/deny this assumption?

OK, this thread has REALLY gone off the edge. :rolleyes:

I like plasmas for their tube-like picture and perfect geometry.

Yeah, I agree. When you start talking 3 dogs & screen cleaning, the thread has hit rock bottom. If you're waiting to buy SED, get over it & look closer afield. SED tech "maybe" your NEXT HT upgrade but for now settle for 1080p whatever.