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My guess is...at least another six months away. That will be good news for us. Hopefully it will drive the prices of these sets lower as the competition heats up.

Until then, I'm looking forward to checking out the 1080p DLP wobulation sensation at a local Best Buy when they're out. :D

"Carnack the Magnificent" says... there is a 65" SED FP in our future! :)

I havent seen it yet, but I think TI really copped out with that approach. Seems like a low-rent and lower dependability approach to 1080p.

ss

Never said I was buying. Just looking. :D

Unfortunately the feed in-store will probably be garbage so it may not look much different than a ED set of the same size. Well, one can hope. ;)

What would be nice is to see actually how it handles all the input signals side by side (480i vs 480p vs 720p vs 1080i). I'm sure someone on AVS will hook us up soon enough. It's unfortunate that this set won't accept a 1080p signal though. So even if I was tempted, I'd have to scratch it off the Santa list (ie. list to the wife ;) ).

When I finally upgrade to one of these upcoming 1080p models, I then have to figure out what to do with my 50" CRT monolith. We've had great times though but the space requirments are mighty high. :)

Yep, its not gonna be long after HD-DVDs debut for the 1080p progressive players to show up I hope.

ss

" I still haven't found any of those 50" 1080p PDP's that SED can't compete with. Where might they be?"

This is a joke right? I mean which is less vaporous: A plasma with slightly hihger resolution or a set that isn't shipping anywhere in any size or any resolution for who know how long.

Mark

A relevent article (somewhat) on OLED:

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messa...81/137867.html

From the above link: "...40-inch OLED prototype..."

Well, at least it exists. SED has announced production dates, even if they won't be met. I'd like to see OLED get a rough shipping date for saleable product. I think there's a market for 40" HDTVs, so if they could pump these out at competitive costs with competitive lifespans, they could sell now. Since they aren't, I can only assume it's not ready for prime time- or production volumes. Maybe they count on scaling it up to larger, higher priced sizes to recover their sunk costs.

SED has gone from a projected low cost to a starting point above plasma. OLED may do the same, if it ever reaches market.

No offense on the OLED release, but that news is several weeks old. And that display is farther away from production and currently lacks certain attributes required for sale (20K hour life, for example, vs. what it has --> about 2K hours of blue when used at typical brightness levels for TV....)

So much for competitive lifespan....

It was a joke, right. But I do wonder what the price of 50" 1080p PDP's will be. Closer to a Ferrari than a Civic? I know SED is still vaporware but let's pretend it isn't and start comparing apples to apples.

Closer to a Civic than a Ferrari. Probably on the order of $1000 more than the 768p models.

Retail price, maybe. But certainly on the order of $450 - $550 less from forum sponsors.

Remember, competition for the consumer's $ won't allow such a large gap to exist if a manufacturer expects to hit sales numbers. Plasma prices are still decreasing, but so are prices for other display technologies. With DLP, and probably RP LCD soon as well, advertising not only 1920x1080 resolution but at a lower cost than plasma, the plasma manufacturers can't demand a hefty premium.

How many people here think Best Buy and Circuit City are going to be honest about that 1920x1080 from TI when asked about... (key eerie music) the wobbulator? [That's a rhetorical question, of course]

Odds are most won't even know what the word means ...

Since I'm enjoying watching my 50PX50U today... I'm content to wait for an affordable 65" SED, OLED or that "1080p DLP wobulation sensation..." tomorrow... :D

Don't fear the wobul, it's your friend.

I think that is the main thing holding back OLED - the blue phosphor life. If they overcome that what else would hold it back?

About the same number of people who believe that they don't obfuscate the fact that the "HD Capable" PDPs they're pushing accept an HDTV signal but are really EDTV 480p.

You guy's think you're so smart! :rolleyes:

I'm gonna make sure I get me one of those wobbulators in my next BIG screen TV. :p

Hey Rogo,

You make it sound as if 1080 plasmas in the 50" range are a simple upgrade for them. Everything I've heard about it says they are having great difficulty in manufacturing them. Are they just holding out for more 1080 content and want to milk the current, or are there still major issues to overcome.

I don't really care which technology I get for my next FP, as long as it is 1080 and...
- LCD's -price needs to drop, sizes go up, and blacks to improve
-plasma - resolution needs to go up, and better blacks would be nice
FED/OLED - needs to exist

I think you're on the right track... the structure of each pixel/sub-pixel is limited in terms of how small they can be made and then addressed to render colors accurately. In order to keep their current 42"/50" footprints, the size of each pixel would have to be cut in half to have enough to render full 1080p. If PDP makers could do this... why not just produce a 1080p display and charge the consumer a couple of grand more for the capability?

Manufacturing cost, which is currently higher per inch than anything else in production.

It's going to cost more to make them. And until recently, no market demand existed for them. (No, the few hundred of us with general tendencies toward cheapness do not make a market.)

Panasonic is likely to be the first to market with these in sizes below the 70s. But exactly when, I can't say.

So the 50" 1080p plasmas are getting pushed back? You promised us this year Mark ;) . Work that out for us please.

ss

I think Samsung will be the first to offer 50" 1920x1080 plasma displays. LG may be right behind them. I have no doubt Panasonic will offer a full HD 50" plasma, but I think the competition between Samsung and LG will push them harder to get it to market than the competition that Japan (Panasonic) feels from Korea (Samsung and LG) to have the next best thing.

Besides, look how long it took Panasonic to get a >50" plasma to market. We all know damn well they could have done it around the same time as others released 6x" models, but nooo!

I'm not sure I promised 'em this year. I can tell you that the biggest plasma vendors are, indeed, working towards making this real as soon as possible. Two of them have demoed larger units using the 1920 x 1080 process and are scaling it down for use in more common sizes. ETA for these units is always questionable due to the vendors.

The third vendor nearly already shipped a 1920 x 1080 by took advantage of their incredible efficiency at 1366 x 768 instead. They are likely to make announcements before year end and / or at CES.

The fourth and fifth majors, I am less sure about.

Seems to me that with 480/720 pdp prices falling and profit margins diminishing, 1080p will be an opportunity to regain the high margins on pdps the industry was used to, at least for a while. And that is a huge incentive. Its all good.

So, a demo does not a product make unless it's plasma?

A demo is closer to a product when you are showcasing a new model with an upgrade in existing technology, rather than a complete new technology. It's all a matter of how much skepticism you want to apply to the marketting hype surrounding the demo, not necessarily the tech itself.

"So, a demo does not a product make unless it's plasma?"

Nonsense. And you know full well that isn't what I said.

To be clear, there is a production line making 1920 x 1080 plasmas at LG. Today. The Samsung demos shown to date are done in their existing production facilities on sample lines.

The SED stuff is as close to hand built as you get. And so far, they haven't even shown the size panel they are allegedly going to be producing.

Parallel? Hardly.